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Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 09:02
by Perseus
I hope Charr reads this thread and starts calling out Canelo.
Canelo vs Charr is the fight the people want
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 11:34
by Tevfik1907
No. Just because he beat an 37 years old light-heavyweight Kovalev that doesn't mean he has a chance against a heavyweight, or even a cruiserweight.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 11:54
by Bard of Boxrec
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:34
No. Just because he beat an 37 years old light-heavyweight Kovalev that doesn't mean he has a chance against a heavyweight, or even a cruiserweight.
I would pick him over a prime Charr, who is garbage. I’d also pick him against a Malik Scott type. Chisora would be very interesting, but I’d pick Canelo. The likes of Parker and Usyk would probably be a bridge too far.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:00
by gilgamesh
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:34
No. Just because he beat an 37 years old light-heavyweight Kovalev that doesn't mean he has a chance against a heavyweight, or even a cruiserweight.
He has more than a chance against Charr. He'd beat him in one sided fashion.
Size alone doesn't make up for the fact that somebody is better than you in every conceivable way.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:01
by gilgamesh
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:54
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:34
No. Just because he beat an 37 years old light-heavyweight Kovalev that doesn't mean he has a chance against a heavyweight, or even a cruiserweight.
I would pick him over a prime Charr, who is garbage. I’d also pick him against a Malik Scott type. Chisora would be very interesting, but I’d pick Canelo. The likes of Parker and Usyk would probably be a bridge too far.
Several Heavyweights would be a bridge too far. Hell a few Light Heavyweights would be too.
Charr ain't sh*t though. Canelo would mop the floor with him.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:04
by leftrightleft
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:54
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:34
No. Just because he beat an 37 years old light-heavyweight Kovalev that doesn't mean he has a chance against a heavyweight, or even a cruiserweight.
I would pick him over a prime Charr, who is garbage. I’d also pick him against a
Malik Scott type.
Chisora would be very interesting, but I’d pick Canelo. The likes of Parker and Usyk would probably be a bridge too far.
wow LOL
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:12
by Bard of Boxrec
leftrightleft wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:04
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:54
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:34
No. Just because he beat an 37 years old light-heavyweight Kovalev that doesn't mean he has a chance against a heavyweight, or even a cruiserweight.
I would pick him over a prime Charr, who is garbage. I’d also pick him against a
Malik Scott type.
Chisora would be very interesting, but I’d pick Canelo. The likes of Parker and Usyk would probably be a bridge too far.
wow LOL
I mention Scott because he’s the sort of heavyweight who doesn’t really impose his size that much and isn’t a hard puncher.
Chisora would be a lot tougher for Canelo because he has a come forward style that will make canelo feel the extra weight he’s up against, but that said Canelo could beat him for sure.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:19
by Tevfik1907
gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:00
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:34
No. Just because he beat an 37 years old light-heavyweight Kovalev that doesn't mean he has a chance against a heavyweight, or even a cruiserweight.
He has more than a chance against Charr. He'd beat him in one sided fashion.
Size alone doesn't make up for the fact that somebody is better than you in every conceivable way.
If only Charr fights like he doesn't know he has a tremendous weight advantage against Canelo, and if he tries to box with Canelo, instead of using his big weight to overpower him by tiring him out.
Canelo said his ideal weight is 160 lbs, even light-heavy 174 lbs was exception for him.
Charr is what? 230 lbs or 240 lbs at heavyweight?
How much weight can Canelo get for heavyweight fight maximum, 190 lbs if we are generous? You realize there 40 lbs difference will be when they fight at heavyweight right?
But again, if Charr tries to box with him, he would lose. But he must out of his mind if he tries to do that when he is 40 lbs is heavier than Canelo, he can basicaly tire him out even if he wrestle with the guy in the earlier rounds by just holding him whenever they get close.
But if Canelo turns into a butterbean just for this fight, then perhaps but then he was never tested as a butterbean so we've no idea how he can fight as a butterbean
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:27
by gilgamesh
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:19
gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:00
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 11:34
No. Just because he beat an 37 years old light-heavyweight Kovalev that doesn't mean he has a chance against a heavyweight, or even a cruiserweight.
He has more than a chance against Charr. He'd beat him in one sided fashion.
Size alone doesn't make up for the fact that somebody is better than you in every conceivable way.
