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Who is gonna be out there to challenge Bud? Mell is gonna cash in vs Canelo and probably move down to 160 lbs. Tim Tszyu ? Rematch Spence at 154? Munguia at 160?

I think a fight with Canelo would worth the risk.

I've been seeing it, for quite some time, to be a very highly reasonable and plausible pursuit for TC to eventually have a fight made versus Canelo.
This Would be a Gigantic Money Making Showdown.
Perhaps now that TC has apparently established his Legitimized Legacy as one of the Greatest Welters, in history, by way of decisively defeating Spence, in what was one of the Most Desired Bouts to see, since Mayweather-Pacqiou, now therefore, Crawford is basically "A Primary Face of Boxing", at least Equally to Canelo, who had been basically The one and the only, in terms of The status of that position.

TC is now definitely At Least his Equal, in those overall terms of The Status/Popularity Level.
Spence "Should Not" have that rematch, that he's expressed interest in(@154) versus Crawford.
I do Not see it ending well for Spence. Or for Boxing in general.
I Do actually see a real likelihood of Spence looking better and stronger, especially in the earlier rounds, but ultimately TC will Always have his number, and Spence would Very Likely wind up getting Beat Down Even worse, and perhaps before the ref can stop it/save Spence from getting basically Or Literally Faceplanted.
I just see it being Ultimately A worse ending for Spence.

I Don't even know if Spence Should be fighting Much Lesser opponents anymore at this point in time.
His face was a rather disturbingly bright red color by the third round versus TC.
I mean his whole entire facial complexion.
I've never seen that before.
No, I'm not a doctor, but isn't that a sign of someone being on the verge of a full blown Anyeurism(Sp ?) Of Sorts...?!

Mind you, I have no intention nor desire to discredit "The Great Terrance Crawford". And The Great, is something I genuinely Mean with all Earnest Sincerity. He's no Doubt "A Great".
A Great Welterweight is something that he's definitely Proven to be.
Would Pre-Car Crash Spence done better versus TC..?
I think so. Would he go the distance versus TC...? Maybe.
Would that Spence defeat TC...?!
I highly doubt it.

With that said, TC versus Boots Ennis would be very interesting, no doubt.
TC is probably done with making 147 at this point though.
Boots would very likely be willing to have the bout at 154. He Does Seem Extremely Interested in having a bout made versus TC.
Is the money going to be there for TC like it was versus Spence..?
Not Completely Sure. It Should be. You'd think it would be. Probably ultimately just not quite the money desired by TC though, unfortunately.

It Really Does Seem like Terrance Crawford versus Canelo would be The Best Bout(Especially Money-Wise, and Crowd Pleasing-Wise) to be made.
No Catchweight should be put in effect imo.
Crawford knows who he is. I'm sure that he has at least 99.9 % certainty that he can weigh-in at 162(A Small Super MW), versus Canelo barely making 168 and then rehydrating to 180-185, and Still Outclass Canelo, alot like the Mayweather jr-Canelo 2013 Showdown turned out.

Lackeos wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023, 04:07 Moving up almost 3 weight divisions is unreasonable. Even if Alvarez is the biggest cash cow that Crawford could fight, it's not anywhere close to sane. McGregor would be a more reasonable opponent and would pay similar money.

In boxing terms, not money terms, it would be more reasonable for Crawford to fight Josh Taylor, Teofimo, or Jermell. It's a shame that he can't fight the winner of a Vergil Ortiz - Ennis match-up; but that fight isn't even on the schedule. Or perhaps he could fight each of them individually, and we can hope for the business of the sport that one of them is able to take his torch.

Bud would get laughed at if he signed to fight Teo, Ortiz, or Taylor. Especially Taylor. Ortiz keeps pulling out, not sure if he'll even fight anymore. Teo is still fresh at 140. None of them are a serious challenge except Boots. If Bud came in at 160 vs Canelo, he'd beat Canelo, regardless of Canelo's weight.

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 22:39

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 22:36

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 22:15
Yeah, Craw has no business at 165. Or 160 for that matter.

Certainly not anytime soon. He needs at least 3 or 4 fights at 154 at first at the very least.

He's like 35. he's fully grown. 154 would be the heaviest at this point he can be while still being effective and that's not 100%.

