weight bullies

[JamesPhilips]

Scott Harrison.

Harrison was absolutely huge for featherweight, and this was in the early 00s before modern weight cutting techniques. Wonder what weight they could get him to now!

Whats he doing now?

[jameswilson]

Scott Harrison.

Harrison was absolutely huge for featherweight, and this was in the early 00s before modern weight cutting techniques. Wonder what weight they could get him to now!

Whats he doing now?

Throwing crisps.

[rob h]

Never heard this term before. You either make weight, or you don't.

[margaret thatcher]

duh

no idea why some people seem to think that 'you either make weight or dont' is incompatible with the question

has anyone suggested that there is some 3rd realm between making weight and not making weight?

[CaptainSpacerod]

Is it something that people think should be frowned upon ? For me, regardless of what access they have to sports science and nutrition it must take a huge amount of dedication and sacrifice for fighters to boil down to way below their walk around weight so surely they’ve earned any weight bully advantage on fight night ?

[emallini]

A weight bully does not exist. This is a made up term by Internet fans. You do not hear that in boxing gyms. It does not exist. You either make the weight or you don't. End of.

I make you completely wrong. In a normal gym that puts it's fighters into competition they can't afford all the 'scientific methods' that fighters backed with more money can afford, so they genuinely do have to fight at their natural weight. If you have the right team of 'nutritionists' and 'strength and conditioning coaches' behind you, you can hop on the scales and weigh in exactly the same weight as your opponent: and then in 24 hours the two fighters can come in with an obvious weight disparity.

Below heavyweight, it's a science getting the biggest possible athlete to come in at the lightest possible weight. And drained fighters are often attempted weight bullies that screw up their cut, or are fighters that are just too big for the contracted weight but weaken themselves to make it anyway, often in the knowledge that they will lose, just for the payday.

You're right, in the gyms I trained in, and in amateur and area level gyms you didn't get 'weight bullies' because we fought close to our walk around weight.

Your argument about 'internet fans' is pretty lame. I've not competed personally, but never really stuck around boxing gyms for very long (I trained in a am gym when I was younger and the trainers decided that I wasn't worth their time, as they had dedicated traveller kids who could really fight that they devoted their time to) but when I trained in kickboxing and Muay Thai gyms, where we had champions (and I'm friends with one of the best K1 fighters in the UK), of course weight bullying wasn't a thing.

But with millions and millions of dollars at stake, anybody with eyes can see that weight bullies exist. Sod off with your "oh, I've been in a gym, you're just typing" bollocks. You sound dismissive and frankly a twat.

I am telling you that it isn't a thing. I am not debating it. I am telling you something.

[rob h]

No, it's isn't incompatible with the question. Weight cutting has been part of the sport for generations but is more prevalent now due to sports science. If you want to get to a decent level, you need to cut weight.

[watsupdoc87]

Zurdo.
Weight bullied his way to 40-0, hung onto his belt in a death grip without facing anyone decent, moves up to LHW and faces even lesser opponents
What a c*ckgobbler

Is he still going? I ain't heard a peep from him in a couple years

[Coco]

If you are comfortable at the weight you are fighting at the wrong weight

[Cyclops]

A weight bully does not exist. This is a made up term by Internet fans. You do not hear that in boxing gyms. It does not exist. You either make the weight or you don't. End of.

I make you completely wrong. In a normal gym that puts it's fighters into competition they can't afford all the 'scientific methods' that fighters backed with more money can afford, so they genuinely do have to fight at their natural weight. If you have the right team of 'nutritionists' and 'strength and conditioning coaches' behind you, you can hop on the scales and weigh in exactly the same weight as your opponent: and then in 24 hours the two fighters can come in with an obvious weight disparity.

Below heavyweight, it's a science getting the biggest possible athlete to come in at the lightest possible weight. And drained fighters are often attempted weight bullies that screw up their cut, or are fighters that are just too big for the contracted weight but weaken themselves to make it anyway, often in the knowledge that they will lose, just for the payday.

You're right, in the gyms I trained in, and in amateur and area level gyms you didn't get 'weight bullies' because we fought close to our walk around weight.

