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Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 13:37
by jamesmcdonnell
Wee Tommy wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 05:59
skanksta wrote: 16 Dec 2019, 19:18 F=ma

But if a newton studied boxing he’d probably add..

F=((ma)-d)(Ac + did you see it coming)-C

Force = (mass x acceleration) minus deceleration(the speed the struck fighter is moving away when rolling with the punch) multiplied by Accuracy(point of chin, liver etc) times “were they expecting it” - C (chin)

Chin would probably need some clever dick to calculate a new formula - it’s a much bigger mystery than power.
:salut:
Aye smatface, thats what I'm saying.

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 14:05
by Terminator666
I remember Nunn v Kalambay - nailed on points decision as most of their fights went the distances. A classic chess match- Nunn in the first round with a perfectly timed left hook

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 15:23
by Coco
Speed kills
The punches you don't see hurt you

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 15:48
by polecateddy
It's something akin to throwing a javelin. It's either already in you to do it well, or just forget about it. All the training in the world is worth maybe a 10% improvement.

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 15:55
by Wee Tommy
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 13:37
Wee Tommy wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 05:59

:salut:
Aye smatface, thats what I'm saying.

Excuse me?

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 15:57
by jamesmcdonnell
Wee Tommy wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 15:55
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 13:37
Aye smatface, thats what I'm saying.

Excuse me?
Not you, skanksta.

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 15:58
by Wee Tommy
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 15:57
Wee Tommy wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 15:55


Excuse me?
Not you, skanksta.
Ok

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 16:23
by jamesmcdonnell
Coco wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 15:23 Speed kills
The punches you don't see hurt you
Yes, that's the other big factor,

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 16:35
by margaret thatcher
Shouldn't Floyd be a KTFO'er then

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 17:03
by Coco
margaret thatcher wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 16:35 Shouldn't Floyd be a KTFO'er then
If he wanted to be

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 17 Dec 2019, 17:06
by margaret thatcher
He already hits guys with speed and timing

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 18 Dec 2019, 07:12
by Delta Jay
skanksta wrote: 16 Dec 2019, 19:18 F=ma

But if a newton studied boxing he’d probably add..

F=((ma)-d)(Ac + did you see it coming)-C

Force = (mass x acceleration) minus deceleration(the speed the struck fighter is moving away when rolling with the punch) multiplied by Accuracy(point of chin, liver etc) times “were they expecting it” - C (chin)

Chin would probably need some clever dick to calculate a new formula - it’s a much bigger mystery than power.
And remember deceleration can be a negative value, or just acceleration, when a fighter moves into a punch.

I’m making a mess of GCSE Physics here but I think impact is momentum change. Momentum is mass by speed. Speed is velocity in a certain direction(?).

The speed is how fast the punch travels and if it travels directly towards the target (not a glancing blow)

Mass isn’t just the size of the fighter, good technique will allow you to put more of your total weight behind the punch.

If you see a punch you’ll move away from it, changing the momentum.

So if a heavy object moves quickly and directly towards another heavy object moving quickly and directly in the opposite direction, that’s the biggest impact. Like two big trucks in a head-on collision

Is that right?

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 18 Dec 2019, 08:33
by skanksta
Delta Jay wrote: 18 Dec 2019, 07:12
skanksta wrote: 16 Dec 2019, 19:18 F=ma

But if a newton studied boxing he’d probably add..

F=((ma)-d)(Ac + did you see it coming)-C

Force = (mass x acceleration) minus deceleration(the speed the struck fighter is moving away when rolling with the punch) multiplied by Accuracy(point of chin, liver etc) times “were they expecting it” - C (chin)

Chin would probably need some clever dick to calculate a new formula - it’s a much bigger mystery than power.
And remember deceleration can be a negative value, or just acceleration, when a fighter moves into a punch.

I’m making a mess of GCSE Physics here but I think impact is momentum change. Momentum is mass by speed. Speed is velocity in a certain direction(?).

The speed is how fast the punch travels and if it travels directly towards the target (not a glancing blow)

Mass isn’t just the size of the fighter, good technique will allow you to put more of your total weight behind the punch.

If you see a punch you’ll move away from it, changing the momentum.

So if a heavy object moves quickly and directly towards another heavy object moving quickly and directly in the opposite direction, that’s the biggest impact. Like two big trucks in a head-on collision

Is that right?
Yes.
Deceleration could be added acceleration and increase the total power - and often does. The ‘glancing blow’ thing should be taken care of by the Ac = for accuracy.

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 18 Dec 2019, 08:34
by skanksta
margaret thatcher wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 16:35 Shouldn't Floyd be a KTFO'er then
Well look what he did when Vicious Victor wasn’t looking ! :box: :lol:

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 18 Dec 2019, 09:52
by Delta Jay
skanksta wrote: 18 Dec 2019, 08:33
Delta Jay wrote: 18 Dec 2019, 07:12

And remember deceleration can be a negative value, or just acceleration, when a fighter moves into a punch.

I’m making a mess of GCSE Physics here but I think impact is momentum change. Momentum is mass by speed. Speed is velocity in a certain direction(?).

The speed is how fast the punch travels and if it travels directly towards the target (not a glancing blow)

Mass isn’t just the size of the fighter, good technique will allow you to put more of your total weight behind the punch.

If you see a punch you’ll move away from it, changing the momentum.

So if a heavy object moves quickly and directly towards another heavy object moving quickly and directly in the opposite direction, that’s the biggest impact. Like two big trucks in a head-on collision

Is that right?
Yes.
Deceleration could be added acceleration and increase the total power - and often does. The ‘glancing blow’ thing should be taken care of by the Ac = for accuracy.
So we’re both geniuses. Good

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 18 Dec 2019, 16:53
by Grilling Machine
polecateddy wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 15:48It's something akin to throwing a javelin. It's either already in you to do it well, or just forget about it. All the training in the world is worth maybe a 10% improvement.
Zelezny weighing 190 backs this up. Whereas Capes was 300+ in the shot and wouldn't have been anywhere close.

Re: Speed = Power?

Posted: 18 Dec 2019, 17:32
by skanksta
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 13:37
Wee Tommy wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 05:59

:salut:
Aye smatface, thats what I'm saying.
:D