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rhino222 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:09

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:05 If you were sat at home and someone knocked on your door with say 5 million quid, and said you can take that or i might come back in a couple of weeks with 12 million, or you may never hear from me again. What would you do?

take the 5m today........all day long

short term loss for long term gain, beat canello and then you hold the big bargaining chips. if you dont think you can beat him then accept the offer anyway.

i have a feeling Hearn is thinking of matchrooms bank account more than his fighters. if the fights now dont happen...it is Hearns fault. Canello is the main player.

ALI wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:36

rhino222 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:09

take the 5m today........all day long

short term loss for long term gain, beat canello and then you hold the big bargaining chips. if you dont think you can beat him then accept the offer anyway.

i have a feeling Hearn is thinking of matchrooms bank account more than his fighters. if the fights now dont happen...it is Hearns fault. Canello is the main player.

Such is the problem with getting fights made in boxing. To many cooks spoil the broth. To many parties trying to milk the game.

Coco wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 11:12 Of course you want the Max possible and they want at least the 12 but then on the other hand where are they going to find another fight to pay them 5 or even 1!

3132DW wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 11:15

Coco wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 11:12 Of course you want the Max possible and they want at least the 12 but then on the other hand where are they going to find another fight to pay them 5 or even 1!

Danny Jacobs got $7m - can’t blame them for saying we deserve similar - both undefeated champions and belt holders.

3132DW wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 10:53

ALI wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:36

Such is the problem with getting fights made in boxing. To many cooks spoil the broth. To many parties trying to milk the game.

Hearn can’t really lose whoever is picked as he’ll get % of the purse and not be putting up anything so he’s going to try best deal for both his fighters.

He knows what Jacobs got - so if they offered good bit less why would he accept it ?

rhino222 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:09

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:05 If you were sat at home and someone knocked on your door with say 5 million quid, and said you can take that or i might come back in a couple of weeks with 12 million, or you may never hear from me again. What would you do?

take the 5m today........all day long

short term loss for long term gain, beat canello and then you hold the big bargaining chips. if you dont think you can beat him then accept the offer anyway.

i have a feeling Hearn is thinking of matchrooms bank account more than his fighters. if the fights now dont happen...it is Hearns fault. Canello is the main player.

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 12:38

rhino222 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:09

take the 5m today........all day long

short term loss for long term gain, beat canello and then you hold the big bargaining chips. if you dont think you can beat him then accept the offer anyway.

i have a feeling Hearn is thinking of matchrooms bank account more than his fighters. if the fights now dont happen...it is Hearns fault. Canello is the main player.

I don't know how it all works, would Hearn speak to the boxer with the offer, or would he turn it down without consulting with the boxer.

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 12:38

rhino222 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:09

take the 5m today........all day long

short term loss for long term gain, beat canello and then you hold the big bargaining chips. if you dont think you can beat him then accept the offer anyway.

i have a feeling Hearn is thinking of matchrooms bank account more than his fighters. if the fights now dont happen...it is Hearns fault. Canello is the main player.

I don't know how it all works, would Hearn speak to the boxer with the offer, or would he turn it down without consulting with the boxer.

rd350lc wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 15:09 Be great if both of them held out for more and Ryder got the shot put up a great performance and got paid well , then both Saunders and Smith lost just after and never got the chance ,
5 mil is quite a substantial amount of money to most people.

ALI wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 15:48

rd350lc wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 15:09 Be great if both of them held out for more and Ryder got the shot put up a great performance and got paid well , then both Saunders and Smith lost just after and never got the chance ,
5 mil is quite a substantial amount of money to most people.

I hear you man. Again, it just goes to show what a sad state if affairs our sport is in when us fans are wishing for this type of scenario. If it happens, be sure that nobody will learn any lessons from it, far from it. The wheel will just keep on turning, same sh*t different day.

rhino222 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:09

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:05 If you were sat at home and someone knocked on your door with say 5 million quid, and said you can take that or i might come back in a couple of weeks with 12 million, or you may never hear from me again. What would you do?

take the 5m today........all day long

short term loss for long term gain, beat canello and then you hold the big bargaining chips. if you dont think you can beat him then accept the offer anyway.

i have a feeling Hearn is thinking of matchrooms bank account more than his fighters. if the fights now dont happen...it is Hearns fault. Canello is the main player.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 16:37

rhino222 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 07:09

take the 5m today........all day long

short term loss for long term gain, beat canello and then you hold the big bargaining chips. if you dont think you can beat him then accept the offer anyway.

i have a feeling Hearn is thinking of matchrooms bank account more than his fighters. if the fights now dont happen...it is Hearns fault. Canello is the main player.

Fair points. On the other hand, we've seen Canelo opponents make way way more by not accepting the first offer. Kov went from like 5m to 12m or something. Obviouslyy he as the fighter benefits hugely there too, not just the promoter.

ALI wrote: ↑17 Feb 2020, 13:52 https://youtu.be/fH6gZDEuSAc

At 2.30s Oscar talks about offers made to Saunders and Smith. He said they have until today to accept, or he moves on, with 4 other names in the mix.

ALI wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 17:01

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2020, 16:37

Fair points. On the other hand, we've seen Canelo opponents make way way more by not accepting the first offer. Kov went from like 5m to 12m or something. Obviouslyy he as the fighter benefits hugely there too, not just the promoter.

Kov went from 5 mil to 12 mil because Canelo himself was desperate for the fight. He had his eye on the prize, he wanted to jump up two weight divisions and KO a feared champion. It was a history making fight that he himself saught out. Its seldom Canelo chases a fight in that way. I think thats why Kovalev got the bumber payday, Canelo told Oskar to go and get it done at any cost.

I dont think Canelo has won a belt at super middle yet, so with both Saunders and Smith holding titles at the weight, it certainly raises their status in the Canelo sweepstakes, but they would be foolish to get overly carried away. Hearn is shrewd, so hopefully he knows what he is doing here. Personally, my feeling is if they get a half decent offer for Canelo they should just grab it. If they win there is lots of glory and they will be in very high demand after.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑17 Feb 2020, 13:34 I'm hearing bjs has the fight.

stevec@france wrote: ↑17 Feb 2020, 15:39 easier fight for canelo than it would against callum smith

wonder where this leaves smith tho

rd350lc wrote: ↑17 Feb 2020, 15:54

stevec@france wrote: ↑17 Feb 2020, 15:39 easier fight for canelo than it would against callum smith

wonder where this leaves smith tho

Not so sure after seeing Smith lose to Ryder .

stevec@france wrote: ↑17 Feb 2020, 15:59

rd350lc wrote: ↑17 Feb 2020, 15:54

Not so sure after seeing Smith lose to Ryder .

The scores were 117-111, 116-112, 116-112 all in favour of Smith, who retained his world titles ,

" and still "

however smith was shite that night and ryder fought well in a style that is awful for a tall boxer and he should avoid the rematch !

rd350lc wrote: ↑17 Feb 2020, 16:26

stevec@france wrote: ↑17 Feb 2020, 15:59

The scores were 117-111, 116-112, 116-112 all in favour of Smith, who retained his world titles ,

" and still "

however smith was shite that night and ryder fought well in a style that is awful for a tall boxer and he should avoid the rematch !

Glad you added the last sentence as we all know who won on the night .