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tonyevs wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 04:51 Fury has had a great career no doubt; he is mostly recognised as the top heavy today based on beating a terrible title holder 2/3 times, and the next dominant heavyweight losing to big underdogs.

The win against an ancient Wlad may look good on paper - but it's hard to overlook that Fury was the only person who couldn't stop Wlad out of all Wlads past and future losses; the fight was so boring and terrible to watch that the UK media hardly mentioned it .. John Fury identifying that as a reason why Tyson went off the rails.

The Wallin fight for me shows Fury's real level. Those mythical skills were not evident against the guy chosen to give little resistance. Fury had to resort to crudely using his huge mass to smother Wallin.

Then Wilder. Enough has been said about Wilders lack of skill. Fury's biggest fan points to the 2nd Wilder fight as proof of Fury's greatness/skills .. yet Fury had an opponent falling over on spaghetti legs from the 4th round .. yet couldn't put any sort of organised offence together to get him out if there until he was practically out on his feet. Once again just crudely using his mass to wear a pathetic looking opponent down.
The 3rd wilder fight was exciting in the same way as 2 drunks outside a pub would be; there was as little skill shown by both guys also.

This generation of heavies have undoubtedly been the worse. Fury just so happens to be probably the best of a bad bunch .. probably; because he first needs to fight Joshua and Usyk to actually prove it.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 05:09 aside from the fact that being a 'mental health ambassador' is irrelevant to his record, what even makes someone an ambassador for mental health these days

like if i have mental health problems and get over them and accomplish stuff, am i am ambassador even if throughout this time i talked non-stop sh!t about people and said insulting, biggoted things of a nature that is often damaging to people's mental health?

He fights any style, can adapt, can punch, has a tremendous chin….

Dioufy wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 05:44 Fury has had a strange career indeed. From getting beat off McDermott to being one of the best heavies to ever live is insane.
His career has always been in the limelight because of his name and height.
He fights any style, can adapt, can punch, has a tremendous chin…. Anyone remember the Rogan fight fighting lefties? And he has heart and desire even when he’s clearly not been the most dedicated.
His record isn’t a whose who of great fighters but that doesn’t detract from his talents. Does he have a better record on paper than some other heavies? No. Is he far better? Yes.

tonyevs wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 06:05

He fights any style, can adapt, can punch, has a tremendous chin….

Your on the wind-up obviously.

I know Mick confirmed what a lot of people suspected; that he was on the wind-up or on the beer when he was making the ridiculous comments of Fury's imagined attributes .. copying that now is very unoriginal and basically trolling.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 06:06

Dioufy wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 05:44 Fury has had a strange career indeed. From getting beat off McDermott to being one of the best heavies to ever live is insane.
His career has always been in the limelight because of his name and height.
He fights any style, can adapt, can punch, has a tremendous chin…. Anyone remember the Rogan fight fighting lefties? And he has heart and desire even when he’s clearly not been the most dedicated.
His record isn’t a whose who of great fighters but that doesn’t detract from his talents. Does he have a better record on paper than some other heavies? No. Is he far better? Yes.

The McDermott fight adds to his record. It was a close fight, so he said, immediately afterwards "we will have a rematch then", and gave him one, which he stopped him in. It was his 8th fight and he was the away fighter and 21 years old! John had just given a peak Danny Williams nightmares.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 06:22 i think no one forgets he beat chizzy, the rematch was one of the worst fights ive seen, granted one of the most one sided jobs anyones done on del

Dioufy wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 06:17

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 06:06

Dioufy wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 05:44 Fury has had a strange career indeed. From getting beat off McDermott to being one of the best heavies to ever live is insane.
His career has always been in the limelight because of his name and height.
He fights any style, can adapt, can punch, has a tremendous chin…. Anyone remember the Rogan fight fighting lefties? And he has heart and desire even when he’s clearly not been the most dedicated.
His record isn’t a whose who of great fighters but that doesn’t detract from his talents. Does he have a better record on paper than some other heavies? No. Is he far better? Yes.

