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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 07:51

Evander wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 05:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 04:58 Teo was weight drained.

He either learns to manage his weight better or he moves to a heavier weight class.

Teo looked fine to me.
He looked physically the bigger and stronger fighter.

Don't give me weight excuses he looked perfectly ok.

No excuses. Teo's struggles with his weight were heavily discussed by the media during fight week.

I can easily provide lots of links to articles from various media sources proving this.

In fact, anyone that knows how to use Google can find them within seconds.

I'm not intentionally undermining Kambosos' fine victory, but no one can seriously pretend that Teo wasn't weight drained and that it wasn't being discussed during fight-week.

And don’t forget, there’s two ways you can perceive the situation, either Kambosos defeated a weakened Lopez, or Teofimo’s lack of discipline to manage his own weight caused his own demise.

It's up to you whether you agree with the former or the latter, but regardless, you can’t seriously pretend that Teo's issues with his weight weren't heavily-discussed by the media during fight week.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 09:27

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 07:51

Evander wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 05:44
Teo looked fine to me.
He looked physically the bigger and stronger fighter.

Don't give me weight excuses he looked perfectly ok.

No excuses. Teo's struggles with his weight were heavily discussed by the media during fight week.

I can easily provide lots of links to articles from various media sources proving this.

In fact, anyone that knows how to use Google can find them within seconds.

I'm not intentionally undermining Kambosos' fine victory, but no one can seriously pretend that Teo wasn't weight drained and that it wasn't being discussed during fight-week.

And don’t forget, there’s two ways you can perceive the situation, either Kambosos defeated a weakened Lopez, or Teofimo’s lack of discipline to manage his own weight caused his own demise.

It's up to you whether you agree with the former or the latter, but regardless, you can’t seriously pretend that Teo's issues with his weight weren't heavily-discussed by the media during fight week.

Or you can go "Wow Kambosos beat a welterweight weight bully at lightweight.". This is nonsense man. If the dude couldn't fight at lw then he should have moved up. This weight nonsense talk doesn't diminish the severity of the loss or the victory. Acctually in a sane world nobody would hold this loss against Teo since Teo has now participated in two back to back great fights. Looks like he is becoming a sure thing for a great fight, I think that I'm more interested really in seeing who Teo fights next than Kam regardless of who won.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 10:33

H8Usernames wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 09:27

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 07:51
No excuses. Teo's struggles with his weight were heavily discussed by the media during fight week.

I can easily provide lots of links to articles from various media sources proving this.

In fact, anyone that knows how to use Google can find them within seconds.

I'm not intentionally undermining Kambosos' fine victory, but no one can seriously pretend that Teo wasn't weight drained and that it wasn't being discussed during fight-week.

And don’t forget, there’s two ways you can perceive the situation, either Kambosos defeated a weakened Lopez, or Teofimo’s lack of discipline to manage his own weight caused his own demise.

It's up to you whether you agree with the former or the latter, but regardless, you can’t seriously pretend that Teo's issues with his weight weren't heavily-discussed by the media during fight week.

Or you can go "Wow Kambosos beat a welterweight weight bully at lightweight.". This is nonsense man. If the dude couldn't fight at lw then he should have moved up. This weight nonsense talk doesn't diminish the severity of the loss or the victory. Acctually in a sane world nobody would hold this loss against Teo since Teo has now participated in two back to back great fights. Looks like he is becoming a sure thing for a great fight, I think that I'm more interested really in seeing who Teo fights next than Kam regardless of who won.

A weight drained fighter cannot perform optimally.

Teo’s weight issues were discussed before his loss.

Those are two facts you can’t refute.

Kambosos beat Lopez and deserves praise for doing so. He did what he had to do, beating the man he was matched against.

But Teo was weight drained. And his weight issues have been discussed by this forum on numerous occasions.

slappy wrote: ↑28 Nov 2021, 23:49 The hard for Teo is that the fighters at 140 do what Kambosos does but even better.

Kam gave him fits with speed, funky angles and timing. Taylor is like a better version of Kam. And Prog is basically all angles but with power.

None of it may matter if the weight drain was the big factor. But I suspect the fighters at 140 may give him trouble.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 14:00

slappy wrote: ↑28 Nov 2021, 23:49 The hard for Teo is that the fighters at 140 do what Kambosos does but even better.

Kam gave him fits with speed, funky angles and timing. Taylor is like a better version of Kam. And Prog is basically all angles but with power.

None of it may matter if the weight drain was the big factor. But I suspect the fighters at 140 may give him trouble.

Totally agree.
That extra 5 pounds isn't going to help Teo against the likes of Taylor or Prograis.
Taylor was not shy in saying how hard Reggie hits.

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 15:42 What makes the most sense to me is Prograis. A win would set up a fight with Taylor.

Fightdoctor wrote: ↑28 Nov 2021, 16:48

H8Usernames wrote: ↑28 Nov 2021, 15:46 I think that he should fight Ryan Garcia or Danny Garcia. Both would be interesting fights.

Danny Garcia is a welterweight who after losing to Spence is considering moving up to 154lbs. Ryan Garcia is still on the shrink's couch. Who knows when or if he will box again. And I don't think he would take a fight at 140lbs against the recent undisputed lightweight champ in his first fight back, especially since he hasn't fought any top guys at lightweight. I would mind seeing Teo fight Mikey Garcia. Loser retires.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 15:49

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 15:42 What makes the most sense to me is Prograis. A win would set up a fight with Taylor.