If only Charr fights like he doesn't know he has a tremendous weight advantage against Canelo, and if he tries to box with Canelo, instead of using his big weight to overpower him by tiring him out.
Canelo said his ideal weight is 160 lbs, even light-heavy 174 lbs was exception for him.
Charr is what? 230 lbs or 240 lbs at heavyweight?
How much weight can Canelo get for heavyweight fight maximum, 190 lbs if we are generous? You realize there 40 lbs difference will be when they fight at heavyweight right?
But again, if Charr tries to box with him, he would lose. But he must out of his mind if he tries to do that when he is 40 lbs is heavier than Canelo, he can basicaly tire him out even if he wrestle with the guy in the earlier rounds by just holding him whenever they get close.
But if Canelo turns into a butterbean just for this fight, then perhaps but then he was never tested as a butterbean so we've no idea how he can fight as a butterbean
Canelo could come in weighing 168. Charr could have 70 pounds on him, and fight to the best of his ability, and he still would be doing well to even win a round.
Again, size alone ain't gonna get it for ya. He probably wouldn't land a significant punch on Canelo. He's not anywhere near that skill level.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:29
by ldlamb
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 05:14
ldlamb wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 01:49
Evander wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 00:03
Can't see how that furthers his career.
He would be the WBA Heavyweight champion if he won.
Joshua is the WBA heavyweight title holder
No, I believe if you contact the WBA....Manuel Charr is the WBA Heavyweight Champion.
Check out this official WBA link.....
https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-boxer-pro ... -Nwyi1OKhA
Joshua is the Super Champion.
I know what you mean about who really is the champ.....but Charr’s belt would be enough to promote the fight....and 50 years from now when they write Canelo’s obituary, it would say he was a heavyweight champion.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:31
by Bard of Boxrec
gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:27
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:19
gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:00
He has more than a chance against Charr. He'd beat him in one sided fashion.
Size alone doesn't make up for the fact that somebody is better than you in every conceivable way.
If only Charr fights like he doesn't know he has a tremendous weight advantage against Canelo, and if he tries to box with Canelo, instead of using his big weight to overpower him by tiring him out.
Canelo said his ideal weight is 160 lbs, even light-heavy 174 lbs was exception for him.
Charr is what? 230 lbs or 240 lbs at heavyweight?
How much weight can Canelo get for heavyweight fight maximum, 190 lbs if we are generous? You realize there 40 lbs difference will be when they fight at heavyweight right?
But again, if Charr tries to box with him, he would lose. But he must out of his mind if he tries to do that when he is 40 lbs is heavier than Canelo, he can basicaly tire him out even if he wrestle with the guy in the earlier rounds by just holding him whenever they get close.
But if Canelo turns into a butterbean just for this fight, then perhaps but then he was never tested as a butterbean so we've no idea how he can fight as a butterbean
Canelo could come in weighing 168. Charr could have 70 pounds on him, and fight to the best of his ability, and he still would be doing well to even win a round.
Again, size alone ain't gonna get it for ya. He probably wouldn't land a significant punch on Canelo. He's not anywhere near that skill level.
I can imagine EO short circuiting at this post
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:32
by brilo33
saul would beat him up, the boy been fighting pro since 15 not worried about giving up weight or size , street fight go charr but in the ring skill and speed,
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:34
by bigjack
ldlamb wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:29
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 05:14
ldlamb wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 01:49
He would be the WBA Heavyweight champion if he won.
Joshua is the WBA heavyweight title holder
No, I believe if you contact the WBA....Manuel Charr is the WBA Heavyweight Champion.
Joshua is the Super Champion.
I know what you mean about who really is the champ.....but Charr’s belt would be enough to promote the fight....and 50 years from now when they write Canelo’s obituary, it would say he was a heavyweight champion.
Come on,you know and I know that's crap,wouldn't be so bad if Charr had been active lately,Jones beating Ruiz had far more crdibility than this,and that was crap too.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:39
by gilgamesh
brilo33 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:32
saul would beat him up, the boy been fighting pro since 15 not worried about giving up weight or size , street fight go charr but in the ring skill and speed,
Does Charr have any kinda grappling skill or background? Because if not I'd say Canelo could probably whip his ass in the streets too, but he'd probably make a better go of it at least.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:49
by oogiebe
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:31
I can imagine EO short circuiting at this post
Nah, he's busy searching back several years to cut and paste any quotes from other posters that'll back up his statement.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:51
by brilo33
gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:39
brilo33 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:32
saul would beat him up, the boy been fighting pro since 15 not worried about giving up weight or size , street fight go charr but in the ring skill and speed,
Does Charr have any kinda grappling skill or background? Because if not I'd say Canelo could probably whip his ass in the streets too, but he'd probably make a better go of it at least.
