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world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:44

Cent0089 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:26

world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:21

That's all I'm saying that it is a debatable point. I'm Alcine( though faded, Vanes) are couple of more quality wins. Do you believe Harrison beat Charlo the first fight. Yes I know you might say it was close. Simply who you thought won that first fight?

I dont think he lost to Harrison. But IMO he lost to Martyrosian. And IMO Beterbiev is higher on P4P list than Charlo, despite he has some really impressive wins

Why do you consider Beterbiev higher? Is there anything other than the Gzyvodzk win?

Cent0089 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 17:08

world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:44

Cent0089 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:26

I dont think he lost to Harrison. But IMO he lost to Martyrosian. And IMO Beterbiev is higher on P4P list than Charlo, despite he has some really impressive wins

Why do you consider Beterbiev higher? Is there anything other than the Gzyvodzk win?

That savage beating he delivered to Kalajdzic is also respectable. Kalajdzic was practicaly unbeaten for everybody who saw Browne fight. You can also rate Koelling and Callum Johnson somewhere on Tony Harrison and Erickson Lubin level which are Charlo best wins. On the other side, Charlo is younger and he just take another belts to the colection from decent oponent. Meantime, Beterbiev 35 years old, probably finish his prime years with idiotic fights with Adam Deines and Meng Fanlong LOL.

world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 20:24

Cent0089 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 17:08

world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 16:44

Why do you consider Beterbiev higher? Is there anything other than the Gzyvodzk win?

That savage beating he delivered to Kalajdzic is also respectable. Kalajdzic was practicaly unbeaten for everybody who saw Browne fight. You can also rate Koelling and Callum Johnson somewhere on Tony Harrison and Erickson Lubin level which are Charlo best wins. On the other side, Charlo is younger and he just take another belts to the colection from decent oponent. Meantime, Beterbiev 35 years old, probably finish his prime years with idiotic fights with Adam Deines and Meng Fanlong LOL.

I concede Kalajdzic but Callum Johnson is on Harrison level based on what?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 02:52 your opinion is not acceptable!! jermell rates higher

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 01:50

world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 20:24

Cent0089 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 17:08

That savage beating he delivered to Kalajdzic is also respectable. Kalajdzic was practicaly unbeaten for everybody who saw Browne fight. You can also rate Koelling and Callum Johnson somewhere on Tony Harrison and Erickson Lubin level which are Charlo best wins. On the other side, Charlo is younger and he just take another belts to the colection from decent oponent. Meantime, Beterbiev 35 years old, probably finish his prime years with idiotic fights with Adam Deines and Meng Fanlong LOL.

I concede Kalajdzic but Callum Johnson is on Harrison level based on what?

My opinion

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 08:13

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 01:50

world ranked wrote: ↑28 Sep 2020, 20:24

I concede Kalajdzic but Callum Johnson is on Harrison level based on what?

My opinion

Oh not on actually what he did in the ring while Harrison became a world champ. Callum Johnson beat nobody got it. At least have some type of tangible thought to back up your opinion. A fact is Harrison was a world champ and Callum Johnson was not and beat nobody that higher than Brittish level.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 11:44

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 08:13

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 01:50

My opinion

Oh not on actually what he did in the ring while Harrison became a world champ. Callum Johnson beat nobody got it. At least have some type of tangible thought to back up your opinion. A fact is Harrison was a world champ and Callum Johnson was not and beat nobody that higher than Brittish level.

Well Harrison have a bit better resume than Johnson, but Johnson was undefeated, while harrison had 2 stoppage losses prior Charlo fight.

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 12:10

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 11:44

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 08:13

Oh not on actually what he did in the ring while Harrison became a world champ. Callum Johnson beat nobody got it. At least have some type of tangible thought to back up your opinion. A fact is Harrison was a world champ and Callum Johnson was not and beat nobody that higher than Brittish level.

Well Harrison have a bit better resume than Johnson, but Johnson was undefeated, while harrison had 2 stoppage losses prior Charlo fight.

Who he lost to matters and he you beat matter. Just because you undefeated means nothing he you didn't beat anyone. I never knew a world champ with two knockout loses and good wins is worse than an fighter who hasn't done anything.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:02

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 12:10

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 11:44

Well Harrison have a bit better resume than Johnson, but Johnson was undefeated, while harrison had 2 stoppage losses prior Charlo fight.

Who he lost to matters and he you beat matter. Just because you undefeated means nothing he you didn't beat anyone. I never knew a world champ with two knockout loses and good wins is worse than an fighter who hasn't done anything.

I did not say Harrison is worse than Johnson. Ive said they are on the same level. Anyway, all i wrote is my opinion, please respect that just as i respect yours

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:48 lol sure, you think it's very debatable world my man

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:52 i dunno, never really thought about it

do you think charlo is for sure p4p above bert, or is it debatable like you said earlier? cause you seem really fired up about proving otherwise

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:52 i dunno, never really thought about it

do you think charlo is for sure p4p above bert, or is it debatable like you said earlier? cause you seem really fired up about proving otherwise

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:56

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:52 i dunno, never really thought about it

do you think charlo is for sure p4p above bert, or is it debatable like you said earlier? cause you seem really fired up about proving otherwise

Depth of resume has to account for something but now I seem more disappointed that people think a guy former champ who has a better resume is the same as guy who done nothing above domestic level the same. I understand people have opinions I just hoping some would come with some reason behind it other than just saying its my opinion.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:00 bert is berterbiev....what is his argument over charlo? is it a rational argument?

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:50

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:48 lol sure, you think it's very debatable world my man

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:20

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:50

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:48 lol sure, you think it's very debatable world my man

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

Because Harrison also did not beat anybody better that this "british level" . Other than close first fight with Charlo (which he lost IMO) his best wins are Ishe Smith and Tyrone Brunson. They are equivalents for Frank Buglioni and Sean Monaghan.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:20

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:50

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:48 lol sure, you think it's very debatable world my man

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

Because Harrison also did not beat anybody better that this "british level" . Other than close first fight with Charlo (which he lost IMO) his best wins are Ishe Smith and Tyrone Brunson. They are equivalents for Frank Buglioni and Sean Monaghan.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:24

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:20

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:50

Do you think Callum Johnson is same level as Harrison and if so why?

Because Harrison also did not beat anybody better that this "british level" . Other than close first fight with Charlo (which he lost IMO) his best wins are Ishe Smith and Tyrone Brunson. They are equivalents for Frank Buglioni and Sean Monaghan.

Nah. I'd put Ishe Smith over either one of those guys, and that's saying something because I can't stand Ishe Smith and for quite a while considered him one of my most hated boxers.