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Posted: **10 Nov 2023, 14:00**

joshj909 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2023, 19:07
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Nov 2023, 18:46
I'd drop him a few places for that. He'll be ranked below the guy he best 3 years ago. What a career trajectory

Agree.
Frank is putting the tragedy in trajectory.

Posted: **10 Nov 2023, 14:02**

1. Usyk
2. Joshua
3. Fury
4. Hrgovic
5. Zhang
6. Joyce
7. Parker
8. Makhmudov
9. Sanchez
10. Bakole
11. Anderson
12. Ngannou
13. Wallin
14. Wardley
15. Agabara

Posted: **10 Nov 2023, 14:14**

KiwiRider wrote: ↑10 Nov 2023, 14:02 1. Usyk
2. Joshua
3. Fury
4. Hrgovic
5. Zhang
6. Joyce
7. Parker
8. Makhmudov
9. Sanchez
10. Bakole
11. Anderson
12. Ngannou
13. Wallin
14. Wardley
15. Agabara

Who’s Agabara?

Posted: **10 Nov 2023, 14:26**

Ajagba probably lol

Posted: **10 Nov 2023, 15:58**

CMCanavessi wrote: ↑10 Nov 2023, 14:26 Ajagba probably lol

Yeh probably

Posted: **10 Nov 2023, 17:52**

I don't rate boxers who aren't fighted in 12 months.

1. Usyk
2. Fury
3. Joshua
4. Hrgovic
5. Zhang
6. Wallin
7. Sánchez
8. Jalolov
9. Dubois
10. Anderson
11. Joyce
12. Bakole
13. Parker
14. Ajagba
15. Kabayel

Posted: **10 Nov 2023, 23:19**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Nov 2023, 14:14
KiwiRider wrote: ↑10 Nov 2023, 14:02 1. Usyk
2. Joshua
3. Fury
4. Hrgovic
5. Zhang
6. Joyce
7. Parker
8. Makhmudov
9. Sanchez
10. Bakole
11. Anderson
12. Ngannou
13. Wallin
14. Wardley
15. Agabara
Who’s Agabara?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Nov 2023, 15:58
CMCanavessi wrote: ↑10 Nov 2023, 14:26 Ajagba probably lol
Yeh probably

Probably means Khariton Agrba (12-0-0)

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/856311

Great prospect, just needs to bulk up a bit!

Posted: **11 Nov 2023, 07:41**

1. Usyk
2. Fury
3. Zhang
4. AJ
5. Wilder
6. Hrgovic
7. Joyce
8. Wallin
9. Ruiz Jr
10. Bakole
11. Sanchez
12. Parker
13. Ajagba
14. Makhmudov
15. Anderson

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 12:24**

Ruthless-RKO
We doing a complete makeover!

Please, post your top 15, I'll leave the scoring system here:

1. 20 points
2. 18 points
3. 16 points
4. 15 points
5. 14 points
6. 13 points
7. 12 points
8. 10 points
9. 9 points
10. 8 points
11. 7 points
12. 6 points
13. 5 points
14. 4 points
15. 3 points

I’ll keep a tally as we go along. Will be giving an update after we have several votes, to give us an idea of what our new ranking looks like.

Ruthless,

Enough people have voted. We are waiting for the ratings and the Saudi's to waive some more money at the fighters.

Let have some of your rated guys facing each other please. Not Fury vs. a 0-0 boxer, or Wilder jerking people, or some 40 year old Chinaman beating up over rated, old Englishmen. We have seen enough of that.

The oil belt is waiting. You known the one that really pays.

