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It's not where the title is win - but quality of fighter they beat.

Wlad was right at the end - Fury stank the place out (Wlad did his bit too) and did just enough to win .. Fury is the only person to beat Wlad who was unable to stop him ..
Wilder has not beaten anyone of note. The Buck Smith of the heavyweight division.

si7dog7 wrote: ↑14 Jul 2023, 18:35 So where does Fury really rate in the pantheon of Heavyweight Champions?

I’m not a “hater”” because. Fairs, fair. He beat Wlad in Germany. Wlad not in my top 20 tbf. And on a big decline.

He’s beaten the biggest puncher “ever” in Wilder, 2.5 times.

Other than that. Chisora x 3.

And……. Not much else

I got him about top 60 l

I’d dispute wlad Was “on a huge decline”.

Joshua ko’d Wlad in his very next fight. Probably landed more punches in 2 rounds than Fury did in the entire fight. Does that make AJ an ATG?

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 07:56 Joshua ko’d Wlad in his very next fight. Probably landed more punches in 2 rounds than Fury did in the entire fight. Does that make AJ an ATG?

No. Wlad broke that night in Düsseldorf.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 08:02

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 07:56 Joshua ko’d Wlad in his very next fight. Probably landed more punches in 2 rounds than Fury did in the entire fight. Does that make AJ an ATG?

No. Wlad broke that night in Düsseldorf.

Mentally?

He definitely took more damage against AJ.

I see Joshua's little muppet gang are out in force talking crap about Fury vs Ngannou fight. The outcome of August 12th will be interesting.


Fury is winning the Hearts and Minds of the people and the rivals are doing everything to discredit him.


Fury has Klitschko and Wilder on his resume which clearly surpasses that other fellow (Name in America aswell)unlike someone.

quickeyg wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 08:10
Fury is winning the Hearts and Minds of the people and the rivals are doing everything to discredit him.

My point proven

quickeyg wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 08:24 My point proven

How old are you? Genuine question

You need to relax, have a smoke and enjoy the weekend. Don't be so butt hurt. Just concentrate on your idol next month.

quickeyg wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 08:32 You need to relax, have a smoke and enjoy the weekend. Don't be so butt hurt. Just concentrate on your idol next month.

I asked a sincere question, if your a kid or retarded it would explain a lot

The way femi talks, that boy got a problem every time he's interviewed. He been reading too many prepared sports institute scripts - in the end it just doesn't come out right.

quickeyg wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 08:43 The way femi talks, that boy got a problem every time he's interviewed. He been reading too many prepared sports institute scripts - in the end it just doesn't come out right.

Joshua's team offered Wilder a contract that is fact, ask Deontay, he admitted it

Joshua signed to fight Fury before the gypsy king backed out, also fact, before we talk about him being tied up to fight Wilder a third time and arbitrations etc, ask yourself why Fury poo poo'd the idea of Matchroom an the Saudis doing a deal for months in the lead up until the EXACT same day the arbitratior ruled in Wilder's favour when all of a sudden Fury suddenly come around to wanting to fight AJ, only an idiot would believe that Fury would announce the Joshua fight the very same day as the ruling went against him, not to mention offering Wilder step aside money was never an option, Arum admitted as such

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 03:01 How many won their title away from home (twice), climed off the deck to win, dethroned a peak, undefeated knockout artist and were big underdogs in their attempts?

Knock getting knocked down is far more impressive than getting off the deck.

Fury is a proven drugs cheat and that means his legacy will be forever tarnished by that. He didn't feel confident enough in his own abilities, that he had to revert to cheating.

1194265 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:07

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 03:01 How many won their title away from home (twice), climed off the deck to win, dethroned a peak, undefeated knockout artist and were big underdogs in their attempts?

Knock getting knocked down is far more impressive than getting off the deck.

Good point. How many above him have never been dropped?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:20

1194265 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:07

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 03:01 How many won their title away from home (twice), climed off the deck to win, dethroned a peak, undefeated knockout artist and were big underdogs in their attempts?

Knock getting knocked down is far more impressive than getting off the deck.

Good point. How many above him have never been dropped?

Being dropped by people as terrible as Neven Pajkic is something really special and so is (consensus) losing to John McDermott. Ass that to the cheating and what have ya got? Not a lot.

Your man Femi rumoured to have taken T.U.E.S

quickeyg wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:28 Your man Femi rumoured to have taken T.U.E.S

No one is my man., And I deal in facts, not rumours.

1194265 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:28

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:20

1194265 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:07

Knock getting knocked down is far more impressive than getting off the deck.

Good point. How many above him have never been dropped?

Being dropped by people as terrible as Neven Pajkic is something really special and so is (consensus) losing to John McDermott. Ass that to the cheating and what have ya got? Not a lot.

A few posts ago winning a rematch in a devasting fashion was a sure sign of a ATG.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:40

1194265 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:28

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:20
Good point. How many above him have never been dropped?

Being dropped by people as terrible as Neven Pajkic is something really special and so is (consensus) losing to John McDermott. Ass that to the cheating and what have ya got? Not a lot.

A few posts ago winning a rematch in a devasting fashion was a sure sign of a ATG.

Luke Fury, your idol, cheated his way to the top and now fights a debutant in a real boxing match, not an exhibition. How very proud you must be.

In cycling he’d be more a Marco Pantani, than a Lance Armstrong.

si7dog7 wrote: ↑14 Jul 2023, 18:35 So where does Fury really rate in the pantheon of Heavyweight Champions?

I’m not a “hater”” because. Fairs, fair. He beat Wlad in Germany. Wlad not in my top 20 tbf. And on a big decline.

He’s beaten the biggest puncher “ever” in Wilder, 2.5 times.

Other than that. Chisora x 3.

And……. Not much else

I got him about top 60 l

You can't factor in head to head and have extremely rose tinted glasses. You're also re-writting history. This is a Wlad who barely lost a round in about a decade. Outboxing him gets brushed off way too easily. It's a monumental feat. Outboxing arguably the best outside boxer ever from range. I realise it didn't look pretty but the technical level for men of their size was immense

The other thing that gets ignored with Fury is that both Klitschko's avoided him for years. Vitali fought Chisora in 2012 who Fury dominated in 2011. Fury doesn't get his shot until 2015

I will say I'm painfully disapointed we didn't see Fury in with Haye, Vitali or Wlad a second time. the same with AJ and Usyk. I just hope he has a Calzaghesque end to his career and faces the big guns of his division.

polecateddy wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:50 In cycling he’d be more a Marco Pantani, than a Lance Armstrong.

Pantani was and still is loved .. drug cheat like his contemporaries - but hugely popular still

Fury would be the Floyd Landis. Another drug cheat who ultimately amounted to little by end of his career.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 09:52

si7dog7 wrote: ↑14 Jul 2023, 18:35 So where does Fury really rate in the pantheon of Heavyweight Champions?

I’m not a “hater”” because. Fairs, fair. He beat Wlad in Germany. Wlad not in my top 20 tbf. And on a big decline.

He’s beaten the biggest puncher “ever” in Wilder, 2.5 times.

Other than that. Chisora x 3.

And……. Not much else

I got him about top 60 l

The other thing that gets ignored with Fury is that both Klitschko's avoided him for years.

What a load of nonsense. Wlad's people reached out to Hennessy several times and were told "He's not ready."

Fury waited until Wlad was old and Luke still needed PEDs to beat him.