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Usyk and Fury no changes.

Kabayel to 4.

Sanchez to 13.

1. Usyk
2. Fury

Sorry didn't see I had to vote manually on this one.

Kab 6.

Frank 14 everyone else bump up to fill the gap.

Feels weird to have frank bellow efe… but since they fought efe has done 1000000x what frank has.

gregregegg wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 04:08 Kab 6.

Frank 14 everyone else bump up to fill the gap.

Feels weird to have frank bellow efe… but since they fought efe has done 1000000x what frank has.

Sanchez's record since the Efe fight, two and a half years ago, would not have him in the top 20.

joshj909 wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 04:50

gregregegg wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 04:08 Kab 6.

Frank 14 everyone else bump up to fill the gap.

Feels weird to have frank bellow efe… but since they fought efe has done 1000000x what frank has.

Sanchez's record since the Efe fight, two and a half years ago, would not have him in the top 20.

Wouldent have him in the top 100… but the efe win is a good win and notttt too long ago. So I am ok with just above wallin. Cause wallin has done 2/5ths of fck all.

gregregegg wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 16:45

joshj909 wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 04:50

gregregegg wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 04:08 Kab 6.

Frank 14 everyone else bump up to fill the gap.

Feels weird to have frank bellow efe… but since they fought efe has done 1000000x what frank has.

Sanchez's record since the Efe fight, two and a half years ago, would not have him in the top 20.

Wouldent have him in the top 100… but the efe win is a good win and notttt too long ago. So I am ok with just above wallin. Cause wallin has done 2/5ths of fck all.

I think a win over Gassiev is reasonable. Given Gassiev hasn't done much at heavyweight it doesn't count for much but it's just enough to keep him at 13 for me.

joshj909 wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 16:54

gregregegg wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 16:45

joshj909 wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 04:50

Sanchez's record since the Efe fight, two and a half years ago, would not have him in the top 20.

Wouldent have him in the top 100… but the efe win is a good win and notttt too long ago. So I am ok with just above wallin. Cause wallin has done 2/5ths of fck all.

I think a win over Gassiev is reasonable. Given Gassiev hasn't done much at heavyweight it doesn't count for much but it's just enough to keep him at 13 for me.

I did forget the gassiev win. As a general rule I really rate cruisers that go to heavy, I think they are nearly always good solid guys. But gassiev has just done nothing… if you asked me where gassiev would be in 2024 5 years ago I would have been sure of a top 15 heavy. If you made me guess where I probably would have been around 5th-8th. It’s a good win for Otto, but still.

We’ll wrap this up on weekend

Usyk #1
Fury #2
Closer fight than Joshua had against Usyk

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 19:02 Usyk #1
Fury #2
Closer fight than Joshua had against Usyk

Those weren't even close, both of them.

Looks like a lot are voting on Fury in the same way Fury/Wilder fans have always voted forgetting how inaccurate it looked in the long run.

Ortiz lost well against Wilder so moves up.
Wallin lost well against Fury so moves up.
Wilder lost well against Fury so moves up.
Fury lost well against Usyk so moves up.

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:01 Looks like a lot are voting on Fury in the same way Fury/Wilder fans have always voted forgetting how inaccurate it looked in the long run.

Ortiz lost well against Wilder so moves up.
Wallin lost well against Fury so moves up.
Wilder lost well against Fury so moves up.
Fury lost well against Usyk so moves up.

The Fury fans have become those fans..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:04

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:01 Looks like a lot are voting on Fury in the same way Fury/Wilder fans have always voted forgetting how inaccurate it looked in the long run.

Ortiz lost well against Wilder so moves up.
Wallin lost well against Fury so moves up.
Wilder lost well against Fury so moves up.
Fury lost well against Usyk so moves up.

The Fury fans have become those fans..

Tactically voting to make their guy look good rather than voting the way they would if it was anyone else.

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:05

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:04

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:01 Looks like a lot are voting on Fury in the same way Fury/Wilder fans have always voted forgetting how inaccurate it looked in the long run.

Ortiz lost well against Wilder so moves up.
Wallin lost well against Fury so moves up.
Wilder lost well against Fury so moves up.
Fury lost well against Usyk so moves up.

The Fury fans have become those fans..

Tactically voting to make their guy look good rather than voting the way they would if it was anyone else.

The top 3 still are Usyk, Fury and Joshua. Being a fan has nothing to do with it.
Personally I cant wait for some young guns to replace them I'm bored with Fury and Joshua. Still waiting on the next generation

tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 05:13

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:05

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:04

The Fury fans have become those fans..

Tactically voting to make their guy look good rather than voting the way they would if it was anyone else.

The top 3 still are Usyk, Fury and Joshua. Being a fan has nothing to do with it.
Personally I cant wait for some young guns to replace them I'm bored with Fury and Joshua. Still waiting on the next generation

In terms of ability, maybe, but Joshua and Fury haven't got top 3 resumes over the past 2-3 years. How long can you squat on a top 3 rank without getting a top 5-10 win?