If he were to agree to fight Canelo at 165, as far as I know there's not anything in the contract that says you HAVE to be 165. He could probably come in no higher than 159 or so if he felt most comfortable there.

I would think he's got the body type where those extra pounds may cost him crucial speed, to the point that he'd be better off simply giving away some weight.

davie wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 13:39 This is a silly fight and a man who started at 135lb and has topped out to a natural 147lb at 35 years of age should not be thinking about anything more than 1 more weight class up.
154lb would put him at a slight disadvantage vs someone like Jermell but I'd love to see it.

Jumping 3 weight classes to fight a p4p rated fighter, who is already known for being a weight bully and taking advantage of rehydrating, one who has campaigned at 175 at world level. That's just daft

Really not silly at all if you only remember what Roberto Duran did.

Heck, even Vinny Pazienza made a relatively good point of it's doability aspects.

And Terrance is actually Naturally Bigger than both of them were.

5'8 , 74" reach, Big Wrists, Very Wide Shoulders, Thick Back, Thicker Neck, Harder and Quicker Puncher, and Probably better punch resilience than either one of them. Probably likely Hagler-Like Level punch resilience.

No catchweight clause should be needed. Totally unnecessary.
The only extra-size on Canelo is not functional advantageous based size.
It's just simply extra muscle bulk.
Terrance is Plenty Big and Strong Enough to handle Canelo, whether either one realizes it or not.
162 would be plenty of size for TC to outfight and outclass Canelo, and even if he's 180-185 lbs entering into the ring.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023, 12:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 22:39

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 22:36

Certainly not anytime soon. He needs at least 3 or 4 fights at 154 at first at the very least.

He's like 35. he's fully grown. 154 would be the heaviest at this point he can be while still being effective and that's not 100%.

If he were to agree to fight Canelo at 165, as far as I know there's not anything in the contract that says you HAVE to be 165. He could probably come in no higher than 159 or so if he felt most comfortable there.

I would think he's got the body type where those extra pounds may cost him crucial speed, to the point that he'd be better off simply giving away some weight.

Lol! C'mon Gil. If he comes in at 159, he'll be up against a 180 LB Canelo in the ring. I don't think so.

If I remember right, Canelo outweighed Floyd by 15-20lbs fight night, but didn't help. I know Canelo is better now, but I also think a 36 yr old Crawford beats a 36 yr old Floyd.

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023, 20:19

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023, 12:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 22:39

He's like 35. he's fully grown. 154 would be the heaviest at this point he can be while still being effective and that's not 100%.

If he were to agree to fight Canelo at 165, as far as I know there's not anything in the contract that says you HAVE to be 165. He could probably come in no higher than 159 or so if he felt most comfortable there.

I would think he's got the body type where those extra pounds may cost him crucial speed, to the point that he'd be better off simply giving away some weight.

Lol! C'mon Gil. If he comes in at 159, he'll be up against a 180 LB Canelo in the ring. I don't think so.

David Haye beat Valuev who outweighed him 100 pounds.

It's daunting, yes, but I would not say it's impossible to beat a man that's 20 pounds heavier.

There are more difficult factors to overcome than size.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Aug 2023, 11:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023, 20:19

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023, 12:39

If he were to agree to fight Canelo at 165, as far as I know there's not anything in the contract that says you HAVE to be 165. He could probably come in no higher than 159 or so if he felt most comfortable there.

I would think he's got the body type where those extra pounds may cost him crucial speed, to the point that he'd be better off simply giving away some weight.

Lol! C'mon Gil. If he comes in at 159, he'll be up against a 180 LB Canelo in the ring. I don't think so.

David Haye beat Valuev who outweighed him 100 pounds.

It's daunting, yes, but I would not say it's impossible to beat a man that's 20 pounds heavier.

There are more difficult factors to overcome than size.

Valuev was crap. Not your best comp. We're talking about two generational fighters here.
Bud at 159 vs Canelo at 180. It's pretty much impossible for Bud to win that one.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Aug 2023, 11:08

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Aug 2023, 11:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023, 20:19

Lol! C'mon Gil. If he comes in at 159, he'll be up against a 180 LB Canelo in the ring. I don't think so.

David Haye beat Valuev who outweighed him 100 pounds.

It's daunting, yes, but I would not say it's impossible to beat a man that's 20 pounds heavier.