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 13:16**

1. Usyk
2. Fury
3. Joshua
4. Zhang
5. Hrgovic
6. Joyce
7. Parker
8. Makhmudov
9. Sanchez
10. Bakole
11. Anderson
12. ajagba
13. Wallin
14. Wardley
15. Huni

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 15:29**

Standings after 18 votes:

1. Usyk 358
2. Fury 306
3. Joshua 286
4. Zhang 273
5. Hrgovic 237
6. Joyce 192
7. Bakole 166
8. Parker 163
9. Wallin 152
10. Sanchez 139
11. Ajagba 107
12. Makhmudov 95
13. Anderson 92
14. Ngannou 52
15. Dubois 45

16. Wardley 38
17. Chisora 26
18. Huni 18
19. Jalolov 13
20. Franklin 7
21. Kabayel 6
22. Kossobutskiy 4
22. Gassiev 4
24. Miller 3
24. Agrba 3

Whyte 38
Ruiz 34
Wilder 23

We can wait for more votes, but I don’t think that will change much.
#1 to #6 seem to be set.
#7-8 and #12-13 could change after more votes.

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 16:53**

Can't believe Ngannou is 14th when he has, LITERALLY, beaten nobody.

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 17:28**

JonnyKupfer wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 15:29 Standings after 18 votes:

We can wait for more votes, but I don’t think that will change much.
#1 to #6 seem to be set.
#7-8 and #12-13 could change after more votes.

Thanks for that. You made my job easier. I was waiting to get back on my computer and put it al into a spreadsheet.. lol

Gonn wait few more days. There’s no rush. No fights are being scheduled yet anyway.

Let’s see what more votes do.

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 19:11**

CMCanavessi wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 16:53 Can't believe Ngannou is 14th when he has, LITERALLY, beaten nobody.

It's one of the issues with a points system and a small sample size. Not Ruthless-RKO's fault at all. Just what happens.

Basically it only takes a handful of people to have a ridiculously high ranking for a fighter, and it can completely change the bottom end. I saw something similar where a guy was taking votes to make historical P4P lists. One guy kept voting Roy Jones Junior and Mike Tyson #1 for everything haha

Maybe try asking on the British board as well to increase the sample size.

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 19:49**

CMCanavessi wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 16:53 Can't believe Ngannou is 14th when he has, LITERALLY, beaten nobody.

Going close with number 1 (now number 2) shows much more than chinning 20 top 500s and a couple of top 50s.

I’d rather support that than supporting guys being too 10 but consistently fighting guys outside the top 200…. Frank.

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 19:50**

i dont have ngan top 15, but i can understand the logic. you can argue he deserved a win over someone most people would've had #1 or #2. if someone thought he edged the fight, it makes sense theyd have him fairly high. its obviously an unusual situation

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 20:05**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 19:50 i dont have ngan top 15, but i can understand the logic. you can argue he deserved a win over someone most people would've had #1 or #2. if someone thought he edged the fight, it makes sense theyd have him fairly high. its obviously an unusual situation

Personally what I find more surprising, is that so many have Fury at #2 when he just went life and death with Ngannou.

I think if you have Fury at #2 you have to rank Ngannou top 15. And vice versa if you don't rank Ngannou, you have to drop Fury down the list.

I'd love to hear the argument why people believe Fury should still be number #2 after getting a controversial SD against a debutant boxer in a registered professional fight. But the opponent isn't worth ranking.

I might disagree with ranking Fury #2 and Ngannou Top #5 but there is at least a logical consistency in those rankings.

Posted: **13 Nov 2023, 22:48**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 17:28
JonnyKupfer wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 15:29 Standings after 18 votes:

We can wait for more votes, but I don’t think that will change much.
#1 to #6 seem to be set.
#7-8 and #12-13 could change after more votes.
Thanks for that. You made my job easier. I was waiting to get back on my computer and put it al into a spreadsheet.. lol

Gonn wait few more days. There’s no rush. No fights are being scheduled yet anyway.

Let’s see what more votes do.

Might I suggest we do a separate vote for positions #14 and #15. There is a clear problem at the bottom end of the table. Which we knew already to be fair.

