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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 21:37 bjs isnt black so doesnt count as a slick southpaw

'slick' has just become a description for fast. Poor Judah, one of the most consistent modern fighters labeled a failure cus he's a fast, 'slick', black southpaw.

Everyone has "trouble" with fast boxers. Its literally the best attribute

Other than speed, I don't see a particular style that especially troubles Canelo. He's able to cut off the ring exceptional well now so even a fast footed fighter doesn't have a significant advantage i.e BJS, D Jacobs.

Rather than a style, I think it all depends on how intelligent his opponent is inside the ring. And I see very few if none that could match wits with Canelo. Let's look at Beterbiev, we've seen him slug it out and get dropped (Johnson). We've also seen a more steady and patient approach, which was demonstrated in his most meaningful victory i.e Gvozdyk. He also has that extensive amateur career with notable victories over Kovalev. Does Beterbiev have the ring intelligence to beat Canelo? I haven't seen enough of him to say but I'd like to find out.

PS I appreciate my suggesting Beterbiev could be an intelligent fighter might seem ridiculous, as he comes across as a crude brawler.

canelo likes to counter, someone who is accurate and measured with their own output, and also able to stay on the move enough to not get into canelo digging hook/uppercut range, could cause him frustration, by not offering many opportunities to counter and through being able to land themselves............the issue with that type of fighter though, is that it leaves them susceptible to the 'he didnt do enough' type of loss. plus outmatching canelo for accuracy is pretty dang hard too....

as much as ppl make kov out to be a corpse, he was pretty much even with canelo into the 11th....is there is anyone who can box like kov, but with a big extra durability and stamina??

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 22:30 as much as ppl make kov out to be a corpse, he was pretty much even with canelo into the 11th....is there is anyone who can box like kov, but with a big extra durability and stamina??

Probably Bivol.

Yup Bivol is good and young too. Very good fight for Canelo.

I don’t think Canelo is ready for Beterbiev. He has fought a single bout at 175 & against a Kovalev in the twilight of his career. Beterbiev may be older in age but looks like a fighter in his prime. Canelo will not be moving forward against Beterbiev & I don’t see him knocking Beterbiev out. This guy is not your ordinary LHW. He may be one of the greatest ever. He is certainly the best LHW in the world today & he is in his prime. I don’t think Canelo’s handlers will put him in against Beterbiev anytime soon. Bivol is a much better matchup for Canelo

Bivol as we all know is the younger and fresher guy. Great skills, but his style won't beat Canelo. Intetesting fight but he'll lose probably 117-111 on 2 cards, wider on the bought one.
Beterbeiv is a monster on inside fighting, and even at 36 or 37 will be bad news for Canelo in my opinion. Canelo can adjust though. He'll take the lesser risk, guaranteed.

Bandog wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 15:00 Bivol as we all know is the younger and fresher guy. Great skills, but his style won't beat Canelo. Intetesting fight but he'll lose probably 117-111 on 2 cards, wider on the bought one.
Beterbeiv is a monster on inside fighting, and even at 36 or 37 will be bad news for Canelo in my opinion. Canelo can adjust though. He'll take the lesser risk, guaranteed.

I think Canelo would try to box Beterbiev. But yeah it would be a very good fight. The thing with Beterbiev is that the next year he'll be 37 y/o and Canelo 32. Also Beterbiev since he fought Gvozdyk, he didn't have another notable fight to challenge him more. I'd like to see Beterbiev vs Browne or Buatsi.

I think we may not see some unification fights too soon at 175 since everyone wants that big payday from Canelo.

Bandog wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 15:00Beterbeiv is a monster on inside fighting, and even at 36 or 37 will be bad news for Canelo in my opinion. Canelo can adjust though. He'll take the lesser risk, guaranteed.

Beterbiev is a Top Rank/ESPN fighter.

Bivol is a WOB/Matchroom/DAZN fighter.

September 18th is only six weeks away.

The easiest fight to make at short-notice, due to the Mexican predominantly working with Matchroom/DAZN(despite technically being a free agent), is Canelo-Bivol.

There are people, like myself, that believe that Bivol would be a tougher challenge than Beterbiev.

Not because Bivol is better than Beterbiev, but because styles makes fights.

Beterbiev is tailor made for Canelo, whereas Bivol will be very awkward.

I dont think he will fight september. Think its getting bit late, will fight bivol later in the year.

gregregegg wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 04:21 I dont think he will fight september. Think its getting bit late, will fight bivol later in the year.

You could be right.

Bivol has been in training a few weeks already though. And has known he was in contention for the Canelo bout for quite some time.

So it's possible the fight can be made, from a fitness/preparation perspective.

The tight time schedule might be too tough to overcome for the business side of things, but we should know for sure (either way) within the next couple of days.

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 10:31

leftrightleft wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 09:23 Bertibev although is sort of made for Canelo style wise i can see him seriously hurting Canelo because of his size and power that might a bit too much for Canelo.

I don't think so. Canelo has a good defense, he's smart and fast. He's an elite counter puncher with strong neck and chin. He's good at setting traps. Canelo is a gym rat and he's an active fighter. Also he has elite experience. Beterbiev is good and proven but he ain't gonna land too much clean shots on Canelo. Also Beterbiev since he beat Gvozdyk, he didn't fought one top fighter. Another thing that Canelo does good is that he knows how to ride with punches.

The most underrated thing about Canelo is his boxing relation with his trainer. Canelo listens very well what Reynoso says to him and he executes it very well. It's the a strong-old bond.

Beterbiev and Bivol are top-proven champions and the best opponents for Canelo. Benavidez and Charlo are good opponents too but less proven.

I agree with Canelo's level of skill however, he is physically a small man and Beterbiev is a lot bigger. A prime Kovalev would've beaten Canelo and Andre Ward. Canelo is of course one of the best fighters in the world just can see him struggling with Berterbiev i wouldn't be surprised either way.

I'm talking about the nowadays version of Canelo who is active, stronger and he's continuously improving by sharpen his skills in fights. The rest of the fighters 160-175 [maybe excluding Benavidez] are just staying safe waiting to get a payday from Canelo. They would not beat Canelo if they are not trying to fight each other and get better.