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whiskey wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:57

stujones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:48

whiskey wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:32

Spot on post.

Add also the fact that in fight 1, Joshua for the first 2 and bit rounds was boxing well vs Ruiz - it wasn't a punch from the gods I know, but clearly the worst thing Joshua did was hurt Ruiz. I think fight 1 is getting as mythical as Fury vs Klitchsko in that people think it was a clinic by Ruiz - fact is, it was about 2 seconds away from being AJ's dream US debut with pretty "perfect" display and we would all be slagging off Hearn for bringing in a fat late replacement who beat nobody as a pro.

Agreed Stu

AJ apparently used the ‘Froch vs Abraham’ blueprint in the rematch, but it was nothing like.

He was so terrified it was worrying.

AJ was saved by the bell against Usyk too. He is finished now. Shades of David Price coming into his psyche.

Gun shy and timid.

whiskey wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:57

stujones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:48

whiskey wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:32

Spot on post.

Add also the fact that in fight 1, Joshua for the first 2 and bit rounds was boxing well vs Ruiz - it wasn't a punch from the gods I know, but clearly the worst thing Joshua did was hurt Ruiz. I think fight 1 is getting as mythical as Fury vs Klitchsko in that people think it was a clinic by Ruiz - fact is, it was about 2 seconds away from being AJ's dream US debut with pretty "perfect" display and we would all be slagging off Hearn for bringing in a fat late replacement who beat nobody as a pro.

Agreed Stu

AJ apparently used the ‘Froch vs Abraham’ blueprint in the rematch, but it was nothing like.

He was so terrified it was worrying.

AJ was saved by the bell against Usyk too. He is finished now. Shades of David Price coming into his psyche.

Gun shy and timid.

whiskey wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:57

stujones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:48

whiskey wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:32

Spot on post.

Add also the fact that in fight 1, Joshua for the first 2 and bit rounds was boxing well vs Ruiz - it wasn't a punch from the gods I know, but clearly the worst thing Joshua did was hurt Ruiz. I think fight 1 is getting as mythical as Fury vs Klitchsko in that people think it was a clinic by Ruiz - fact is, it was about 2 seconds away from being AJ's dream US debut with pretty "perfect" display and we would all be slagging off Hearn for bringing in a fat late replacement who beat nobody as a pro.

Agreed Stu

AJ apparently used the ‘Froch vs Abraham’ blueprint in the rematch, but it was nothing like.

He was so terrified it was worrying.

AJ was saved by the bell against Usyk too. He is finished now. Shades of David Price coming into his psyche.

Gun shy and timid.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 04:27

whiskey wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:57

stujones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:48

Add also the fact that in fight 1, Joshua for the first 2 and bit rounds was boxing well vs Ruiz - it wasn't a punch from the gods I know, but clearly the worst thing Joshua did was hurt Ruiz. I think fight 1 is getting as mythical as Fury vs Klitchsko in that people think it was a clinic by Ruiz - fact is, it was about 2 seconds away from being AJ's dream US debut with pretty "perfect" display and we would all be slagging off Hearn for bringing in a fat late replacement who beat nobody as a pro.

Agreed Stu

AJ apparently used the ‘Froch vs Abraham’ blueprint in the rematch, but it was nothing like.

He was so terrified it was worrying.

AJ was saved by the bell against Usyk too. He is finished now. Shades of David Price coming into his psyche.

Gun shy and timid.

Sadly I think that's correct, he seems very reluctant now to let his hands go for fear of being countered.

Weirdyman wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 07:55 Anyone see he's been in Virgil Hunter and Eddie Reynoso's gyms? Checking out some new trainers to revitalise him hopefully.

stujones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:48
Add also the fact that in fight 1, Joshua for the first 2 and bit rounds was boxing well vs Ruiz - it wasn't a punch from the gods I know, but clearly the worst thing Joshua did was hurt Ruiz. I think fight 1 is getting as mythical as Fury vs Klitchsko in that people think it was a clinic by Ruiz - fact is, it was about 2 seconds away from being AJ's dream US debut with pretty "perfect" display and we would all be slagging off Hearn for bringing in a fat late replacement who beat nobody as a pro.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 04:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 04:27

whiskey wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:57

Agreed Stu

AJ apparently used the ‘Froch vs Abraham’ blueprint in the rematch, but it was nothing like.

He was so terrified it was worrying.

AJ was saved by the bell against Usyk too. He is finished now. Shades of David Price coming into his psyche.

Gun shy and timid.

Sadly I think that's correct, he seems very reluctant now to let his hands go for fear of being countered.

i think his fear of gassing is as much behind him keeping his hands at home as his fear of being countered

Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 18:26 His best bet would be to just listen to McCracken and not everybody else in his corner.

Weirdyman wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:23

Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 18:26 His best bet would be to just listen to McCracken and not everybody else in his corner.

I think that was half the problem, he wasn't giving him anything

Monzon83 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:54 Reynoso would be interesting for him to work with. Hunter not so much, he seems like somebody who will overcomplicate things which is probably the last thing Joshua needs right now.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:40

Weirdyman wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:23

Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 18:26 His best bet would be to just listen to McCracken and not everybody else in his corner.