VOTES
1. Usyk 18
2. Fury 18
3. Joshua 18
4. Zhang 18
5. Hrgovic 17
6. Joyce 16
7. Bakole 18
8. Parker 17
9. Wallin 16
10. Sanchez 16
11. Ajagba 17
12. Makhmudov 13
13. Anderson 16
14. Ngannou 5
15. Dubois 6
16. Wardley 9
17. Chisora 7
18. Huni 4
19. Jalolov 2
20. Franklin 1
21. Kabayel 2
22. Kossobutskiy 1
22. Gassiev 1
24. Miller 1
Whyte 4
Ruiz 3
Wilder 2

Posted: **14 Nov 2023, 01:33**

Finkel wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 22:48
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 17:28
JonnyKupfer wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 15:29 Standings after 18 votes:

We can wait for more votes, but I don’t think that will change much.
#1 to #6 seem to be set.
#7-8 and #12-13 could change after more votes.
Thanks for that. You made my job easier. I was waiting to get back on my computer and put it al into a spreadsheet.. lol

Gonn wait few more days. There’s no rush. No fights are being scheduled yet anyway.

Let’s see what more votes do.
Might I suggest we do a separate vote for positions #14 and #15. There is a clear problem at the bottom end of the table. Which we knew already to be fair.

VOTES
1. Usyk 18
2. Fury 18
3. Joshua 18
4. Zhang 18
5. Hrgovic 17
6. Joyce 16
7. Bakole 18
8. Parker 17
9. Wallin 16
10. Sanchez 16
11. Ajagba 17
12. Makhmudov 13
13. Anderson 16
14. Ngannou 5
15. Dubois 6
16. Wardley 9
17. Chisora 7
18. Huni 4
19. Jalolov 2
20. Franklin 1
21. Kabayel 2
22. Kossobutskiy 1
22. Gassiev 1
24. Miller 1
Whyte 4
Ruiz 3
Wilder 2

Rules were set and no one’s done anything stupid like putting ddd or nganu number 1. I’d say just keep it. 14/15 will disappear pretty quick with any good win from the guys bellow then, or an activity from Whyte, wilder, Ruiz, ect.

Posted: **14 Nov 2023, 03:29**

gregregegg wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023, 01:33
Finkel wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 22:48
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 17:28

Thanks for that. You made my job easier. I was waiting to get back on my computer and put it al into a spreadsheet.. lol

Gonn wait few more days. There’s no rush. No fights are being scheduled yet anyway.

Let’s see what more votes do.
Might I suggest we do a separate vote for positions #14 and #15. There is a clear problem at the bottom end of the table. Which we knew already to be fair.

VOTES
1. Usyk 18
2. Fury 18
3. Joshua 18
4. Zhang 18
5. Hrgovic 17
6. Joyce 16
7. Bakole 18
8. Parker 17
9. Wallin 16
10. Sanchez 16
11. Ajagba 17
12. Makhmudov 13
13. Anderson 16
14. Ngannou 5
15. Dubois 6
16. Wardley 9
17. Chisora 7
18. Huni 4
19. Jalolov 2
20. Franklin 1
21. Kabayel 2
22. Kossobutskiy 1
22. Gassiev 1
24. Miller 1
Whyte 4
Ruiz 3
Wilder 2
Rules were set and no one’s done anything stupid like putting ddd or nganu number 1. I’d say just keep it. 14/15 will disappear pretty quick with any good win from the guys bellow then, or an activity from Whyte, wilder, Ruiz, ect.

My interpretation was that our rankings were always democratic in that one person's voice had the same weight as another. Though I recognize in a sense, they do, because as you say there was nothing in theory stopping me from voting Chisora #1.

But,

5 people want Ngannou ranked in the top 15. (30% of the vote)
9 people want Wardley ranked in the top 15. (50% of the vote)
7 people want Chisora ranked etc.

Just to be clear I don't have a horse in the race on the above three. Ngannou hasn't got a win to his name. Wardley is still fighting domestic level opposition. Chisora looks shot to bits. But it seems like the rules are being gamed quite a bit by some shouting louder than others.

Posted: **14 Nov 2023, 04:48**

Finkel wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023, 03:29
gregregegg wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023, 01:33
Finkel wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 22:48

Might I suggest we do a separate vote for positions #14 and #15. There is a clear problem at the bottom end of the table. Which we knew already to be fair.

