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candyslim wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 04:43

I accept that Joshua is naturally the better in-fighter but he seemed to me to be too respectful of Parker and that Joe was the more frustrated by the referee's constant interference. AJ seemed happy to re-set each time and keep Parker at distance where Joe was struggling to overcome his height and reach disadvantage.

Yeah, Joshua was less pissed off with the ref as he was winning the outside battle.
Parker is the one who needed to try something different but wasn't allowed to as the ref had already decided that they were not allowed to get close.

The ref ruined what should have been a good fight imo.

keirw wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 07:57

candyslim wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 04:43

I accept that Joshua is naturally the better in-fighter but he seemed to me to be too respectful of Parker and that Joe was the more frustrated by the referee's constant interference. AJ seemed happy to re-set each time and keep Parker at distance where Joe was struggling to overcome his height and reach disadvantage.

Yeah, Joshua was less pissed off with the ref as he was winning the outside battle.
Parker is the one who needed to try something different but wasn't allowed to as the ref had already decided that they were not allowed to get close.

The ref ruined what should have been a good fight imo.

The good referee should minimize clinching/holding/wrestling. This is my opinion, of course.

ValMar wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 09:42

keirw wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 07:57

candyslim wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 04:43

I accept that Joshua is naturally the better in-fighter but he seemed to me to be too respectful of Parker and that Joe was the more frustrated by the referee's constant interference. AJ seemed happy to re-set each time and keep Parker at distance where Joe was struggling to overcome his height and reach disadvantage.

Yeah, Joshua was less pissed off with the ref as he was winning the outside battle.
Parker is the one who needed to try something different but wasn't allowed to as the ref had already decided that they were not allowed to get close.

The ref ruined what should have been a good fight imo.

The good referee should minimize clinching/holding/wrestling. This is my opinion, of course.

In Joshua-Parker he was frequently breaking them while they just went inside. That's too much.

DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 10:34

ValMar wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 09:42

keirw wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 07:57
Yeah, Joshua was less pissed off with the ref as he was winning the outside battle.
Parker is the one who needed to try something different but wasn't allowed to as the ref had already decided that they were not allowed to get close.

The ref ruined what should have been a good fight imo.

The good referee should minimize clinching/holding/wrestling. This is my opinion, of course.

In Joshua-Parker he was frequently breaking them while they just went inside. That's too much.

May I agree with you ? Partly !

ValMar wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 09:42

keirw wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 07:57

candyslim wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 04:43

I accept that Joshua is naturally the better in-fighter but he seemed to me to be too respectful of Parker and that Joe was the more frustrated by the referee's constant interference. AJ seemed happy to re-set each time and keep Parker at distance where Joe was struggling to overcome his height and reach disadvantage.

Yeah, Joshua was less pissed off with the ref as he was winning the outside battle.
Parker is the one who needed to try something different but wasn't allowed to as the ref had already decided that they were not allowed to get close.

The ref ruined what should have been a good fight imo.

The good referee should minimize clinching/holding/wrestling. This is my opinion, of course.

This is true, but a good referee must also know the rules of Boxing, and know just what a clinch is. A clinch only needs to broken when one or both fighters have both arms tied up. As long as they have 1 free arm, let 'em fight. That's the rule.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 11:17

ValMar wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 09:42

keirw wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 07:57
Yeah, Joshua was less pissed off with the ref as he was winning the outside battle.
Parker is the one who needed to try something different but wasn't allowed to as the ref had already decided that they were not allowed to get close.

The ref ruined what should have been a good fight imo.

The good referee should minimize clinching/holding/wrestling. This is my opinion, of course.

This is true, but a good referee must also know the rules of Boxing, and know just what a clinch is. A clinch only needs to broken when one or both fighters have both arms tied up. As long as they have 1 free arm, let 'em fight. That's the rule.

Yes................

The very fact that a discussion about a heavyweight unification (which was a very big fight at the time) has turned into a debate about the ref proves that the ref did a terrible job in that fight.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 11:17

ValMar wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 09:42

keirw wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 07:57
Yeah, Joshua was less pissed off with the ref as he was winning the outside battle.
Parker is the one who needed to try something different but wasn't allowed to as the ref had already decided that they were not allowed to get close.

The ref ruined what should have been a good fight imo.

The good referee should minimize clinching/holding/wrestling. This is my opinion, of course.

This is true, but a good referee must also know the rules of Boxing, and know just what a clinch is. A clinch only needs to broken when one or both fighters have both arms tied up. As long as they have 1 free arm, let 'em fight. That's the rule.

I totally agree with that and I understand what the clinch is all about as its a part of the sport. I hate the holding and wrestling because that's just either fatigue or a bigger man trying to wear downs smaller opponent.
Just re-watched the fight and that ref was dogs ass. That is just spoiling a fight from even getting to inside close quarters and hindering both boxers. It's very bad officiating.

You re-watched the fight ?!

I salute you Jonny, you have a far higher pain threshold than I do. That isn't a fight I could bring myself to watch again.

The referee was shocking. Fighting inside is an integral part of the sport and the fighters should only be parted when there is clinching or blatent holding. Every time Parker closed the distance the referee jumped in and didn't give them a chance to do any of those things. He is the reason I wouldn't want to put myself through that again.

I think we don't need to see Fury vs AJ after Usyk putting a master class boxing lesson against AJ.

AJ still has size advantage against Usyk in the rematch but against Fury, he doesn't even have that advantage.

I've no idea how Tony Bellew could think AJ has a chance against Fury. That fight would be even more one-sided than Usyk vs AJ.

usyk bringing everyone back

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 20:04 usyk bringing everyone back

Surprised no one has bumped one of the AJ "one of the all time greats" threads.

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 20:15

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 20:04 usyk bringing everyone back

Surprised no one has bumped one of the AJ "one of the all time greats" threads.

Who started that one?

Was it the legendary Kalan who proclaimed Joshua as the greatest HW of all-time because he had a 100% KO record?

I think Kalan vanished a bit before Joshua was smoked by Ruiz.

I sort of miss Kalan because I would like to know what his excuse would have been for AJ's loss to Ruiz and this loss too.

Here's my first post in this thread from December 2020:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 13:15 AJ can box. He can probably outbox most world-rated heavyweights not named Fury or Usyk.

I actually think Andy Ruiz Jr. might be more skilful than AJ, but his lack of discipline has resulted in him being so incredibly obese that he lacks the athleticism to execute the skills he's acquired often enough throughout bouts.