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dookus wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:44

jameswilson wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 10:02 Scott Harrison.

Harrison was absolutely huge for featherweight, and this was in the early 00s before modern weight cutting techniques. Wonder what weight they could get him to now!

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:57

dookus wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:44

jameswilson wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 10:02 Scott Harrison.

Harrison was absolutely huge for featherweight, and this was in the early 00s before modern weight cutting techniques. Wonder what weight they could get him to now!

Whats he doing now?

Cyclops wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:38

emallini wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:17 A weight bully does not exist. This is a made up term by Internet fans. You do not hear that in boxing gyms. It does not exist. You either make the weight or you don't. End of.

I make you completely wrong. In a normal gym that puts it's fighters into competition they can't afford all the 'scientific methods' that fighters backed with more money can afford, so they genuinely do have to fight at their natural weight. If you have the right team of 'nutritionists' and 'strength and conditioning coaches' behind you, you can hop on the scales and weigh in exactly the same weight as your opponent: and then in 24 hours the two fighters can come in with an obvious weight disparity.

Below heavyweight, it's a science getting the biggest possible athlete to come in at the lightest possible weight. And drained fighters are often attempted weight bullies that screw up their cut, or are fighters that are just too big for the contracted weight but weaken themselves to make it anyway, often in the knowledge that they will lose, just for the payday.

You're right, in the gyms I trained in, and in amateur and area level gyms you didn't get 'weight bullies' because we fought close to our walk around weight.

Your argument about 'internet fans' is pretty lame. I've not competed personally, but never really stuck around boxing gyms for very long (I trained in a am gym when I was younger and the trainers decided that I wasn't worth their time, as they had dedicated traveller kids who could really fight that they devoted their time to) but when I trained in kickboxing and Muay Thai gyms, where we had champions (and I'm friends with one of the best K1 fighters in the UK), of course weight bullying wasn't a thing.

But with millions and millions of dollars at stake, anybody with eyes can see that weight bullies exist. Sod off with your "oh, I've been in a gym, you're just typing" bollocks. You sound dismissive and frankly a twat.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 15:13 Zurdo.
Weight bullied his way to 40-0, hung onto his belt in a death grip without facing anyone decent, moves up to LHW and faces even lesser opponents
What a c*ckgobbler

emallini wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 17:12

Cyclops wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:38

emallini wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:17 A weight bully does not exist. This is a made up term by Internet fans. You do not hear that in boxing gyms. It does not exist. You either make the weight or you don't. End of.

I make you completely wrong. In a normal gym that puts it's fighters into competition they can't afford all the 'scientific methods' that fighters backed with more money can afford, so they genuinely do have to fight at their natural weight. If you have the right team of 'nutritionists' and 'strength and conditioning coaches' behind you, you can hop on the scales and weigh in exactly the same weight as your opponent: and then in 24 hours the two fighters can come in with an obvious weight disparity.

Below heavyweight, it's a science getting the biggest possible athlete to come in at the lightest possible weight. And drained fighters are often attempted weight bullies that screw up their cut, or are fighters that are just too big for the contracted weight but weaken themselves to make it anyway, often in the knowledge that they will lose, just for the payday.

You're right, in the gyms I trained in, and in amateur and area level gyms you didn't get 'weight bullies' because we fought close to our walk around weight.

Your argument about 'internet fans' is pretty lame. I've not competed personally, but never really stuck around boxing gyms for very long (I trained in a am gym when I was younger and the trainers decided that I wasn't worth their time, as they had dedicated traveller kids who could really fight that they devoted their time to) but when I trained in kickboxing and Muay Thai gyms, where we had champions (and I'm friends with one of the best K1 fighters in the UK), of course weight bullying wasn't a thing.

But with millions and millions of dollars at stake, anybody with eyes can see that weight bullies exist. Sod off with your "oh, I've been in a gym, you're just typing" bollocks. You sound dismissive and frankly a twat.

I am telling you that it isn't a thing. I am not debating it. I am telling you something.