There are more difficult factors to overcome than size.

Valuev was crap. Not your best comp. We're talking about two generational fighters here.
Bud at 159 vs Canelo at 180. It's pretty much impossible for Bud to win that one.

I'll bet you when Henry Armstrong tried to challenge for the Welterweight crown shortly after winning the Featherweight title people thought it pretty damn unlikely he could win too.

If something can be done once, it can be done twice.

Takes a hell of a fighter to achieve something like that obviously, but history has proven it's not impossible.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Aug 2023, 11:14

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Aug 2023, 11:08

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Aug 2023, 11:05

David Haye beat Valuev who outweighed him 100 pounds.

It's daunting, yes, but I would not say it's impossible to beat a man that's 20 pounds heavier.

There are more difficult factors to overcome than size.

Valuev was crap. Not your best comp. We're talking about two generational fighters here.
Bud at 159 vs Canelo at 180. It's pretty much impossible for Bud to win that one.

I'll bet you when Henry Armstrong tried to challenge for the Welterweight crown shortly after winning the Featherweight title people thought it pretty damn unlikely he could win too.

If something can be done once, it can be done twice.

Takes a hell of a fighter to achieve something like that obviously, but history has proven it's not impossible.

A bet to nowhere. This fight at at that weight won't happen.

I strongly suspect it won't either. I don't figure Crawford will ever attempt to ascend Mount Canelo unless it's his retirement fight.

Crawford looking for paydays then fight Canelo.
Weight difference is huge, it's a big leap.

Saw an interview where Crawford was asked about this prospect and basically laughed it off. Which I thought was exactly the right thing to do, as it's a silly idea.
I admit that my perspective is limited, but to me it seems like the career of Manny Pacquaio has distorted a lot of people's viewpoint on fighters moving up in weight, such that it's now common to talk about it like it's basically nothing. "Yeah, why doesn't this guy just move up three more weight classes and fight somebody who's clearly a hell of a lot bigger than he is? That's what I think ought to happen." Right, that's because you're not the one out there competing, and you're completely unrealistic about what a massive ask it is.

wait, till a big offer comes out, and then its "I'm aiming for greatness" and " Canelo is not that big"

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023, 09:16 wait, till a big offer comes out, and then its "I'm aiming for greatness" and " Canelo is not that big"

Yeah, I can definitely see that.

Terrance Himself Has to Realize that the size difference is rather minoot(MyNoot)(Quite Minimal) compared to Duran - Barkley for instance. That one is a prime example of Big Legit Size Difference to overcome. Crawford-Canelo is barely Much size difference in comparison.

Duran-Barkley you had a natural LW(135), at 5'7 with a 66" reach versus a Biiiig 6'1, 76" reach, Natural MW(160), who walked around at 190-200, and Obviously Rehydrated to A Good solid 180 lbs at fight-time.
This compared to Crawford-Canelo, where both are 5'8. And Crawford has 4" of reach advantage. 74 to 70.
And Canelo is Really just a Natural Junior MW(154), who has packed on Muscle-Bulk, Quite a bit reminiscent to what "Vinnie Pazienza" did back in the day.

To anyone who points out that Crawford is Also a Natural LW, I'd have to say that it's a Quite a bit different scenario from Duran. Anyone with a 74" reach that moves on from Lightweight was Never a Natural LW to begin with.
Duran struggled to make 135. Crawford definately struggled even more.
Boxers Do obviously, over time, Grow into higher weight divisions as well.

Crawford is Easily Naturally Big Enough to prevail at 154, and then, Smart Enough to Realize that calling out 41 year old GGG for the MW(160) title would make practical opportunistic sense on Craws behalf.
From there, yeah, going to SMW(168)would then be "The thing" to do for TC. So long's its versus Canelo, Or even versus Charlo, whom TC has already fully emphasized emphatic interest in fighting Very Soon.
Remember, TC Really only has to weigh 161, on the scale, to campaign as A SMW(168) boxer.
Stylistically, Canelo would be a More Winnable bout for TC, especially at 168.
Charlo might just turn into A Real Beast at that weight.

Iran Barkley is one of the biggest MW’s I’ve ever seen. How he made 160 I’ll ne ver know.

But I can see TC going to 68 if the money is right. Money talks.

