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Bud has finally arrived at... about half of Mayweather's level. I mean, be serious.

I don't understand all the hype over beating Spence. It's a good win over a rated contender but due to selective matchmaking its hard to know how good Spence is. Its not as if Spence has cleaned out the division or looked dominant against all his opponents

well, spence had stopped brook, peterson and ugas. clearly beat garcia. close fight vs porter but id say clearly won that with the kd too. anyone below world class he destroyed.

spence was proven to be an elite fighter, and craw trashed him

i do think spence should think about calling it a day soon though , his chin looked gone, even jabs were hurting him repeatedly.

Let's see how he ends his career. He certainly is a generational fighter.

No, not based off of one win against Spence. Was that version of Spence really better than the version of Cotto or Pacquiao that Floyd fought? I don't believe so.

Spence is a very good fighter, 2nd best Welterweight since the Mayweather era, behind only Crawford. Even if you do believe Spence is a better win than any win Floyd had, Floyd has atleast 5 other wins (thats being conservative)that were better than Crawfords 2nd best win.

As far as a boxing career, there's really no case to place Crawford above Floyd. If you want to play the hypothetical game and evaluate them in a fictional fantasy fight (based solely on opinion/bias) is about the only way you could place Crawford over Floyd.

I will also note how people talk about how useless today's world titles are and how watered down they are. Look at the guys Floyd beat at Welterweight and tell me how in God's earth Crawford could be rated above Floyd as a Welterweight. Because he became undisputed? Hell, Josh Taylor was undisputed FFS (and had a harder road to undisputed at 140 than Crawford did at 140 IMO) So Taylor was a better JWW than Floyd? Seems to be a silly argument at this point.

That's not to say if Floyd or Crawford fought in their prime thay Crawford wouldn't have beat Floyd. I'm open to that discussion. But no way in hell Crawford has surpassed Floyd's career and honestly has barely scratched the surface.

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 07:52 Not in all time rankings but as a Welterweight (Champion) he has accomplished more. Also has more skills & ability!

Floyd may have the names but somehow lacks the wins. Winning a forgettable lazy sparring session against a faded Manny doesn't stack up to stopping hungry, relevant, prime respectable fighters in Horn, Porter & Spence.

Floyd never dared to put on a performance like Crawford did, never dared to fight a young primed undefeated Champion in that fashion, nor did he ever bother to get all 4 belts and clean out like Terrance Crawford.
Floyd feasted on washed up names, while Crawford feasted on all belts & challengers.

Floyd's constant ducking & bogus fights throughout his career has already hurt his legacy.

Didn't take long for a fighter to put himself in the discussion of Floyd, shows you how much Floyd wasted time fighting people like Ortiz, Berto & McGregor.

Head to head, Crawford stops Mayweather

Mayweather fought plenty of prime opponents and he was far past his best for the McGregor fiasco so how is that of any relevance legacy wise? Up through Pacquiao he was consistently fighting top contenders.

No he hasn't surpassed mayweather.
But he's done something unique. 4 belt undisputed at light welter and welter!
Along with sizzling performances at least since he moved to welter.
A chance to fight for another 4 belts at light middle. That would be a spectacular achievement.
Still not quite maywether level, who dominated top opposition for 10-20 years.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 15:40

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 07:52 Not in all time rankings but as a Welterweight (Champion) he has accomplished more. Also has more skills & ability!

Floyd may have the names but somehow lacks the wins. Winning a forgettable lazy sparring session against a faded Manny doesn't stack up to stopping hungry, relevant, prime respectable fighters in Horn, Porter & Spence.

Floyd never dared to put on a performance like Crawford did, never dared to fight a young primed undefeated Champion in that fashion, nor did he ever bother to get all 4 belts and clean out like Terrance Crawford.
Floyd feasted on washed up names, while Crawford feasted on all belts & challengers.

Floyd's constant ducking & bogus fights throughout his career has already hurt his legacy.

Didn't take long for a fighter to put himself in the discussion of Floyd, shows you how much Floyd wasted time fighting people like Ortiz, Berto & McGregor.

Head to head, Crawford stops Mayweather

Mayweather fought plenty of prime opponents and he was far past his best for the McGregor fiasco so how is that of any relevance legacy wise? Up through Pacquiao he was consistently fighting top contenders.

Plenty of "prime" fighters? Like who?
Post 140, Mayweather picked on washed up fighters with names! Including McGregor who hadn't have a single boxing fight before.