Coco wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 17:25 If you are comfortable at the weight you are fighting at the wrong weight

rob h wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 17:15 No, it's isn't incompatible with the question. Weight cutting has been part of the sport for generations but is more prevalent now due to sports science. If you want to get to a decent level, you need to cut weight.

knockout wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 17:50 I would much prefer the middleweight championship to be contested by two 160lb guys like it used to be. Not a 180lb guy and a 170lb guy

watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 17:23

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 15:13 Zurdo.
Weight bullied his way to 40-0, hung onto his belt in a death grip without facing anyone decent, moves up to LHW and faces even lesser opponents
What a c*ckgobbler

Is he still going? I ain't heard a peep from him in a couple years

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 20:02 its very interesting, cuz i totally see why it has an unfair vibe to it. we have weight divisions and rate guys p4p to eliminate the size factor. we value often those abilities that take so much application and practice to craft properly. and no one says that manuel charr is better than tank davis or inoue etc, even though he would beat their asses simply cuz he's bigger

on the other hand, is having the right genetics to be able to drain a ton of weight, any more unfair than having the genetics that make you a way bigger puncher than the other guys? that is a bit unfair too isnt it, wasnt something your or the others had a choice over. and getting weight right can take lots of dedication too

now, let's say your an a-side fighter, and you blow the weight, but then payoff the other guy either to take the fight anyway or for the limit to be upped, that's not any genetic gift or dedication

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 20:42 cant be bothered either, but prob about 50 pounds id think

cracking ko too, the shot looked so effortless and like briedis put nothing into it, but big manny sure went to sleep

Cyclops wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:38

emallini wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:17 A weight bully does not exist. This is a made up term by Internet fans. You do not hear that in boxing gyms. It does not exist. You either make the weight or you don't. End of.

I make you completely wrong. In a normal gym that puts it's fighters into competition they can't afford all the 'scientific methods' that fighters backed with more money can afford, so they genuinely do have to fight at their natural weight. If you have the right team of 'nutritionists' and 'strength and conditioning coaches' behind you, you can hop on the scales and weigh in exactly the same weight as your opponent: and then in 24 hours the two fighters can come in with an obvious weight disparity.

Below heavyweight, it's a science getting the biggest possible athlete to come in at the lightest possible weight. And drained fighters are often attempted weight bullies that screw up their cut, or are fighters that are just too big for the contracted weight but weaken themselves to make it anyway, often in the knowledge that they will lose, just for the payday.

You're right, in the gyms I trained in, and in amateur and area level gyms you didn't get 'weight bullies' because we fought close to our walk around weight.

Your argument about 'internet fans' is pretty lame. I've not competed personally, but never really stuck around boxing gyms for very long (I trained in a am gym when I was younger and the trainers decided that I wasn't worth their time, as they had dedicated traveller kids who could really fight that they devoted their time to) but when I trained in kickboxing and Muay Thai gyms, where we had champions (and I'm friends with one of the best K1 fighters in the UK), of course weight bullying wasn't a thing.

But with millions and millions of dollars at stake, anybody with eyes can see that weight bullies exist. Sod off with your "oh, I've been in a gym, you're just typing" bollocks. You sound dismissive and frankly a twat.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 20:02 its very interesting, cuz i totally see why it has an unfair vibe to it. we have weight divisions and rate guys p4p to eliminate the size factor. we value often those abilities that take so much application and practice to craft properly. and no one says that manuel charr is better than tank davis or inoue etc, even though he would beat their asses simply cuz he's bigger

on the other hand, is having the right genetics to be able to drain a ton of weight, any more unfair than having the genetics that make you a way bigger puncher than the other guys? that is a bit unfair too isnt it, wasnt something your or the others had a choice over. and getting weight right can take lots of dedication too

now, let's say your an a-side fighter, and you blow the weight, but then payoff the other guy either to take the fight anyway or for the limit to be upped, that's not any genetic gift or dedication

Dioufy wrote: ↑08 Jun 2021, 06:58 Always been a fan of the idea of having a weigh in 24hrs before with a weigh in on fight day with a determined allowed increase… say 2/3kg max.