i know but that is were weight will play a big factor have you ever fought some one who 19stone 6 ft 6 in a small room , i have its like being in a wachine machine , kicking hair pulling dont cut it , id go bigger man as long as he can fight
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:52
by bigjack
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:49
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:31
I can imagine EO short circuiting at this post
Nah, he's busy searching back several years to cut and paste any quotes from other posters that'll back up his statement.
Nobody would be that desperate to win an argument would they ?
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:53
by oogiebe
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:52
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:49
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:31
I can imagine EO short circuiting at this post
Nah, he's busy searching back several years to cut and paste any quotes from other posters that'll back up his statement.
Nobody would be that desperate to win an argument would they ?
He's done that countless times before. So yeah.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 12:54
by bigjack
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:53
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:52
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:49
Nah, he's busy searching back several years to cut and paste any quotes from other posters that'll back up his statement.
Nobody would be that desperate to win an argument would they ?
He's done that countless times before. So yeah.
I know exactly what he's like,very troubled person
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 13:02
by oogiebe
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:54
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:53
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:52
Nobody would be that desperate to win an argument would they ?
He's done that countless times before. So yeah.
I know exactly what he's like,
very troubled person
Putting it nicely.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 13:03
by ldlamb
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:34
ldlamb wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:29
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 05:14
Joshua is the WBA heavyweight title holder
No, I believe if you contact the WBA....Manuel Charr is the WBA Heavyweight Champion.
Joshua is the Super Champion.
I know what you mean about who really is the champ.....but Charr’s belt would be enough to promote the fight....and 50 years from now when they write Canelo’s obituary, it would say he was a heavyweight champion.
Come on,you know and I know that's crap,wouldn't be so bad if Charr had been active lately,Jones beating Ruiz had far more crdibility than this,and that was crap too.
I get that it’s crap....but the poster for the fight would still say for the WBA Heavyweight title.
And that would definitely would be enough to generate as much interest in the general public as most of his other options.
Mostly I just agree with the second post that this is some creative out of the box thinking,
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 13:04
by bigjack
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 13:02
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:54
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:53
He's done that countless times before. So yeah.
I know exactly what he's like,
very troubled person
Putting it nicely.
he's been on my ignore list for months now,life is so much better not looking at his lies
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 13:05
by bigjack
ldlamb wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 13:03
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:34
ldlamb wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 12:29
No, I believe if you contact the WBA....Manuel Charr is the WBA Heavyweight Champion.
Joshua is the Super Champion.
I know what you mean about who really is the champ.....but Charr’s belt would be enough to promote the fight....and 50 years from now when they write Canelo’s obituary, it would say he was a heavyweight champion.
Come on,you know and I know that's crap,wouldn't be so bad if Charr had been active lately,Jones beating Ruiz had far more crdibility than this,and that was crap too.
I get that it’s crap....but the poster for the fight would still say for the WBA Heavyweight title.
And that would definitely would be enough to generate as much interest in the general public as most of his other options.
Mostly I just agree with the second post that this is some creative out of the box thinking,
yes I agree,casuals would fall for it and they are the ones who pay the bills
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 13:06
by brilo33
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 04:52
skanksta wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 04:00
No.
I don't think he beats the elite @ LHW so defo not @ CW.
Perhaps you’re right, but during June 2019, people from this forum were saying Callum Smith was far too big and good for Canelo.
with out the bicep injury maybe would have been
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Manuel Charr
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 23:27
by adislav123
SEFER SEFERI after not facing a guy with a positive record for years knocks out hungarian fellow journeyman laszlo hubert (delve into his record for a laugh).
after this he gets a shot for the wba international crap strap against...
MANUEL CHARR who just got knocked out cold by breidis & then beat belarus andrey mazanik (
record for
).
it follows....
CHARR vs. USTINOV for WBA WORLD SHITSHOW CHAMPION.
charr becomes first syrian hw-champ ever/first german since schmeling blablabla and doesn't do shit nor attempt to defend this historical lifetime achievement for nearly 4 years...
only in boxing.
record for