Iran Barkley is one of the biggest MW’s I’ve ever seen. How he made 160 I’ll ne ver know.

But I can see TC going to 68 if the money is right. Money talks.

Crawford said Canelo is too big, and he's not interested. If Mell beats Canelo though, I'd bet anything he fights him even at 168. Seems to be some bad blood there.

This fight will never happen.

Unlikely at this point but I wouldn't count it out.

AngryGoon38 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 12:00

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023, 09:16 wait, till a big offer comes out, and then its "I'm aiming for greatness" and " Canelo is not that big"

Yeah, I can definitely see that.

Terrance Himself Has to Realize that the size difference is rather minoot(MyNoot)(Quite Minimal) compared to Duran - Barkley for instance. That one is a prime example of Big Legit Size Difference to overcome. Crawford-Canelo is barely Much size difference in comparison.

Duran-Barkley you had a natural LW(135), at 5'7 with a 66" reach versus a Biiiig 6'1, 76" reach, Natural MW(160), who walked around at 190-200, and Obviously Rehydrated to A Good solid 180 lbs at fight-time.
This compared to Crawford-Canelo, where both are 5'8. And Crawford has 4" of reach advantage. 74 to 70.
And Canelo is Really just a Natural Junior MW(154), who has packed on Muscle-Bulk, Quite a bit reminiscent to what "Vinnie Pazienza" did back in the day.

To anyone who points out that Crawford is Also a Natural LW, I'd have to say that it's a Quite a bit different scenario from Duran. Anyone with a 74" reach that moves on from Lightweight was Never a Natural LW to begin with.
Duran struggled to make 135. Crawford definately struggled even more.
Boxers Do obviously, over time, Grow into higher weight divisions as well.

Crawford is Easily Naturally Big Enough to prevail at 154, and then, Smart Enough to Realize that calling out 41 year old GGG for the MW(160) title would make practical opportunistic sense on Craws behalf.
From there, yeah, going to SMW(168)would then be "The thing" to do for TC. So long's its versus Canelo, Or even versus Charlo, whom TC has already fully emphasized emphatic interest in fighting Very Soon.
Remember, TC Really only has to weigh 161, on the scale, to campaign as A SMW(168) boxer.
Stylistically, Canelo would be a More Winnable bout for TC, especially at 168.
Charlo might just turn into A Real Beast at that weight.

Good analogy. TC is gonna be a jr mw just like Mell Charlo is-who is moving up at 168 to fight Canelo.

If the money are right, then I could see this fight being made.

These "small" fighters are able to cut huge weight just to have a size advantage but in reality they are naturally fitted to bigger weight classes. Its just a "trick" used in boxing.

Crawford seems to have done an about face. Telling Rogan he is interested in fighting Canelo, or more specifically the winner of Canelo-Charlo.

https://boxing-social.com/news/terence- ... ut-weight/

“I would definitely have to gain weight. I just believe in my abilities. Canelo’s not a big guy, he’s five-eight. He’s muscular, but as far as height, nah. That wouldn’t be nothing that… We’d have to see.

“I think it could happen. To be honest, I think that’s the biggest fight in boxing if he beat Charlo.”

“I’m ready now. People think it’s all about weight, but I think it’s skill. I’ve got the power to make anybody respect me, I don’t care what your weight is.”

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 21:15 Crawford seems to have done an about face. Telling Rogan he is interested in fighting Canelo, or more specifically the winner of Canelo-Charlo.

https://boxing-social.com/news/terence- ... ut-weight/

“I would definitely have to gain weight. I just believe in my abilities. Canelo’s not a big guy, he’s five-eight. He’s muscular, but as far as height, nah. That wouldn’t be nothing that… We’d have to see.

“I think it could happen. To be honest, I think that’s the biggest fight in boxing if he beat Charlo.”

“I’m ready now. People think it’s all about weight, but I think it’s skill. I’ve got the power to make anybody respect me, I don’t care what your weight is.”

As I thought so. Who in his right mind would not want a big payday vs Canelo in these days?! Also TC ain't that small.

"daring to be great"
"skills beat size"

when the small fighters are interested to get a big payday vs Canelo

Nothing crawford said there is wrong.

STILL won't happen anytime soon. Who the eff knows what's gonna happen in a couple of years.