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Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:40

3132DW wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:30

Depends on the depth of card - bigger budget will give 1 top quality card per month.

That’s problem with Sky right now - Sat fight night doesn’t have enough to pay fighters to get food fights now without PPV.

I love dazn, but they've lost a sensational amount of money here. Hundreds of millions that they'll never recoup on boxing. Sorry to see happen over there what happened here many years ago. Fighters are way overpaid.

Yeah but they did that initially until they built the client bases in Japan/Germany.

There revenue in Last Quarter was around 300m.

They say their content costs 1.5 billion roughly - so they ain’t at break even but if they have climbed to 300m in that space of time they must be doing OK and heading in right direction.

They guys have deep pockets to sustain it until it works.

3132DW wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:44

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:40

I love dazn, but they've lost a sensational amount of money here. Hundreds of millions that they'll never recoup on boxing. Sorry to see happen over there what happened here many years ago. Fighters are way overpaid.

Yeah but they did that initially until they built the client bases in Japan/Germany.

There revenue in Last Quarter was around 300m.

They say their content costs 1.5 billion roughly - so they ain’t at break even but if they have climbed to 300m in that space of time they must be doing OK and heading in right direction.

They guys have deep pockets to sustain it until it works.

That will never work here. Boxing is an afterthought in America. They need a major sport to cover it.

Though putting the celebrity fights on is smart. I bet they get more new subscribers from that than they do canelo.

3132DW wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:28

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:12

Yep just like net flix, can’t wait fiver a months, hope those robbing pudenda at sky die on their arses

Hearn himself actually said the future further down the line would be streaming - and that people couldn’t afford to keep spending £100-£150 month on TV and eventually that model would take over.

If DAZN/Top Rank and others offered same type of package at $150 for year - you couldn’t hesitate to buy for the content as Boxing Fan.

Yup. Sky aren’t stupid though, they know better than anyone that the future is streaming. They’re just making hay while the sun shines now and fleecing customers for as much as they can get away with. Eventually they’ll just roll Sky and Now TV together and move towards streaming only.

Clever from dazn to launch with Canelo bjs because that’s probably worth the £5 alone for the month. However, this is bad short term because we are getting no extra content to what we have been getting on sky but it’s £5 more. Hearn will promote on dazn in uk when sky runs out and then dazn will be good because we will have all decent boxing content in one place. This year dazn should try to get shows in the uk other than match room USA, for example MTK fight nights and other American shows.

jameswilson wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 14:00

Floyd the snake wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 13:55 AJ won't be here in a few years , accident waiting to happen now .

Look back at this forum a few years ago. People were saying the same thing. He’s still here and he’s still with Matchroom.

The grounds are a bit stronger now through aren’t they? He’s still a big draw but one that got battered by a bit of a butterball - albeit a reasonably talented one

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:46

3132DW wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:44

Yeah but they did that initially until they built the client bases in Japan/Germany.

There revenue in Last Quarter was around 300m.

They say their content costs 1.5 billion roughly - so they ain’t at break even but if they have climbed to 300m in that space of time they must be doing OK and heading in right direction.

They guys have deep pockets to sustain it until it works.

That will never work here. Boxing is an afterthought in America. They need a major sport to cover it.

They have Serie A/Bundesliga/ Champ league in Germany....big Sports in Japan - they are big players and will get something major eventually.

3132DW wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 18:35

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:46

That will never work here. Boxing is an afterthought in America. They need a major sport to cover it.

They have Serie A/Bundesliga/ Champ league in Germany....big Sports in Japan - they are big players and will get something major eventually.

They need too or they'll lose a billion dollars in short order. If they haven't already.

but this is the Netflix model is it not? They have massive debts (or did have) - going into the Billions.

BT Sport have

Bundesliga
Seria A
Ligue 1
MotoGP
Rugby Union
Big Bash

So they should be alright when DAZN drop in.

Without UK boxing (ringfenced on Sky), how does this work ? It's just another B0xnat1on. Not enough mainstream interest in US boxing to sustain.

Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 08:13 Without UK boxing (ringfenced on Sky), how does this work ? It's just another B0xnat1on. Not enough mainstream interest in US boxing to sustain.

I guess this could be seen as a 'soft launch' to test the market and get any teething problems out of the way ahead of their attack on the major sports rights, including AJ when his contract is up for renewal in 18 months or so.

Do we then see the likes of Adam Smith and Ed Robinson jumping ship to DAZN or do they stay loyal to Sky and stick with them when their boxing output will be modest in comparison to now?