The McDermott fight adds to his record. It was a close fight, so he said, immediately afterwards "we will have a rematch then", and gave him one, which he stopped him in. It was his 8th fight and he was the away fighter and 21 years old! John had just given a peak Danny Williams nightmares.

He lost the first fight and I think the ref was O’Connor; 98-92 was definitely up there with one of the worst scores I’ve ever seen.
But he did what he did and stopped McDermott later; I forgot he was still so young at the time!
People also forget Tyson beating an undefeated, very hungry Del-Boy…. Twice!

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 07:09 bruh, it was dreadful. it ticks all the boxes for sucking pretty much

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 07:10

Dioufy wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 06:17

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 06:06
The McDermott fight adds to his record. It was a close fight, so he said, immediately afterwards "we will have a rematch then", and gave him one, which he stopped him in. It was his 8th fight and he was the away fighter and 21 years old! John had just given a peak Danny Williams nightmares.

He lost the first fight and I think the ref was O’Connor; 98-92 was definitely up there with one of the worst scores I’ve ever seen.
But he did what he did and stopped McDermott later; I forgot he was still so young at the time!
People also forget Tyson beating an undefeated, very hungry Del-Boy…. Twice!

He won. Check his record! I agree, he probably should have lost, but facts are facts, he won. It was a very good fight.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 04:41 funny enough i think charlie martin could beat almost everyone wilder and fury have beaten. he's fighting luiz ortiz next week, presumably the ortiz ppl claim is a bit of a beast should smaash him, but you never know.

reminds me that brezeale was called a soft first defense for 2.5 year pro aj, yet then dudes hyped wilder for beating him after 11 years and 40+ fights pro. still one of the best 3 guys big deon's beaten, barely top 10 for josh

but anyway, fury's record defo doesnt stink. hes got a couple very high quality wins that are probably the best pair of the last 20 years. id put him ahead of wlad, aj, wilder and josh for now. but he's missing a key component of a real great for me, which is that consistent streak against good opposition, showing that he can stay around and regularly turn back leading contenders.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 07:46 If I remember correctly, Tyson had a much harder time in the middle rounds of the rematch. He was done, but bit down on his gumshield and came through. Brilliant experience at that age. He was completely gassed.

gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 04:32

DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 03:22 Fury dethroned Klitschko, while Klitschko was the longtime man and a heavy favorite against everyone. Fury beat Wilder, when Wilder was a one of the two main candidates for #1 position. It's ridiculous how people start to disvalue someone after losing.

Anyway, the OP is even beyond that. Mentioning Abell, Schwarz, Pianeta and Seferi, while not mentioning Chisora and Wallin. Also, Cunningham and even Kevin Johnson at that point were better than Abell, Schwarz, Pianeta and Seferi.

Fury still has something to prove, but the others have even more.

Everyones resume is easy to pick a part but furys is particularly easy.

-Klit was 39 and never won again.
-Wilder has been questioned by many forever, i still have no idea if he is good or not, i think honestly his value has gone up to most since the fighting Fury.
-Chisora is his 3rd best opponent, decent enough but not great.
-Wallin is still not proven, he was an absolute noone when he fough Fury, it was a gross tune up, he only got his fame because he cut fury.

Wouldent mention cunningham as a resume saver, he had lost 3 of his last 4 going into the fury fight. And kingpin, while pre punchinig bag era, was not showing shades of ali...

Fury is probably the best heavyweight of the era. he even might be favourite vs any heavyweight of any era. But its not backed in great resume.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 06:09

tonyevs wrote: ↑27 Dec 2021, 06:05

He fights any style, can adapt, can punch, has a tremendous chin….

Your on the wind-up obviously.

I know Mick confirmed what a lot of people suspected; that he was on the wind-up or on the beer when he was making the ridiculous comments of Fury's imagined attributes .. copying that now is very unoriginal and basically trolling.

But he has got a remarkable chin. Larry Holmes went down like Tyson but only gets praise for his recupertive powers. He can box in either stance and front or back foot. Every single boxer he has fought or sparred say you can't prepare for him because he can do everything. Are they all winding you up?