Your argument about 'internet fans' is pretty lame. I've not competed personally, but never really stuck around boxing gyms for very long (I trained in a am gym when I was younger and the trainers decided that I wasn't worth their time, as they had dedicated traveller kids who could really fight that they devoted their time to) but when I trained in kickboxing and Muay Thai gyms, where we had champions (and I'm friends with one of the best K1 fighters in the UK), of course weight bullying wasn't a thing.

But with millions and millions of dollars at stake, anybody with eyes can see that weight bullies exist. Sod off with your "oh, I've been in a gym, you're just typing" bollocks. You sound dismissive and frankly a twat.

I am telling you that it isn't a thing. I am not debating it. I am telling you something.

You're 'telling' me a load of old bollocks.

[Cyclops]

If you are comfortable at the weight you are fighting at the wrong weight

And some people are more 'comfortable' at cutting weight than others. It's a cliche, but MMA has a HUGE problem with guys (and gals) cutting weight. I don't follow it particularly, but didn't they only ban IV rehydration in the past couple of years? Or are they still allowed to do it?

[knockout]

Weight cutting was previously purely a natural talent like having fast hands or a good chin.

More recently it’s been taken advantage of by those who have the best access to PEDs etc

In its purest form it’s not cheating ... no more “bully” than calling someone who hits harder than an opponent a bully .. it’s just unfair :)

Having said that I would much prefer the middleweight championship to be contested by two 160lb guys like it used to be. Not a 180lb guy and a 170lb guy

[Cyclops]

No, it's isn't incompatible with the question. Weight cutting has been part of the sport for generations but is more prevalent now due to sports science. If you want to get to a decent level, you need to cut weight.

I think people's issues with it are that, in some examples, if somebody comes in with a clear weight advantage despite weighing in the same as the opponent it might be possible evidence of some sort of cheating.

That's why there's still an ongoing argument amongst some people that we should return to same day weigh-ins.

I'd be up for that, so long as people could prove they weren't dehydrated to the point of it being dangerous on fight night just to make the weight. We all know that they gave them a day to re-hydrate after the weigh in to make it safer, but if you think that nobody has ever exploited that 24 hour rule then we've got a very naive person on our hands.

[Cyclops]

I would much prefer the middleweight championship to be contested by two 160lb guys like it used to be. Not a 180lb guy and a 170lb guy

Agreed.

[KiwiRider]

Zurdo.
Weight bullied his way to 40-0, hung onto his belt in a death grip without facing anyone decent, moves up to LHW and faces even lesser opponents
What a c*ckgobbler

Is he still going? I ain't heard a peep from him in a couple years

The answer is not a lot, he does have a match with the ghost of Barrera.
A perfect opponent seeing as Hart just beat him and Zurdo beat Hart twice

[Ruthless-RKO]

Bellew was a domestic weight billy at 175.. had two world title shots and lost.. then moved up to his true weight class CW. I would have loved to see him fighting Drozd for the WBC belt and not vacant. We’ll see if he would have won the belt then.

Also, paid Briedis step aside and had him fight Valilly on the Bellew-Flores undercard, then vacated afterwards.

[margaret thatcher]

its very interesting, cuz i totally see why it has an unfair vibe to it. we have weight divisions and rate guys p4p to eliminate the size factor. we value often those abilities that take so much application and practice to craft properly. and no one says that manuel charr is better than tank davis or inoue etc, even though he would beat their asses simply cuz he's bigger

on the other hand, is having the right genetics to be able to drain a ton of weight, any more unfair than having the genetics that make you a way bigger puncher than the other guys? that is a bit unfair too isnt it, wasnt something your or the others had a choice over. and getting weight right can take lots of dedication too

now, let's say your an a-side fighter, and you blow the weight, but then payoff the other guy either to take the fight anyway or for the limit to be upped, that's not any genetic gift or dedication