Reggie is working his way back to a rematch with Taylor, that seems to be his whole focus.
I doubt he has much interest in Lopez unless it's a big money offer that doesn't impinge on his mandatory availability for Taylor. No way does Lopez bring that sort of money now.
Lopez will be dropped like a cold potato, imagine what a nightmare him and his dad are to deal with right now?

caldo2025 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2021, 11:11 Teo SHOULD still be undefeated and SHOULD still have the mad buzz that he had following him for the last 2 years. There’s no doubt in my mind that had he approached this fight correctly and respectfully, he would have clearly beaten GK.

His decision to come out like that in Rnd 1 and to make his prediction (& personal bets I’m sure)come true was so foolish. Especially after struggling to make the weight, if he doesn’t get him out of there, that then makes the night ten times harder. How he finished that fight is pretty stunning to me bc those are the types of decisions that end in KO. His defense was gone for rest of fight and his face showed the effects of that. GK is a pro boxer. You can’t be that ignorant with a solid pro and get away with it.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2021, 11:11 Teo SHOULD still be undefeated and SHOULD still have the mad buzz that he had following him for the last 2 years. There’s no doubt in my mind that had he approached this fight correctly and respectfully, he would have clearly beaten GK.

His decision to come out like that in Rnd 1 and to make his prediction (& personal bets I’m sure)come true was so foolish. Especially after struggling to make the weight, if he doesn’t get him out of there, that then makes the night ten times harder. How he finished that fight is pretty stunning to me bc those are the types of decisions that end in KO. His defense was gone for rest of fight and his face showed the effects of that. GK is a pro boxer. You can’t be that ignorant with a solid pro and get away with it.

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 Nov 2021, 12:49

caldo2025 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2021, 11:11 Teo SHOULD still be undefeated and SHOULD still have the mad buzz that he had following him for the last 2 years. There’s no doubt in my mind that had he approached this fight correctly and respectfully, he would have clearly beaten GK.

His decision to come out like that in Rnd 1 and to make his prediction (& personal bets I’m sure)come true was so foolish. Especially after struggling to make the weight, if he doesn’t get him out of there, that then makes the night ten times harder. How he finished that fight is pretty stunning to me bc those are the types of decisions that end in KO. His defense was gone for rest of fight and his face showed the effects of that. GK is a pro boxer. You can’t be that ignorant with a solid pro and get away with it.

Well said.

If Teo wants to be successful in boxing going forward he needs to grow up fast, restructure his team, respect the art of boxing, and focus on the fight in front of him. That is a daunting set of tasks given Teo’s maturity level at this time.

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Nov 2021, 09:56

KiwiRider wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 15:49

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 15:42 What makes the most sense to me is Prograis. A win would set up a fight with Taylor.

Reggie is working his way back to a rematch with Taylor, that seems to be his whole focus.
I doubt he has much interest in Lopez unless it's a big money offer that doesn't impinge on his mandatory availability for Taylor. No way does Lopez bring that sort of money now.
Lopez will be dropped like a cold potato, imagine what a nightmare him and his dad are to deal with right now?

Didn't Prograis offer to replace Tank's opponent a few months back? Doesnt seem like he's taking a safe route. Tank may be the best at 135, despite no belt.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 07:51

Evander wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 05:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2021, 04:58 Teo was weight drained.

He either learns to manage his weight better or he moves to a heavier weight class.

Teo looked fine to me.
He looked physically the bigger and stronger fighter.

Don't give me weight excuses he looked perfectly ok.

No excuses. Teo's struggles with his weight were heavily discussed by the media during fight week.

I can easily provide lots of links to articles from various media sources proving this.

In fact, anyone that knows how to use Google can find them within seconds.

I'm not intentionally undermining Kambosos' fine victory, but no one can seriously pretend that Teo wasn't weight drained and that it wasn't being discussed during fight-week.

And don’t forget, there’s two ways you can perceive the situation, either Kambosos defeated a weakened Lopez, or Teofimo’s lack of discipline to manage his own weight caused his own demise.

It's up to you whether you agree with the former or the latter, but regardless, you can’t seriously pretend that Teo's issues with his weight weren't heavily-discussed by the media during fight week.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑01 Dec 2021, 06:23 I'm surprised that more people aren't calling for a Mikey Garcia vs Teofimo Lopez fight. Mikey has gone his whole career without a signature win practically but looks like quality, his loss at ww showed that it's not the right division for him and that he should head back down. Teo has participated in two of the most entertaining fights put on lately so win lose or draw vs Mikey it would probably be a great event to watch and with a win Teo would establish himself as someone to beat at jrww.

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Dec 2021, 07:05

H8Usernames wrote: ↑01 Dec 2021, 06:23 I'm surprised that more people aren't calling for a Mikey Garcia vs Teofimo Lopez fight. Mikey has gone his whole career without a signature win practically but looks like quality, his loss at ww showed that it's not the right division for him and that he should head back down. Teo has participated in two of the most entertaining fights put on lately so win lose or draw vs Mikey it would probably be a great event to watch and with a win Teo would establish himself as someone to beat at jrww.

Hardly Teo or any other top fighter will take a risk of facing Garcia after Mikey's recent hiatus and a loss. Teo will want the shot at the upper weight instead.