Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 12:43
Jonathan Rice is complete utter garbage.
The only useful thing about this fight is to determine whether Michael Coffie is capable of stopping Jonathan Rice, even though the allegedly "fearsome" Efe Ajagba couldn't (less than a year ago during the Nigerian's 19th outing).
For the record, Tony Yoka scored a lop-sided six-round decision victory over Jonathan Rice during the Frenchman's second outing as a pro.
Lopsided? One judge had Yoka winning by a close 58-56 score.
Other previous Jonathan Rice loses (below) demonstrate that he's a more than capable enough opponent vs Coffie.
Demsey McKean : Currently 19-0, 12 KO's
Arslanbek Makhmudov : Currently 11-0, 11 KO's
Stephen Shaw : Currently 14-0, 10 KO's'
Con Sheehan : Currently 6-0
I agree with this too. I don't know much about Jonnie Rice but it seems clear he has never received the benefit of the "prospect treatment" but has been allowed to sink or swim ... and for the most part he has swum.
He was very unfortunate in losing to Demsey McKean, went seven rounds with the fearsome Makhmudov who has a penchant for dispatching his opponents in short order.
I accept he is a level below Washington, but in one area at least he wipes the floor with him. That's 'heart'. Washington can be relied on to fold under pressure but Rice is more resilient. Definitely an acceptable opponent for an inexperienced guy like Polite-Coffie although Coffie is going to need to make the next one a serious test if he wants to seriously impact the division. Time is running out.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 12:43
Jonathan Rice is complete utter garbage.
The only useful thing about this fight is to determine whether Michael Coffie is capable of stopping Jonathan Rice, even though the allegedly "fearsome" Efe Ajagba couldn't (less than a year ago during the Nigerian's 19th outing).
For the record, Tony Yoka scored a lop-sided six-round decision victory over Jonathan Rice during the Frenchman's second outing as a pro.
Lopsided? One judge had Yoka winning by a close 58-56 score.
I watched the fight.
Apart from round two, the American was often clumsily punching thin air.
It would be tough for anyone to claim that Jonathan Rice deserved to win more than a single round in that fight. And two of the official judges scorecards reflected this obvious fact.
And let's not forget that Jonathan Rice was only the Frenchman's second opponent.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Posted: 29 Jul 2021, 06:28
by candyslim
Surely no disgrace in dropping a decision to the Olympic champion now rated top 15 in the world, and expected to progress a lot further, be it a close decision or otherwise?
There a quite a few fighters on the fringes of contention that I wouldn't expect to do any better.
Rice is no world-beater neither is he 'utter garbage'.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Posted: 29 Jul 2021, 07:22
by Enlightened-One
candyslim wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 06:28Rice is no world-beater neither is he 'utter garbage'
In the context of calibre of opponent for Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice is 'utter garbage' in comparison to Gerald Washington, coupled with the fact he hasn’t won a fight in the last two years.
By the time he enters the ring against Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice would have only won six fights during a timeframe spanning four years, against opponents that have themselves failed to win 98 bouts, which means he's only capable of beating fellow journeymen with horrendous losing records.
I’ll give him his dues, he’s fairly durable and there are admittedly worst journeymen out there, but this doesn’t detract from the fact he loses to novices and debutants.
candyslim wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 06:28Rice is no world-beater neither is he 'utter garbage'
In the context of calibre of opponent for Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice is 'utter garbage' in comparison to Gerald Washington, coupled with the fact he hasn’t won a fight in the last two years.
By the time he enters the ring against Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice would have only won six fights during a timeframe spanning four years, against opponents that have themselves failed to win 98 bouts, which means he's only capable of beating fellow journeymen with horrendous losing records.
I’ll give him his dues, he’s fairly durable and there are admittedly worst journeymen out there, but this doesn’t detract from the fact he loses to novices and debutants.
Jonathan Rice beats Gerald Washington 8 out of 10 times .... The way Rice fought with Efe, he learned not to exchange and run. I don't see Michael Coffie can knockout him out if Rice fight same strategy.
candyslim wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 06:28Rice is no world-beater neither is he 'utter garbage'
In the context of calibre of opponent for Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice is 'utter garbage' in comparison to Gerald Washington, coupled with the fact he hasn’t won a fight in the last two years.
By the time he enters the ring against Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice would have only won six fights during a timeframe spanning four years, against opponents that have themselves failed to win 98 bouts, which means he's only capable of beating fellow journeymen with horrendous losing records.
I’ll give him his dues, he’s fairly durable and there are admittedly worst journeymen out there, but this doesn’t detract from the fact he loses to novices and debutants.
EO: You won’t need me to tell you that boxing like any sport is about levels. I look at Jonnie Rice and I see a fighter who holds some decent wins over respectable journeymen in Rodney Hernandez, Jamal Woods, Mario Heredia, and who has acquitted himself well against Stephan Shaw, Tony Yoka, Arslanbek Makhmudov, Demsey McKean and Efe Ajagba.
BoxRec have him at 100 in the world and I would regard that as about right. There are over 1100 currently active heavyweights which theoretically puts Rice in the top 10%. Is he ever going to make an impression at world level? No he’s not, but I’d allow you a little hyperbole in your selected description. I’m sure you don’t really regard anybody who isn’t in the top 2% in their chosen field of employment as “utter garbage”.