I think that was half the problem, he wasn't giving him anything

At the end of the 10th he said "Jab. Jab. Then step to the side."
That was McCracken not "other voices".

Frostieballs wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 10:21

BigDoofus wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:40

Weirdyman wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:23

I think that was half the problem, he wasn't giving him anything

At the end of the 10th he said "Jab. Jab. Then step to the side."
That was McCracken not "other voices".

There are a lot of shouts being attributed to McCracken that weren’t him, but from other less experienced team members.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 10:21

BigDoofus wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:40

Weirdyman wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:23

I think that was half the problem, he wasn't giving him anything

At the end of the 10th he said "Jab. Jab. Then step to the side."
That was McCracken not "other voices".

There are a lot of shouts being attributed to McCracken that weren’t him, but from other less experienced team members.

I didn’t hear this exchange, but he was probably fed up of trying to get his message across.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 22:42

stujones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:48

whiskey wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:32

Spot on post.

Add also the fact that in fight 1, Joshua for the first 2 and bit rounds was boxing well vs Ruiz - it wasn't a punch from the gods I know, but clearly the worst thing Joshua did was hurt Ruiz. I think fight 1 is getting as mythical as Fury vs Klitchsko in that people think it was a clinic by Ruiz - fact is, it was about 2 seconds away from being AJ's dream US debut with pretty "perfect" display and we would all be slagging off Hearn for bringing in a fat late replacement who beat nobody as a pro.

totally agree, aj fought stupid, got wild after hurting ruiz, and then once he was hurt it changed everything. it wasnt ruiz putting on some masterclass from start to finish. aj won the first 2 and then had ruiz down in the 3rd. its why it was easy for me to pick aj in the rematch, as long as he kept it long and measured he was always going to have far too much for ruiz

but vs usyk, usyk really had him from the start, aside from a few of the middle rounds, aj was controlled, outboxed, and by the end even getting a bit of a beating

usyk is someone who has shown elite boxing and discipline his whole career, and as an amateur and wsb fighter too. and the ability to adapt to opponents on the go. ruiz on the other hand doesnt have a single impressive win vs anyone of note, outside the aj fight, and entering that was known mostly for fighting uninspired and out of shape

reversing the result vs usyk is going to be a much tougher challenge than the ruiz 2 was

BigDoofus wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 11:20

Frostieballs wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 10:21

BigDoofus wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:40

At the end of the 10th he said "Jab. Jab. Then step to the side."
That was McCracken not "other voices".

There are a lot of shouts being attributed to McCracken that weren’t him, but from other less experienced team members.

I didn’t hear this exchange, but he was probably fed up of trying to get his message across.

It was clearly McCracken's words at the end of the 10th. No urgency and seemingly wanting Joshua to stay out of harm's way. Perhaps he knew that if Joshua was more aggressive he wouldn't have made the final bell?

BigDoofus wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:40

Weirdyman wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:23

Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 18:26 His best bet would be to just listen to McCracken and not everybody else in his corner.

I think that was half the problem, he wasn't giving him anything

At the end of the 10th he said "Jab. Jab. Then step to the side."
That was McCracken not "other voices".

KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 14:57

BigDoofus wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:40

Weirdyman wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 07:23

I think that was half the problem, he wasn't giving him anything

At the end of the 10th he said "Jab. Jab. Then step to the side."
That was McCracken not "other voices".

I heard that too, and was yelling from the comfort of my couch:
"Just let your bloody hands go you pussy !!"

I was pretty into it

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 13:48

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 22:42

stujones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 17:48

Add also the fact that in fight 1, Joshua for the first 2 and bit rounds was boxing well vs Ruiz - it wasn't a punch from the gods I know, but clearly the worst thing Joshua did was hurt Ruiz. I think fight 1 is getting as mythical as Fury vs Klitchsko in that people think it was a clinic by Ruiz - fact is, it was about 2 seconds away from being AJ's dream US debut with pretty "perfect" display and we would all be slagging off Hearn for bringing in a fat late replacement who beat nobody as a pro.

totally agree, aj fought stupid, got wild after hurting ruiz, and then once he was hurt it changed everything. it wasnt ruiz putting on some masterclass from start to finish. aj won the first 2 and then had ruiz down in the 3rd. its why it was easy for me to pick aj in the rematch, as long as he kept it long and measured he was always going to have far too much for ruiz

but vs usyk, usyk really had him from the start, aside from a few of the middle rounds, aj was controlled, outboxed, and by the end even getting a bit of a beating

usyk is someone who has shown elite boxing and discipline his whole career, and as an amateur and wsb fighter too. and the ability to adapt to opponents on the go. ruiz on the other hand doesnt have a single impressive win vs anyone of note, outside the aj fight, and entering that was known mostly for fighting uninspired and out of shape

reversing the result vs usyk is going to be a much tougher challenge than the ruiz 2 was

The problem is, Usyk can probably win utilising two or three approaches.