VOTES
1. Usyk 18
2. Fury 18
3. Joshua 18
4. Zhang 18
5. Hrgovic 17
6. Joyce 16
7. Bakole 18
8. Parker 17
9. Wallin 16
10. Sanchez 16
11. Ajagba 17
12. Makhmudov 13
13. Anderson 16
14. Ngannou 5
15. Dubois 6
16. Wardley 9
17. Chisora 7
18. Huni 4
19. Jalolov 2
20. Franklin 1
21. Kabayel 2
22. Kossobutskiy 1
22. Gassiev 1
24. Miller 1
Whyte 4
Ruiz 3
Wilder 2
Rules were set and no one’s done anything stupid like putting ddd or nganu number 1. I’d say just keep it. 14/15 will disappear pretty quick with any good win from the guys bellow then, or an activity from Whyte, wilder, Ruiz, ect.
My interpretation was that our rankings were always democratic in that one person's voice had the same weight as another. Though I recognize in a sense, they do, because as you say there was nothing in theory stopping me from voting Chisora #1.

But,

5 people want Ngannou ranked in the top 15. (30% of the vote)
9 people want Wardley ranked in the top 15. (50% of the vote)
7 people want Chisora ranked etc.

Just to be clear I don't have a horse in the race on the above three. Ngannou hasn't got a win to his name. Wardley is still fighting domestic level opposition. Chisora looks shot to bits. But it seems like the rules are being gamed quite a bit by some shouting louder than others.

You could redo your vote and put Wardley and Chisora as 1 & 2 and not rank Ngannou at all. I'm sure some people vote in a tactical way like this, especially at the top, so it wouldn't be that ridiculous.

Posted: **14 Nov 2023, 05:59**

We need some more voters..
most of it looks set in stone..

If Ngannou continues to have pro fights then he can stay, he’s more than welcome.

Posted: **14 Nov 2023, 07:37**

joshj909 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023, 04:48
Finkel wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023, 03:29
gregregegg wrote: ↑14 Nov 2023, 01:33

Rules were set and no one’s done anything stupid like putting ddd or nganu number 1. I’d say just keep it. 14/15 will disappear pretty quick with any good win from the guys bellow then, or an activity from Whyte, wilder, Ruiz, ect.
My interpretation was that our rankings were always democratic in that one person's voice had the same weight as another. Though I recognize in a sense, they do, because as you say there was nothing in theory stopping me from voting Chisora #1.

But,

5 people want Ngannou ranked in the top 15. (30% of the vote)
9 people want Wardley ranked in the top 15. (50% of the vote)
7 people want Chisora ranked etc.

Just to be clear I don't have a horse in the race on the above three. Ngannou hasn't got a win to his name. Wardley is still fighting domestic level opposition. Chisora looks shot to bits. But it seems like the rules are being gamed quite a bit by some shouting louder than others.
You could redo your vote and put Wardley and Chisora as 1 & 2 and not rank Ngannou at all. I'm sure some people vote in a tactical way like this, especially at the top, so it wouldn't be that ridiculous.

No, you and gregregegg are right. If I'm being honest with myself, I am just still salty at Fury for making such a meal of it all.

If Ngannou has some more fights and wins, it will look a lot less embarrassing for boxing. I just have to suck it up and accept that the sport may or may not recover from that fight. We will have to wait and see.

As Ruthless-RKO says above, Ngannou may well turn into a welcome addition.

Posted: **14 Nov 2023, 13:37**

1. Usyk
2. Fury
3. Joshua
4. Zhang
5. Hrgovic
6. Joice
7. Wallin
8. Bakole
9. Sanchez
10. Parker
11. Makhmudov
12. Ajagba
13. Dubois
14. Anderson
15. Miller

Posted: **14 Nov 2023, 15:20**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 19:50 i dont have ngan top 15, but i can understand the logic. you can argue he deserved a win over someone most people would've had #1 or #2. if someone thought he edged the fight, it makes sense theyd have him fairly high. its obviously an unusual situation

In my mind, I thought based on his stellar performance against Fury, who on the list would he beat. And after the top three, it's slim pickings

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