[Cyclops]

its very interesting, cuz i totally see why it has an unfair vibe to it. we have weight divisions and rate guys p4p to eliminate the size factor. we value often those abilities that take so much application and practice to craft properly. and no one says that manuel charr is better than tank davis or inoue etc, even though he would beat their asses simply cuz he's bigger

on the other hand, is having the right genetics to be able to drain a ton of weight, any more unfair than having the genetics that make you a way bigger puncher than the other guys? that is a bit unfair too isnt it, wasnt something your or the others had a choice over. and getting weight right can take lots of dedication too

now, let's say your an a-side fighter, and you blow the weight, but then payoff the other guy either to take the fight anyway or for the limit to be upped, that's not any genetic gift or dedication

I can't be bothered to check, but was there much of a weight discrepancy when Briedis brutally knocked Charr into next week?

[margaret thatcher]

cant be bothered either, but prob about 50 pounds id think

cracking ko too, the shot looked so effortless and like briedis put nothing into it, but big manny sure went to sleep

[gregregegg]

cant be bothered either, but prob about 50 pounds id think

cracking ko too, the shot looked so effortless and like briedis put nothing into it, but big manny sure went to sleep

31 lb. 245 and 214.

[margaret thatcher]

ah, okay, not as much as i'd thought

[Counter-puncher]

A weight bully does not exist. This is a made up term by Internet fans. You do not hear that in boxing gyms. It does not exist. You either make the weight or you don't. End of.

I make you completely wrong. In a normal gym that puts it's fighters into competition they can't afford all the 'scientific methods' that fighters backed with more money can afford, so they genuinely do have to fight at their natural weight. If you have the right team of 'nutritionists' and 'strength and conditioning coaches' behind you, you can hop on the scales and weigh in exactly the same weight as your opponent: and then in 24 hours the two fighters can come in with an obvious weight disparity.

Below heavyweight, it's a science getting the biggest possible athlete to come in at the lightest possible weight. And drained fighters are often attempted weight bullies that screw up their cut, or are fighters that are just too big for the contracted weight but weaken themselves to make it anyway, often in the knowledge that they will lose, just for the payday.

You're right, in the gyms I trained in, and in amateur and area level gyms you didn't get 'weight bullies' because we fought close to our walk around weight.

Your argument about 'internet fans' is pretty lame. I've not competed personally, but never really stuck around boxing gyms for very long (I trained in a am gym when I was younger and the trainers decided that I wasn't worth their time, as they had dedicated traveller kids who could really fight that they devoted their time to) but when I trained in kickboxing and Muay Thai gyms, where we had champions (and I'm friends with one of the best K1 fighters in the UK), of course weight bullying wasn't a thing.

But with millions and millions of dollars at stake, anybody with eyes can see that weight bullies exist. Sod off with your "oh, I've been in a gym, you're just typing" bollocks. You sound dismissive and frankly a twat.

[Counter-puncher]

its very interesting, cuz i totally see why it has an unfair vibe to it. we have weight divisions and rate guys p4p to eliminate the size factor. we value often those abilities that take so much application and practice to craft properly. and no one says that manuel charr is better than tank davis or inoue etc, even though he would beat their asses simply cuz he's bigger

on the other hand, is having the right genetics to be able to drain a ton of weight, any more unfair than having the genetics that make you a way bigger puncher than the other guys? that is a bit unfair too isnt it, wasnt something your or the others had a choice over. and getting weight right can take lots of dedication too

now, let's say your an a-side fighter, and you blow the weight, but then payoff the other guy either to take the fight anyway or for the limit to be upped, that's not any genetic gift or dedication

my guess is that a genetic predisposition (or not) for cutting weight, is secondary to the scientific knowledge/ whatever cheats they use. IE having the right team in place (with all that entails) a bigger factor than genetics, though i stand to be corrected on that

[Dioufy]

Always been a fan of the idea of having a weigh in 24hrs before with a weigh in on fight day with a determined allowed increase… say 2/3kg max.

[JamesPhilips]

Always been a fan of the idea of having a weigh in 24hrs before with a weigh in on fight day with a determined allowed increase… say 2/3kg max.

I wonder if that rule would result in a lot of last minute fight cancellations however? Or it could mean fighters won't be able to rehydrate properly.