Mayweather rarely challenged himself or stepped inside the ring in a fight people thought he'd lose. Pacqiuao did countless times and proved the odds wrong, which is what made Manny great.

Mayweather never impressed boxing fans the way Crawford did against Spence at Welterweight.

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 07:52Floyd may have the names but somehow lacks the wins. Winning a forgettable lazy sparring session against a faded Manny doesn't stack up to stopping hungry, relevant, prime respectable fighters in Horn

Horn is nobody, dude.

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑10 Aug 2023, 05:49

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 15:40

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 07:52 Not in all time rankings but as a Welterweight (Champion) he has accomplished more. Also has more skills & ability!

Floyd may have the names but somehow lacks the wins. Winning a forgettable lazy sparring session against a faded Manny doesn't stack up to stopping hungry, relevant, prime respectable fighters in Horn, Porter & Spence.

Floyd never dared to put on a performance like Crawford did, never dared to fight a young primed undefeated Champion in that fashion, nor did he ever bother to get all 4 belts and clean out like Terrance Crawford.
Floyd feasted on washed up names, while Crawford feasted on all belts & challengers.

Floyd's constant ducking & bogus fights throughout his career has already hurt his legacy.

Didn't take long for a fighter to put himself in the discussion of Floyd, shows you how much Floyd wasted time fighting people like Ortiz, Berto & McGregor.

Head to head, Crawford stops Mayweather

Mayweather fought plenty of prime opponents and he was far past his best for the McGregor fiasco so how is that of any relevance legacy wise? Up through Pacquiao he was consistently fighting top contenders.

Plenty of "prime" fighters? Like who?
Post 140, Mayweather picked on washed up fighters with names! Including McGregor who hadn't have a single boxing fight before.

Mayweather rarely challenged himself or stepped inside the ring in a fight people thought he'd lose. Pacqiuao did countless times and proved the odds wrong, which is what made Manny great.

Mayweather never impressed boxing fans the way Crawford did against Spence at Welterweight.

The guys he was fighting were consistently the best available. If not you should be able to point to all the guys he ducked but you can't.

All Mayweather could have done is move higher in weight and fight bigger men but why should he. Crawford hasn't fought at 160 or 168 either and has shown no interest in fighting above 154.

Against McGregor Mayweather was shot and in the twilight of his career. So really who cares?

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2023, 15:44

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑10 Aug 2023, 05:49

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 15:40

Mayweather fought plenty of prime opponents and he was far past his best for the McGregor fiasco so how is that of any relevance legacy wise? Up through Pacquiao he was consistently fighting top contenders.

Plenty of "prime" fighters? Like who?
Post 140, Mayweather picked on washed up fighters with names! Including McGregor who hadn't have a single boxing fight before.

Mayweather rarely challenged himself or stepped inside the ring in a fight people thought he'd lose. Pacqiuao did countless times and proved the odds wrong, which is what made Manny great.

Mayweather never impressed boxing fans the way Crawford did against Spence at Welterweight.

The guys he was fighting were consistently the best available. If not you should be able to point to all the guys he ducked but you can't.

All Mayweather could have done is move higher in weight and fight bigger men but why should he. Crawford hasn't fought at 160 or 168 either and has shown no interest in fighting above 154.

Against McGregor Mayweather was shot and in the twilight of his career. So really who cares?

Marcos Maidana was not the best available.
Mayweather never fought bigger men or above 154
Mayweather retired fresh as a daisy and never lost a step or got old in the ring lol

Seems like people are forgetting how good Floyd and that band of fighters from 140-154 were back then,
I think Crawford is a genius, an elite fighter who rightly deserves some of the accolades he is getting, but in the last 7 years he has fought:
Spence,
Avanesyan,
Porter
Brook,
Kavaliauskas (had to look that one up),
Khan,
Benavidez (also couldn't remember that fight)
Horn,
Indongo.
Prior to that notable wins over Burns and Beltran.

Mayweather's best 7 year spell took in:
Pacquiao,
Maidana (x2),
Canelo,
Guerrero,
Cotto,
Ortiz,
Mosley,
JMM,
Hatton,
De La Hoya.
Prior to that, wins over: Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah,

Anyone suggesting that Terence has faced anything like the level of competition Floyd beat has a real short memory IMO.

sharpei_louis wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 03:58 Seems like people are forgetting how good Floyd and that band of fighters from 140-154 were back then,
I think Crawford is a genius, an elite fighter who rightly deserves some of the accolades he is getting, but in the last 7 years he has fought:
Spence,
Avanesyan,
Porter
Brook,
Kavaliauskas (had to look that one up),
Khan,
Benavidez (also couldn't remember that fight)
Horn,
Indongo.
Prior to that notable wins over Burns and Beltran.

