Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 15:43
That is not bad for a guy that lost for the first time in his 37th fight.
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Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 15:54
Thanks for looking that up. I counted roughly 104 rds in total, so roughly he lost a third of those. That's really good, but not as good as I'd thought.
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 16:52
I was sorta right then, although if you add in the years 90 and '91 which I was it'd easily be more like 50 or 55 rounds.
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 17:00
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 21:32
Now I'm genuinely perplexed. Let me preface this by noting that while I acknowledge Tyson as an all-time great, I stopped rooting for him after the Jesse Ferguson fight. I still don't include him in my Top-10.
With that in mind, looking at his record on BoxRec for '86-'89 doesn't seem to show him losing 29 official rounds. In fact, I think it comes to only 14.
Gilgamesh was right about Tillis. He got four rounds. After that Green, Thomas and Tucker each earned two. Ribalta, Smith and Holmes get one apiece. Tubbs got the nod from one judge, with another calling their only completed round a draw. Just for the sake of argument, score it against Tyson.
I spent about ten minutes skimming the record. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the parameters. Maybe we're talking about every single time a judge counted a round against Tyson, even if the other two judges disagreed. However, that doesn't seem like it would be an official lost round. As an aside, I don't think the numbers change if you include 1985. I don't think he lost any rounds that year.
In any event, losing only 29 would be astounding enough, but what I'm seeing is even more impressive.
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 21:59
Why'd you stop rooting for him after the Jesse Ferguson fight?bwu wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 21:32Now I'm genuinely perplexed. Let me preface this by noting that while I acknowledge Tyson as an all-time great, I stopped rooting for him after the Jesse Ferguson fight. I still don't include him in my Top-10.
With that in mind, looking at his record on BoxRec for '86-'89 doesn't seem to show him losing 29 official rounds. In fact, I think it comes to only 14.
Gilgamesh was right about Tillis. He got four rounds. After that Green, Thomas and Tucker each earned two. Ribalta, Smith and Holmes get one apiece. Tubbs got the nod from one judge, with another calling their only completed round a draw. Just for the sake of argument, score it against Tyson.
I spent about ten minutes skimming the record. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the parameters. Maybe we're talking about every single time a judge counted a round against Tyson, even if the other two judges disagreed. However, that doesn't seem like it would be an official lost round. As an aside, I don't think the numbers change if you include 1985. I don't think he lost any rounds that year.
In any event, losing only 29 would be astounding enough, but what I'm seeing is even more impressive.
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 22:08
Well, if one really paid attention to the news at that time, you could find legitimate reports about the out-of-ring behavior and it wasn't good. I didn't like what I was hearing.
Second, and this is me being a contrarian, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon so I wanted off. There weren't that many hardcore boxing fans where I lived, so when the mainstream started noticing Tyson, everybody acted like they were experts. I, being a snotty little teenage prick, decided that I wasn't going to go along with the Johnny Come Latelys.
Finally, I thought the Ferguson ending was ridiculous. Granted, the fight needed to be stopped. But it should've been by disqualification (and I think the announcers even called it such when the fight was first ended). It was obvious that they didn't want Mike's knockout streak to end and they bent backward to call it a TKO. That just didn't set right with me.
Ironically, the streak was over two fights and less than three months later anyway.
Second, and this is me being a contrarian, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon so I wanted off. There weren't that many hardcore boxing fans where I lived, so when the mainstream started noticing Tyson, everybody acted like they were experts. I, being a snotty little teenage prick, decided that I wasn't going to go along with the Johnny Come Latelys.
Finally, I thought the Ferguson ending was ridiculous. Granted, the fight needed to be stopped. But it should've been by disqualification (and I think the announcers even called it such when the fight was first ended). It was obvious that they didn't want Mike's knockout streak to end and they bent backward to call it a TKO. That just didn't set right with me.
Ironically, the streak was over two fights and less than three months later anyway.
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 23:25
It's from all 3 judges. He lost 10 against Tillis.bwu wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 21:32Now I'm genuinely perplexed. Let me preface this by noting that while I acknowledge Tyson as an all-time great, I stopped rooting for him after the Jesse Ferguson fight. I still don't include him in my Top-10.
With that in mind, looking at his record on BoxRec for '86-'89 doesn't seem to show him losing 29 official rounds. In fact, I think it comes to only 14.
Gilgamesh was right about Tillis. He got four rounds. After that Green, Thomas and Tucker each earned two. Ribalta, Smith and Holmes get one apiece. Tubbs got the nod from one judge, with another calling their only completed round a draw. Just for the sake of argument, score it against Tyson.
I spent about ten minutes skimming the record. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the parameters. Maybe we're talking about every single time a judge counted a round against Tyson, even if the other two judges disagreed. However, that doesn't seem like it would be an official lost round. As an aside, I don't think the numbers change if you include 1985. I don't think he lost any rounds that year.
In any event, losing only 29 would be astounding enough, but what I'm seeing is even more impressive.
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 22 Jun 2020, 22:23
I scored the Tucker fight 116-112 so to me he lost 4 there.....
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 24 Jun 2020, 08:02
He lost a load of rounds to Douglas. And yes, that was his prime. He was only 24-25. It was not his peak but prime.
Prime and peak are two different things.
Prime and peak are two different things.
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 25 Jun 2020, 07:45
To be fair, that is a little deceiving then. He didn't really lose 10 rounds in the Tillis fight or 29 during the 1985-1989 time period.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 23:25It's from all 3 judges. He lost 10 against Tillis.bwu wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 21:32
Now I'm genuinely perplexed. Let me preface this by noting that while I acknowledge Tyson as an all-time great, I stopped rooting for him after the Jesse Ferguson fight. I still don't include him in my Top-10.
With that in mind, looking at his record on BoxRec for '86-'89 doesn't seem to show him losing 29 official rounds. In fact, I think it comes to only 14.
Gilgamesh was right about Tillis. He got four rounds. After that Green, Thomas and Tucker each earned two. Ribalta, Smith and Holmes get one apiece. Tubbs got the nod from one judge, with another calling their only completed round a draw. Just for the sake of argument, score it against Tyson.
I spent about ten minutes skimming the record. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the parameters. Maybe we're talking about every single time a judge counted a round against Tyson, even if the other two judges disagreed. However, that doesn't seem like it would be an official lost round. As an aside, I don't think the numbers change if you include 1985. I don't think he lost any rounds that year.
In any event, losing only 29 would be astounding enough, but what I'm seeing is even more impressive.
Re: Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"
Posted: 25 Jun 2020, 13:55
I just answered a question.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 07:45To be fair, that is a little deceiving then. He didn't really lose 10 rounds in the Tillis fight or 29 during the 1985-1989 time period.