Would love to see Sky Boxing hit hard with this. Their content on their regular sports channels has been shocking! Their PPVs are worse! Chisora/Usyk and Whyte/Pov as PPVs are a total and utter piss take and a slap in the face to Sky Sports subscribers. Their commentary/punditry is absolute dog sh1t! I can't stand Hearn but if he fukked Sky over here i'd give him a pass.

DAZN needs to sign a UK promoter and give them 10-12 shows a year. Que Kelly Maloney comeback

dbf wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 08:47

Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 08:13 Without UK boxing (ringfenced on Sky), how does this work ? It's just another B0xnat1on. Not enough mainstream interest in US boxing to sustain.

I guess this could be seen as a 'soft launch' to test the market and get any teething problems out of the way ahead of their attack on the major sports rights, including AJ when his contract is up for renewal in 18 months or so.

Do we then see the likes of Adam Smith and Ed Robinson jumping ship to DAZN or do they stay loyal to Sky and stick with them when their boxing output will be modest in comparison to now?

Adam Smith just got new role as Commercial Boss - Barney Francis also got promoted.

Glass Joe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 09:35 DAZN needs to sign a UK promoter and give them 10-12 shows a year. Que Kelly Maloney comeback

Wonder how many folk have entered his weird man cuunt

IRLangmaid25 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 08:03 BT Sport have

Bundesliga
Seria A
Ligue 1
MotoGP
Rugby Union
Big Bash

So they should be alright when DAZN drop in.

Serie A is already away to Premier.

Bundesliga/Ligue 1 up for renewal now.

Australian UK rights are up this year as well and Sky took IPL off them in 3 year deal as well.

Scottish Football finishes at end of season.

BT Champ League aside have not done that well lately - UFC back by default.

If it can get a significant number of Premier League packages it will have a chance.

If not, it wont.

Wonder how well it did on Amazon over the Xmas period, they got an insane amount of money/power so can easily win future rights.

3132DW wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 09:41

dbf wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 08:47

I guess this could be seen as a 'soft launch' to test the market and get any teething problems out of the way ahead of their attack on the major sports rights, including AJ when his contract is up for renewal in 18 months or so.

Do we then see the likes of Adam Smith and Ed Robinson jumping ship to DAZN or do they stay loyal to Sky and stick with them when their boxing output will be modest in comparison to now?

Adam Smith just got new role as Commercial Boss - Barney Francis also got promoted.

Francis's promotion means he is no longer head of sports -therefore he's not involved with Boxing as he was.

Smith's move to a commercial role is telling - apparently he'll still be doing comms aswell for a bit but the striking thing to me is he will be responsible for negotiating contracts - going to be tough for him to keep AJ if Eddie and DAZN offer stupid money when his contract is up,

3132DW wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 09:46

IRLangmaid25 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 08:03 BT Sport have

Bundesliga
Seria A
Ligue 1
MotoGP
Rugby Union
Big Bash

So they should be alright when DAZN drop in.

Serie A is already away to Premier.

Bundesliga/Ligue 1 up for renewal now.

Australian UK rights are up this year as well and Sky took IPL off them in 3 year deal as well.

Scottish Football finishes at end of season.

BT Champ League aside have not done that well lately - UFC back by default.

And they have WWE now

IRLangmaid25 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 11:14

3132DW wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 09:46

Serie A is already away to Premier.

Bundesliga/Ligue 1 up for renewal now.

Australian UK rights are up this year as well and Sky took IPL off them in 3 year deal as well.

Scottish Football finishes at end of season.

BT Champ League aside have not done that well lately - UFC back by default.

And they have WWE now

WWE and UFC better events all end up on PPV - that’s another 8-10 buys if you like both.

Telling thing was Sky letting it go after 30 years - they won’t overpay except (EPL) - definately will be a lot of changes over coming years.

dbf wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 10:31

3132DW wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 09:41

Adam Smith just got new role as Commercial Boss - Barney Francis also got promoted.

Francis's promotion means he is no longer head of sports -therefore he's not involved with Boxing as he was.

Smith's move to a commercial role is telling - apparently he'll still be doing comms aswell for a bit but the striking thing to me is he will be responsible for negotiating contracts - going to be tough for him to keep AJ if Eddie and DAZN offer stupid money when his contract is up,

Would anyone other than SKY employ Adam Smith???

Obviously his commentary is awful, does he do anything of value behind the scenes?

Eddie didn’t give much away today - not expecting DAZN shows this year.

Have a meeting with Sky to discuss Intl content on Thurs (presuming they have now lost Matchroom US) as DAZN will keep that for their App.

Adam Smith was similar - strong relationship etc....

Glass Joe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 09:35 DAZN needs to sign a UK promoter and give them 10-12 shows a year. Que Kelly Maloney comeback

Please tell me your joking?....right?