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ironbeard wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 12:46

littlepug wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 09:50

Switch hitter wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 05:02


How would you have liked Billy to box against Canelo?

Just a bit more conviction would of been nice, you could tell from the off he didn’t believe in himself and wasn’t going to try and take control, can you imagine Calzaghe behaving like that? Anyway it’s not really about what he should of done it’s about getting patted on the back for just taking part, this sport has too long a history of great performances and moments to be reduced to that.

In my opinion he was attempting to exert “a bit more conviction” from 5 on, which ultimately led to his demise.

That’s fair enough, we all see things differently, I personally didn’t see what I wanted to which was BJS hell bent on winning.

littlepug wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 12:41

Switch hitter wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 12:34

littlepug wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 09:50
Just a bit more conviction would of been nice, you could tell from the off he didn’t believe in himself and wasn’t going to try and take control, can you imagine Calzaghe behaving like that? Anyway it’s not really about what he should of done it’s about getting patted on the back for just taking part, this sport has too long a history of great performances and moments to be reduced to that.

I know, old fashioned ain’t I !

You are Jason !!

there we go

littlepug wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 12:58

ironbeard wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 12:46

littlepug wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 09:50
Just a bit more conviction would of been nice, you could tell from the off he didn’t believe in himself and wasn’t going to try and take control, can you imagine Calzaghe behaving like that? Anyway it’s not really about what he should of done it’s about getting patted on the back for just taking part, this sport has too long a history of great performances and moments to be reduced to that.

In my opinion he was attempting to exert “a bit more conviction” from 5 on, which ultimately led to his demise.

That’s fair enough, we all see things differently, I personally didn’t see what I wanted to which was BJS hell bent on winning.

Dupe

littlepug wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 12:41

Switch hitter wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 12:34

littlepug wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 09:50
Just a bit more conviction would of been nice, you could tell from the off he didn’t believe in himself and wasn’t going to try and take control, can you imagine Calzaghe behaving like that? Anyway it’s not really about what he should of done it’s about getting patted on the back for just taking part, this sport has too long a history of great performances and moments to be reduced to that.

I know, old fashioned ain’t I !

A little more conviction would have got BJS in serious trouble much earlier in the fight. Billy Joe knows he doesn't have anywhere near the power necessary to take it to Canelo, his tactics were always going to be box and move. He did ok but the writing was always on the wall.

Saunders' best rounds were 5 through 7 and he seemed to be finding a rhythm and gaining confidence. As a result he began to impose himself a little, box with a little more conviction. As a result of this ... oh sh1t, that wasn't supposed to happen. Don't get me wrong, I think there was a certain inevitability to it, whatever degree of conviction was applied by the patient. Canelo is much improved from the fighter beaten by Mayweather and Golovkin.

I don't want to see a third fight. GGG can justifiably claim to have beaten Canelo twice. The second was much better for Canelo than the first, and next time he will actually deserve the win and I feel it would be emphatic. Don't give him the satisfaction Genady.

i dont know that it was over committing that got bjs caught with the uppercut.....in general he was starting to get sloppier and more complacent, notably after enjoying a good 5th. he clowned and showboated throughout the 6th and then was doing it in the next rounds again.

he was losing focus as if he was starting to believe that canelo wasnt as dangerous as he'd previously thought. his eye came off the ball a bit , and then his eye came off

Both him and Dubois had their faces smashed in. One by a 6'6" 18 stone unstoppable force and one by Canelo, a 5'8" force of nature. Carrying on against either would have resulted in pointless career ending injuries.

Whatever any bravado any boxer comes out with, we're usually in agreement that the boxer is silly to carry on with those type of injuries and the corner and the fighter is too brave if they're sent out again.

I'm done with it. I don't want to see fighters permanently maimed. BJS (and all the other boxers who did the same) shouldn't have piled onto Dubois for doing the sensible thing. Hopefully BJS has learned his lesson, and Dubois should be given more credit for carrying on longer when it was clear his corner wasn't going to pull him out like they should have done. I hated the kicking DDD got for his capitulation and, even though he chatted sh*t about big Dan, I don't see any point in kicking BJS anymore when he's down. He got his face caved in. That's what everybody wanted, right?

