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jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑25 Sep 2022, 17:17 I actually thought GGG won the 2nd more clearly than the first, he was hitting canelo with that jab all night long.

Yeah, but Canelo scored more power shots.

DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 01:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑25 Sep 2022, 17:17 I actually thought GGG won the 2nd more clearly than the first, he was hitting canelo with that jab all night long.

Yeah, but Canelo scored more power shots.

I am aware of that, but I felt golovkin controlled the fight with the jab. Landing more power shots doesn't automatically win you the fight,

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 03:14

DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 01:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑25 Sep 2022, 17:17 I actually thought GGG won the 2nd more clearly than the first, he was hitting canelo with that jab all night long.

Yeah, but Canelo scored more power shots.

I am aware of that, but I felt golovkin controlled the fight with the jab. Landing more power shots doesn't automatically win you the fight,

Didn't look as control to me. If Golovkin made Canelo uneffective with that jab, I'd call that control. Golovkin clearly controlled the first bout, he dictated the action. The second one was toe-to-toe with multiple shifts of momentum.

DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 03:38

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 03:14

DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 01:33

Yeah, but Canelo scored more power shots.

I am aware of that, but I felt golovkin controlled the fight with the jab. Landing more power shots doesn't automatically win you the fight,

Didn't look as control to me. If Golovkin made Canelo uneffective with that jab, I'd call that control. Golovkin clearly controlled the first bout, he dictated the action. The second one was toe-to-toe with multiple shifts of momentum.

Well, these things are subjective.

It's a while since I watched the fight, maybe I will watch again and score it.

If your jab is effective you are not getting hit back with clean power shots.
There is nothing subjective about that.
An effective jab ruins everything the other guy is trying to do.
If he's still hitting you clean, the jab isn't effective.

Perseus wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 19:07 If your jab is effective you are not getting hit back with clean power shots.
There is nothing subjective about that.
An effective jab ruins everything the other guy is trying to do.
If he's still hitting you clean, the jab isn't effective.

Exactly. Golovkin's effort was way more impressive in terms of quantity other than quality.

- Surprised all you Clen experts ain't sussed out Canelo's new sparse scarecrow look for this 3rd fight as opposed to his blocky, muscled look in previous fights. I vaguely recall him saying he's gone Vegan, meaning now he got Timmy Bradley power instead of Canelo power for his last two fights. Can anyone confirm?

Overview both some of my favs, so I hate when my favs fight each other when they should be knocking out the bad guy runner/stinkers and loser/leakers.

1st fight Canelo by 1 point, so anytime I can get that close to the official result, it's like drawing aces. Mind I score even rounds 0-0 and most rounds were even. Fantastic stylistic matchup when Canelo chose to walk around the rampaging GGG who couldn't get set to punch while walking him into hard counters. Since I'm not drunk betting large wads on fighters, I usually ain't the one screaming like a two year old when my fighter don't win all the even rounds, but maybe you boys can be excused by the plant of the Byrd card. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, ie your wads!

2nd fight Canelo by 5 points. Loeffler and GGG blew by helping the TUE enabling Vegas commish suspend Canelo for ghost nanograms of Clen in the middle of testing. Canelo the only fighter of note to volunteer hair follicles for drug testing that came up negative. Never failed a drug test as he results were consistent with local food contamination consistent with most every point on the globe because of the propensity of you boys' drug use.

Canelo takes ring center for most of the fight knocking GGG away repeatedly, King of the Mountain pay back stuff. Bored, he replicates the last few rounds like his first fight model, walking GGG around setting up hard counters. Not so many even rounds this one, the best of the trilogy.

Net result: Canelo goes on a rare p4p tear chewing up fighters while GGG looking distinctly tubby and lost in space though his power pulls him through.

3rd fight for the money with both diminished. Canelo took the lead and never let it go though GGG tried some bumrushing the last few rounds. GGG past his sell date and Canelo with his vegan cuisine approaching his, obviously more interested in cruising his yacht like Carlos Slim and the rest of the big shots like he's become

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑27 Sep 2022, 23:51 - Surprised all you Clen experts ain't sussed out Canelo's new sparse scarecrow look for this 3rd fight as opposed to his blocky, muscled look in previous fights. I vaguely recall him saying he's gone Vegan, meaning now he got Timmy Bradley power instead of Canelo power for his last two fights. Can anyone confirm?

Yes, that's the obvious conclusion to draw, when somebody's bodyshape changes dramatically in a relatively short period of time, that fighter must have made some dietary changes, it must almost certainly be his sudden veganism that has meant he lost a significant amount of muscle from his frame.

JCS wrote: ↑20 Sep 2022, 01:12 114-114
114-114
116-112 Canelo

Seriously? I had GGG winning wide in first fight, but one round in 2nd (but a draw is fine). The 3rd is irrelevant.

I think people forget, GGG was 35 when they first fought.

pound per pound wrote: ↑20 Sep 2022, 10:48

gregregegg wrote: ↑19 Sep 2022, 21:23 I think it was about

1-ggg 116-112

2- ggg 115-114

3- canelo 116-114

All these could wiggle significantly due to many close rounds in the first 2 and many nothing rounds on the third.

But GGG first, canelo 3rd is certain for me.

I like these cards. Too bad they aren' official cards.

Agree, but I thought Canelo won the 3rd wider.

Loki wrote: ↑01 Oct 2022, 06:10

JCS wrote: ↑20 Sep 2022, 01:12 114-114
114-114
116-112 Canelo

Seriously? I had GGG winning wide in first fight, but one round in 2nd (but a draw is fine). The 3rd is irrelevant.

I think people forget, GGG was 35 when they first fought.

Yeh. First one was definitely a GGG win. I respect other posters scorecards. Maybe he only watched it once and live. I really don’t like re-scoring fights. I don’t get fazed with noise or commentary etc.