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Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Derek Chisora - Offer Made

Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 15:18
by Dioufy
Pretty obvious Ruiz chasing Ortiz.
Chisora should be going in with Johnny Fisher.

Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Derek Chisora - Offer Made

Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 16:38
by Coco
Dioufy wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 15:18 Pretty obvious Ruiz chasing Ortiz.
Chisora should be going in with Johnny Fisher.
I think Chisora would be 3 years too soon for Fisher

Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Derek Chisora - Offer Made

Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 16:45
by Dioufy
Coco wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 16:38
Dioufy wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 15:18 Pretty obvious Ruiz chasing Ortiz.
Chisora should be going in with Johnny Fisher.
I think Chisora would be 3 years too soon for Fisher
He wanted Wallin a few months back did Johnny Boy. What’s with the wait? Fisher looked shite last time and Derek has lost his last 3. The excitement of this fight and Derek’s come forward nature might suit Fisher more. It would be good to see where he’s at and this would be a good barometer.
I know it won’t happen.
Would be a good 50/50 and heaven forbid Delboy wins then Fisher comes back from a learning experience.
I struggle to believe why so many people are against 50/50s or thereabouts early in a prospects career.
Best thing that can happen to a pro is to lose on the debut and get that zero-syndrome out of your system ala Lomachenko, Hopkins, ect,

Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Derek Chisora - Offer Made

Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 16:49
by Coco
Dioufy wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 16:45
Coco wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 16:38
Dioufy wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 15:18 Pretty obvious Ruiz chasing Ortiz.
Chisora should be going in with Johnny Fisher.
I think Chisora would be 3 years too soon for Fisher
He wanted Wallin a few months back did Johnny Boy. What’s with the wait? Fisher looked shite last time and Derek has lost his last 3. The excitement of this fight and Derek’s come forward nature might suit Fisher more. It would be good to see where he’s at and this would be a good barometer.
I know it won’t happen.
Would be a good 50/50 and heaven forbid Delboy wins then Fisher comes back from a learning experience.
I struggle to believe why so many people are against 50/50s or thereabouts early in a prospects career.
Best thing that can happen to a pro is to lose on the debut and get that zero-syndrome out of your system ala Lomachenko, Hopkins, ect,
Is Fisher a prospect? I doubt he would last a round against Chisora at the moment.

Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Derek Chisora - Offer Made

Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 16:49
by Controversial
Dioufy wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 15:18
Chisora should be going in with Johnny Fisher.
Way way too early for someone as green as Fisher, he's only had 5 fights against novices and done one 6 rounder.

Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Derek Chisora - Offer Made

Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 17:07
by margaret thatcher
Dioufy wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 16:45
Coco wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 16:38
Dioufy wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 15:18 Pretty obvious Ruiz chasing Ortiz.
Chisora should be going in with Johnny Fisher.
I think Chisora would be 3 years too soon for Fisher
He wanted Wallin a few months back did Johnny Boy. What’s with the wait? Fisher looked shite last time and Derek has lost his last 3. The excitement of this fight and Derek’s come forward nature might suit Fisher more. It would be good to see where he’s at and this would be a good barometer.
I know it won’t happen.
Would be a good 50/50 and heaven forbid Delboy wins then Fisher comes back from a learning experience.
I struggle to believe why so many people are against 50/50s or thereabouts early in a prospects career.
Best thing that can happen to a pro is to lose on the debut and get that zero-syndrome out of your system ala Lomachenko, Hopkins, ect,
it's not a 50-50, del is fading but he;d still beat the brakes off fisher

Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Derek Chisora - Offer Made

Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 17:15
by Dioufy
If Derek smashes Fisher now then Fisher’s going nowhere in his career.
I’m not making him favourite but there’s no issue with rolling the dice to me.
Better than him fighting “Spanish national champions” when there’s only 1 active listed fighter,
Ruiz fight won’t happen. He will get much more fighting for PBC against Ortiz than what Matchroom gives him.
Who does Derek fight next then? Realistically.
Babic? Okolie?

Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Derek Chisora - Offer Made

Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 17:32
by joshj909
Dioufy wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 17:15 If Derek smashes Fisher now then Fisher’s going nowhere in his career.
I’m not making him favourite but there’s no issue with rolling the dice to me.
Better than him fighting “Spanish national champions” when there’s only 1 active listed fighter,
Ruiz fight won’t happen. He will get much more fighting for PBC against Ortiz than what Matchroom gives him.
Who does Derek fight next then? Realistically.
Babic? Okolie?
I think Chisora would still beat Babic and can beat better than him. If Eddie was confident in his man then he could put him against Wardley but I think Chisora could steamroll him. I'd prefer Okolie to face Briedis but if he's moving up to Heavyweight then Chisora is a good first test. It would be way too early for Fisher, who I don't see reaching World level even in his prime.

Other good options outside of the Matchroom scene would be trying to avenge his loss to Helenius or face a fringe contender like Wallin, Hughie, Martin or Kownacki. They're less likely I suppose.

Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Derek Chisora - Offer Made

Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 17:43
by Dioufy
joshj909 wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 17:32
Dioufy wrote: 24 Mar 2022, 17:15 If Derek smashes Fisher now then Fisher’s going nowhere in his career.
I’m not making him favourite but there’s no issue with rolling the dice to me.
Better than him fighting “Spanish national champions” when there’s only 1 active listed fighter,
Ruiz fight won’t happen. He will get much more fighting for PBC against Ortiz than what Matchroom gives him.
Who does Derek fight next then? Realistically.
Babic? Okolie?
I think Chisora would still beat Babic and can beat better than him. If Eddie was confident in his man then he could put him against Wardley but I think Chisora could steamroll him. I'd prefer Okolie to face Briedis but if he's moving up to Heavyweight then Chisora is a good first test. It would be way too early for Fisher, who I don't see reaching World level even in his prime.

Other good options outside of the Matchroom scene would be trying to avenge his loss to Helenius or face a fringe contender like Wallin, Hughie, Martin or Kownacki. They're less likely I suppose.
Good post.
I might be throwing Fisher in the deep-end but this plodding version of Derek isn’t very good.
He gasses early, swings wildly and if he wasn’t a nutter he’d be retired with dementia.
Derek should now be a gate-keeper for up and comers.. not calling out top 10 ranked heavyweights.
Fisher likely going no where but he should be able to tangle with Derek if he’s as good as we are being told.

Therein lies the issue.