Bring on the next fight and let it go, I say.

@ Maggie: Maybe so but I don't think a more authoritative approach would have paid any dividends. The Matador should avoid engaging the bull in a test of strength.

you can be more authorative without being overly aggresive. i for one struggled to give him rounds because most of his work was tentative, pawing stuff that lacked quality. it's not like he had to stand and trade toe to toe

although, i think canelo was simply at another level and wins no matter what approach bill took

and i don't believe bjs was even punching when canelo threw the uppercut anyway

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 18:52 you can be more authorative without being overly aggresive. i for one struggled to give him rounds because most of his work was tentative, pawing stuff that lacked quality. it's not like he had to stand and trade toe to toe

although, i think canelo was simply at another level and wins no matter what approach bill took

Tentative and pawing are good descriptions of the punches BJS was throwing. I'm amazed these 'bigger' guys are so terrified to go toe to toe with Canelo like 'little' middleweight GGG did. Even big puncher Kovalev was only committing to point scoring love taps.

What do you think Canelo weighs when he walks in the ring? Do you think he's essentially a short cruiserweight?

ya, i think also the fact that he's a good counter puncher make them weary of opening up.

he's become quite the tank, that's for sure. dude is thicc with that beefy ginger muscle. his neck looked 2x the size of bill's

he looks like some genetically modified experiment

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 19:04 ya, i think also the fact that he's a good counter puncher make them weary of opening up.

he's become quite the tank, that's for sure. dude it thicc with that beefy ginger muscle. his neck looked 2x the size of bill's

he looks like some genetically modified experiment

He's not tall but he's huge. We've all met a lot of these guys in real life: average or slightly below average height guys that can still beat the crap out of really big guys. Most of the toughest guys I knew growing up were under 6'. I don't see why that shouldn't translate to boxing until we get into heavyweight, where they're basically a different species.

That neck is freakish: nobody is knocking him down below 175 let alone knocking him out.

Cyclops wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 19:02

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 18:52 you can be more authorative without being overly aggresive. i for one struggled to give him rounds because most of his work was tentative, pawing stuff that lacked quality. it's not like he had to stand and trade toe to toe

although, i think canelo was simply at another level and wins no matter what approach bill took

Tentative and pawing are good descriptions of the punches BJS was throwing. I'm amazed these 'bigger' guys are so terrified to go toe to toe with Canelo like 'little' middleweight GGG did. Even big puncher Kovalev was only committing to point scoring love taps.

What do you think Canelo weighs when he walks in the ring? Do you think he's essentially a short cruiserweight?

177-180. I thought he still looked quite lean at LHW when he boxed Kovalev. I think all of his last 4 or 5 opponents have been tentative because they are too worried about what's coming back. He hits like a truck and he can do it with every punch in the book consistently round after round. Not easy to let your hands go against a counter-puncher with his power.

Monzon83 wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 19:12

Cyclops wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 19:02

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 18:52 you can be more authorative without being overly aggresive. i for one struggled to give him rounds because most of his work was tentative, pawing stuff that lacked quality. it's not like he had to stand and trade toe to toe

although, i think canelo was simply at another level and wins no matter what approach bill took

Tentative and pawing are good descriptions of the punches BJS was throwing. I'm amazed these 'bigger' guys are so terrified to go toe to toe with Canelo like 'little' middleweight GGG did. Even big puncher Kovalev was only committing to point scoring love taps.

What do you think Canelo weighs when he walks in the ring? Do you think he's essentially a short cruiserweight?

177-180. I thought he still looked quite lean at LHW when he boxed Kovalev. I think all of his last 4 or 5 opponents have been tentative because they are too worried about what's coming back. He hits like a truck and he can do it with every punch in the book consistently round after round. Not easy to let your hands go against a counter-puncher with his power.

It's not something that's ever talked about when it comes to boxing but I trained with guys like Dennis Jones and John Anderson when I was younger and they could punch with terrifying power that would hospitalise people and break bones. It usually involved a lot of deception but both blokes were about 5'10 and would break the faces of big lads everybody was scared of. There is a technique to punching hard, or punching your weight, and Canelo seems to be one of the best examples of it in boxing.