Fury:
Last 2 years:
#1 Usyk - L
#NR Ngannou - W
#NR Chisora - W

Last 3-6 years:
#NR* Whyte - W
#12 Wilder - W
#12 Wilder - W
#15 Wallin - W
#NR Schwarz - W
#12 Wilder - D
#NR Pianeta - W
#NR Seferi - W

Joshua:
Last 2 years:
#NR Ngannou - W
#15 Wallin - W
#NR Helenius - W
#NR Franklin - W
#1 Usyk - L

Last 3-6 years:
#1 Usyk - L
#NR Pulev - W
#NR* Ruiz - W
#NR* Ruiz - L
#NR Povetkin - W

Fury's big win has been exposed while most of Joshua's, since Parker, have retired. They both need a top 10 win asap to keep up with the recent resume's of the likes of Parker, Kabayel, Zhang etc. How long can they rely on old wins to prop up their record?

The vote is over.

- Oleksandr Usyk remains
- Tyson Fury controversially moves up to #2
- Agit Kabayel moves up to #5
- Frank Sanchez drops down to #12

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 22(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. Tyson Fury - 34(24) 1(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 28(25) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Joseph Parker - 35(23) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Agit Kabayel - 25(17) 0(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 0 0 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Daniel Dubois - 20(19) 2(2) 0 - (#9)

7. Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 2(0) 1 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 3(2) 1 - (#11)

8. Joe Joyce - 16(15) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Daniel Dubois - 20(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 0 0 - (#6)

10. Martin Bakole - 20(15) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 3(2) 1 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 2(0) 1 - (#7)

12. Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Jared Anderson - 17(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Efe Ajagba - 20(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Otto Wallin - 26(14) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

25.05.2024 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 18(17) 1(1) 0 - (Boxrec's #23) vs. Miljan Rovcanin - 27(19) 3(2) 0 - (Boxrec's #260)

07.06.2024 - Michael Hunter - 22(16) 1(0) 2 - (Boxrec's #13) vs. Cassius Chaney - 23(16) 1(0) 0 - (Boxrec's #39)

Added up all the votes and averaged it, Fury to #2..

I mean I know many said it was #1 vs. #2

but we had Fury at #3 before the fight.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 06:13 6. Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 0 0 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Daniel Dubois - 20(19) 2(2) 0 - (#9)

7. Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 2(0) 1 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 3(2) 1 - (#11)

9. Daniel Dubois - 20(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 0 0 - (#6)

11. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 3(2) 1 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 2(0) 1 - (#7)


Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

25.05.2024 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 18(17) 1(1) 0 - (Boxrec's #23) vs. Miljan Rovcanin - 27(19) 3(2) 0 - (Boxrec's #260)

07.06.2024 - Michael Hunter - 22(16) 1(0) 2 - (Boxrec's #13) vs. Cassius Chaney - 23(16) 1(0) 0 - (Boxrec's #39)

+ Joyce Vs Chisora
+ Ruiz Vs Miller
+ Usyk Vs Fury 2 (likely in Sep) as rematch clause is activated

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 07:17
+ Joyce Vs Chisora
+ Ruiz Vs Miller
+ Usyk Vs Fury 2 (likely in Sep) as rematch clause is activated

FFS.. If Chizzy wins, are we gonan put him back in this?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 08:16

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 07:17
+ Joyce Vs Chisora
+ Ruiz Vs Miller
+ Usyk Vs Fury 2 (likely in Sep) as rematch clause is activated

FFS.. If Chizzy wins, are we gonan put him back in this?

Unfortunately, he would have earned it. Zhang is ranked at 7 solely because of his wins over Joyce... I don't see it happening though.

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:05

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:04

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 04:01 Looks like a lot are voting on Fury in the same way Fury/Wilder fans have always voted forgetting how inaccurate it looked in the long run.

Ortiz lost well against Wilder so moves up.
Wallin lost well against Fury so moves up.
Wilder lost well against Fury so moves up.
Fury lost well against Usyk so moves up.

The Fury fans have become those fans..

Tactically voting to make their guy look good rather than voting the way they would if it was anyone else.

Yeah, generally, I'll argue the toss about rankings, then just accept the outcome as the average vote (my opinion is just one opinion after all). But this update does feel like an egregious case of fanboy terrorism.

so whatta ya gonna do now then

I'd still consider Fury the #2 guy behind only Usyk for the time being. A 2nd loss to Usyk or anyone else for that matter would undoubtedly drop him in the rankings. Inactivity would as well. Especially if the other top guys pick up more marquee wins while he's just on the shelf.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 01:20 so whatta ya gonna do now then

Cry myself to sleep

We not voting Mak in are we?

No point in poll?