Mayweather's best 7 year spell took in:
Pacquiao,
Maidana (x2),
Canelo,
Guerrero,
Cotto,
Ortiz,
Mosley,
JMM,
Hatton,
De La Hoya.
Prior to that, wins over: Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah,

Anyone suggesting that Terence has faced anything like the level of competition Floyd beat has a real short memory IMO.

Canelo, Cotto or De La Hoya weren't at 147 & none of them were at their best when Floyd chose to fight them.

Out of alll the names you've mentioned, the only fighters that were in their prime were Corrales & Castillo lol. Both back when Floyd was at 135..not 140, 147 or even 154.

Floyd ducked challenges & timed when he would choose to cherry picked big names on the slide.


Out of all the years and names Floyd fought at 147, he was never able to fight for undisputed, against an undefeated, unified champ that posed a real threat & then display his greatness with a performance like Crawford did against Spence. Wins like that is what greatness is all about.

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 05:42

sharpei_louis wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 03:58 Seems like people are forgetting how good Floyd and that band of fighters from 140-154 were back then,
I think Crawford is a genius, an elite fighter who rightly deserves some of the accolades he is getting, but in the last 7 years he has fought:
Spence,
Avanesyan,
Porter
Brook,
Kavaliauskas (had to look that one up),
Khan,
Benavidez (also couldn't remember that fight)
Horn,
Indongo.
Prior to that notable wins over Burns and Beltran.

Mayweather's best 7 year spell took in:
Pacquiao,
Maidana (x2),
Canelo,
Guerrero,
Cotto,
Ortiz,
Mosley,
JMM,
Hatton,
De La Hoya.
Prior to that, wins over: Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah,

Anyone suggesting that Terence has faced anything like the level of competition Floyd beat has a real short memory IMO.

Canelo, Cotto or De La Hoya weren't at 147 & none of them were at their best when Floyd chose to fight them.

Out of alll the names you've mentioned, the only fighters that were in their prime were Corrales & Castillo lol. Both back when Floyd was at 135..not 140, 147 or even 154.

Floyd ducked challenges & timed when he would choose to cherry picked big names on the slide.


Out of all the years and names Floyd fought at 147, he was never able to fight for undisputed, against an undefeated, unified champ that posed a real threat & then display his greatness with a performance like Crawford did against Spence. Wins like that is what greatness is all about.

Many feel Porter and Spence weren't prime either. Brook and Khan were pretty clearly past prime. In any case there was little Mayweather could do about his competition given it was by and large the best available.

Cotto was younger than Floyd and would turn in good performances afterwards so I don't think criticism there makes sense. During De La Hoyas prime he was fighting far above Mayweather in weight so a fight wouldn't have been possible without a major move up or down in weight. Not really his fault.

Canelo Alvarez didn't hit his prime until after Floyd retired so again not much Floyd can do.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 14:41

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 05:42

sharpei_louis wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 03:58 Seems like people are forgetting how good Floyd and that band of fighters from 140-154 were back then,
I think Crawford is a genius, an elite fighter who rightly deserves some of the accolades he is getting, but in the last 7 years he has fought:
Spence,
Avanesyan,
Porter
Brook,
Kavaliauskas (had to look that one up),
Khan,
Benavidez (also couldn't remember that fight)
Horn,
Indongo.
Prior to that notable wins over Burns and Beltran.

Mayweather's best 7 year spell took in:
Pacquiao,
Maidana (x2),
Canelo,
Guerrero,
Cotto,
Ortiz,
Mosley,
JMM,
Hatton,
De La Hoya.
Prior to that, wins over: Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah,

Anyone suggesting that Terence has faced anything like the level of competition Floyd beat has a real short memory IMO.

Canelo, Cotto or De La Hoya weren't at 147 & none of them were at their best when Floyd chose to fight them.

Out of alll the names you've mentioned, the only fighters that were in their prime were Corrales & Castillo lol. Both back when Floyd was at 135..not 140, 147 or even 154.

Floyd ducked challenges & timed when he would choose to cherry picked big names on the slide.


Out of all the years and names Floyd fought at 147, he was never able to fight for undisputed, against an undefeated, unified champ that posed a real threat & then display his greatness with a performance like Crawford did against Spence. Wins like that is what greatness is all about.