I would point out that he’s a replacement opponent for the less than stellar Gerald Washington. He is facing Michael Polite-Coffie who until his win over the presumably ‘utter garbage’ Darmani Rock, would have fitted into the same category.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Jul 2021, 23:13
usually rice is extremely durable, as long as you know how to keep it the right way
Until he finds himself in hot water
... or hot coffie
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Posted: 31 Jul 2021, 16:18
by Boxtune
Coffie looks around 1.5" shorter than Rice, there is no way he is 6'5" ... Boxrec Tale of Tape for all fighters need to be revised
Both came in very heavy 271.75LBS for Coffie and 268LBS for Rice
candyslim wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 06:28Rice is no world-beater neither is he 'utter garbage'
In the context of calibre of opponent for Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice is 'utter garbage' in comparison to Gerald Washington, coupled with the fact he hasn’t won a fight in the last two years.
By the time he enters the ring against Michael Coffie, Jonathan Rice would have only won six fights during a timeframe spanning four years, against opponents that have themselves failed to win 98 bouts, which means he's only capable of beating fellow journeymen with horrendous losing records.
I’ll give him his dues, he’s fairly durable and there are admittedly worst journeymen out there, but this doesn’t detract from the fact he loses to novices and debutants.
In the context of opponent for Michael Coffie it turns out rice is far far too good of an opponent....
Brang it vs Dempsey mckean, was 2 seconds away from arguably winning it.... he cops a bit for not bringing it, but only when quite outgunned, Efe and Mac whack, so i get why he was a bit hesitent/negative vs them. Yoka is a gold medalist so should be able to make the likes of rice look offensively deficient. At his levle (anywhere between 30th-100th in the world) rice is a handfull.
Brang it vs Dempsey mckean, was 2 seconds away from arguably winning it.... he cops a bit for not bringing it, but only when quite outgunned, Efe and Mac whack, so i get why he was a bit hesitent/negative vs them. Yoka is a gold medalist so should be able to make the likes of rice look offensively deficient. At his levle (anywhere between 30th-100th in the world) rice is a handfull.
Didn't see that one. Still the most aggressive Rice I've seen. From the opening bell.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July (Washington Out; Rice In)
Posted: 31 Jul 2021, 22:36
by oogiebe
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 12:18
Gerald Washington has withdrawn from the fight due to COVID. Jonathan Rice to step in. Horrible news as Rice is merely a punching bag waiting to find a soft spot to fall.
BUZZZZZZ!!!!! Wrong answer! LMFAO!
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Posted: 01 Aug 2021, 01:16
by SportsRatings
I really didn't think Jonathan Rice had it in him.
But look at this: He's lost six fights, to boxers with a combined current record of 76-0-0.
I figured he'd lose another to a 12-0-0 fighter but nope, he had other plans. Beat him start to finish.
Even his debut Draw was to an undefeated fighter (now 1-0-2)!
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 12:43
Jonathan Rice is complete utter garbage.
The only useful thing about this fight is to determine whether Michael Coffie is capable of stopping Jonathan Rice, even though the allegedly "fearsome" Efe Ajagba couldn't (less than a year ago during the Nigerian's 19th outing).
For the record, Tony Yoka scored a lop-sided six-round decision victory over Jonathan Rice during the Frenchman's second outing as a pro.
Lopsided? One judge had Yoka winning by a close 58-56 score.
Other previous Jonathan Rice loses (below) demonstrate that he's a more than capable enough opponent vs Coffie.
Demsey McKean : Currently 19-0, 12 KO's
Arslanbek Makhmudov : Currently 11-0, 11 KO's
Stephen Shaw : Currently 14-0, 10 KO's'
Con Sheehan : Currently 6-0
Good post, I didn't see it before I posted my 'discovery' about his competition.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Posted: 01 Aug 2021, 01:43
by lazboy
Really impressed by Rice tonight, he was full of starch. I gather he had spent time simmering away prior to the fight yet didn't overcook.
Coffie was out of beans early on and lacked boldness. It's clear to me that he is not one to pick from the current crop moving forward otherwise I fear he would leave a bitter taste in the mouth. It's difficult to know where to from here but I feel he needs more brewing time.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Posted: 01 Aug 2021, 02:02
by DrDuke
Lol, I lost an interest in it after the opponent had changed to the lower ranked one, especially with the Olympic boxing being on, but here comes the upset. Coffie looked poor. Rice worked on him like on a heavy bag.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Posted: 01 Aug 2021, 03:50
by margaret thatcher
lazboy wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 01:43
Really impressed by Rice tonight, he was full of starch. I gather he had spent time simmering away prior to the fight yet didn't overcook.
Coffie was out of beans early on and lacked boldness. It's clear to me that he is not one to pick from the current crop moving forward otherwise I fear he would leave a bitter taste in the mouth. It's difficult to know where to from here but I feel he needs more brewing time.
Re: Michael Coffie Vs Gerald Washington 31st July
Posted: 01 Aug 2021, 04:51
by funso banjo baby
Anyone who has seen Rice fight will know that he's much better than the record suggests.