Many feel Porter and Spence weren't prime either. Brook and Khan were pretty clearly past prime. In any case there was little Mayweather could do about his competition given it was by and large the best available.

Cotto was younger than Floyd and would turn in good performances afterwards so I don't think criticism there makes sense. During De La Hoyas prime he was fighting far above Mayweather in weight so a fight wouldn't have been possible without a major move up or down in weight. Not really his fault.

Canelo Alvarez didn't hit his prime until after Floyd retired so again not much Floyd can do.

This is not true! Although one can't choose the era they're in, they can unfortunately choose who they avoid, time or flat out duck! Mayweather may go down as the greatest boxer in choosing opponents.

Mayweather was the face of boxing and abused his power to stay undefeated.

Cotto was an undefeated Welterweight champion..while Mayweather was also at Welterweight. Mayweather chose to not fight him.

De La Hoya was well past it & was already a promoter at the point lol. Still managed to get drop a SD where many felt De La Hoya beat Mayweather.

Canelo was way too green and un established. Mayweather knew to fight him before he gets any better..also chose to give Canelo a catchweight fight too lol

Mayweather is an ATG who fought many great names, but rarely did he fight people at their best or when the fight was demanded!

Mayweather is highly overrated who had a lot of major names but somehow lacks alot of major wins!

“has Crawford surpassed floyd” ….

Absolutely not

If he had he’d be earning what Floyd earned, dictating the game like Floyd did, have a better CV, won titles in more divisions and be widely regarded as surpassing Floyd.

Something new and shiny comes along and everyone adores it.

Floyd was world champ for 20 odd years

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 23:10

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 14:41

Post 4 Post wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 05:42

Canelo, Cotto or De La Hoya weren't at 147 & none of them were at their best when Floyd chose to fight them.

Out of alll the names you've mentioned, the only fighters that were in their prime were Corrales & Castillo lol. Both back when Floyd was at 135..not 140, 147 or even 154.

Floyd ducked challenges & timed when he would choose to cherry picked big names on the slide.


Out of all the years and names Floyd fought at 147, he was never able to fight for undisputed, against an undefeated, unified champ that posed a real threat & then display his greatness with a performance like Crawford did against Spence. Wins like that is what greatness is all about.

Many feel Porter and Spence weren't prime either. Brook and Khan were pretty clearly past prime. In any case there was little Mayweather could do about his competition given it was by and large the best available.

Cotto was younger than Floyd and would turn in good performances afterwards so I don't think criticism there makes sense. During De La Hoyas prime he was fighting far above Mayweather in weight so a fight wouldn't have been possible without a major move up or down in weight. Not really his fault.

Canelo Alvarez didn't hit his prime until after Floyd retired so again not much Floyd can do.

This is not true! Although one can't choose the era they're in, they can unfortunately choose who they avoid, time or flat out duck! Mayweather may go down as the greatest boxer in choosing opponents.

Mayweather was the face of boxing and abused his power to stay undefeated.

Cotto was an undefeated Welterweight champion..while Mayweather was also at Welterweight. Mayweather chose to not fight him.

De La Hoya was well past it & was already a promoter at the point lol. Still managed to get drop a SD where many felt De La Hoya beat Mayweather.

Canelo was way too green and un established. Mayweather knew to fight him before he gets any better..also chose to give Canelo a catchweight fight too lol

Mayweather is an ATG who fought many great names, but rarely did he fight people at their best or when the fight was demanded!

Mayweather is highly overrated who had a lot of major names but somehow lacks alot of major wins!

Canelo didn't reach his prime until after Mayweather had retired. I don't see what he is supposed to do? Would you prefer he not fight him at all on the grounds it's not fair?

Likewise when De La Hoya was in his prime Mayweather had never fought above 135 so the fight wouldn't have happened given they were in different weight classes. It would be like accusing Andre Ward of ducking Usyk or Roy Jones of ducking Juan Carlos Gomez.

Mayweather's resume is the most picked apart one in the modern era.
He fought some outstanding fighters, many more than Crawford has done. Undeniably, not all were in their prime, but boxing fans have a real habit of doing this.
Loads of people saying that Spence was past prime, stoned, feeling the after effects of his shit driving etc.

For me, Floyd, hands down.

That's not to say that Crawford isn't better, mind... But looking at who they fought, without lumping everything on the Spence win, Floyd had consistently better opposition, surely?