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apollo creed wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 13:53

gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 13:24

apollo creed wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 13:21

Fuk! I thought Mosley was around 30-33 y/o but not almost 40's. Floyd was a master of timing and cherrypicking.lol

So, after Mosley and Cotto beat Mayorga and Margarito-good profile names, then FMJ jumped to get the fight? Where was FMJ when Cotto beat Mosley in 2007 ? Ricky Hatton ?

It's funny how for all the "He's a Cherry Picker" arguments you hear.

He's still got a deeper resume than anyone of his era except for maybe Pacquiao in terms of quality of opposition.

Well yes, but you have to agree that he was a master of timing?! I mean c'mon, FMJ was very clever in having all the advantages on his side. Ok I could understand the narratives that he liked to build up the demand/hype or he didn't want to give Arum or Oscar big paydays but I think everybody would've loved to see FMJ fighting Cotto and then MP in 2008.

559034 wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 14:24 marciano,patterson,liston,ali,frazier,foreman,leon spinks,mike spinks,mike tyson,buster douglas,holyfield,michael moore,lennox lewis,the klitschko brothers,wilder,tyson fury,usyk did NOT duck people in their prime. this can't be said of mayweather jr.

559034 wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 14:24 marciano,patterson,liston,ali,frazier,foreman,leon spinks,mike spinks,mike tyson,buster douglas,holyfield,michael moore,lennox lewis,the klitschko brothers,wilder,tyson fury,usyk did NOT duck people in their prime. this can't be said of mayweather jr.

JackSprocket wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 15:34 Floyd has a decent resume though

NateJR wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 16:48 Floyd fought Cotto in the first fight Cotto had as a free agent after Cotto left TR. That was no coincidence.

We can all agree that Cotto got robbed of glory when he got beat by a plaster using Margarito and then got weight drained against Pacquiao and didn't even have a full time trainer.

IMO Floyd vs. Cotto was the real super fight, Cotto just had some bumps in the road and had some unfortunate twists in his career.

I still have my suspicions of the legitimacy of Pacquiao moving up all those weight classes naturally. That's despite me being more fond of Pacquaio and appreciating him more now than I used to.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 17:25

NateJR wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 16:48 Floyd fought Cotto in the first fight Cotto had as a free agent after Cotto left TR. That was no coincidence.

We can all agree that Cotto got robbed of glory when he got beat by a plaster using Margarito and then got weight drained against Pacquiao and didn't even have a full time trainer.

IMO Floyd vs. Cotto was the real super fight, Cotto just had some bumps in the road and had some unfortunate twists in his career.

I still have my suspicions of the legitimacy of Pacquiao moving up all those weight classes naturally. That's despite me being more fond of Pacquaio and appreciating him more now than I used to.

Pac was clearly on hgh his whole face and head grew.

giacomino wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 15:54

JackSprocket wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 15:34 Floyd has a decent resume though

Decent? He has a far better resume than Usyk but Usyk has been anointed the Boxing Jesus this week by the heavyweight fan boy brigade. I was not a huge fan of either, but he and Manny have amazing resumes. As does Marquez from that era. And Mosley

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 18:58

giacomino wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 15:54

JackSprocket wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 15:34 Floyd has a decent resume though

Decent? He has a far better resume than Usyk but Usyk has been anointed the Boxing Jesus this week by the heavyweight fan boy brigade. I was not a huge fan of either, but he and Manny have amazing resumes. As does Marquez from that era. And Mosley

X2.. all 4 you mentioned are ahead of Usyk in the p4p conversation

dickbelden wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 10:28

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 18:58

giacomino wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 15:54

Decent? He has a far better resume than Usyk but Usyk has been anointed the Boxing Jesus this week by the heavyweight fan boy brigade. I was not a huge fan of either, but he and Manny have amazing resumes. As does Marquez from that era. And Mosley

X2.. all 4 you mentioned are ahead of Usyk in the p4p conversation

USYK didn't make FURY weigh in @ 152 pounds like floyd did to CANELO! ---and they still called it a 154 pound title fight!

JackSprocket wrote: ↑23 May 2024, 07:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 May 2024, 07:52 maidana mauled floyd and won several rounds in their first fight, but never really hurt him that i can recall. more like swwarmed him with work rate in the first half. i think i had maidana up 4-2 at halfway, though he tired himself out and mostly got picked apart 2nd half, so ended up with floyd winning 7-5. it was a great effort and maidana got rewarded with only an md loss plus a big money rematch for it

Hmm should watch it again, it's been a long time. Didn't Maidana bite him in the rematch

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 11:52

JackSprocket wrote: ↑23 May 2024, 07:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 May 2024, 07:52 maidana mauled floyd and won several rounds in their first fight, but never really hurt him that i can recall. more like swwarmed him with work rate in the first half. i think i had maidana up 4-2 at halfway, though he tired himself out and mostly got picked apart 2nd half, so ended up with floyd winning 7-5. it was a great effort and maidana got rewarded with only an md loss plus a big money rematch for it

Hmm should watch it again, it's been a long time. Didn't Maidana bite him in the rematch

- Boxrec boys tend to conveniently fergit stuff about TBE TUE, but first round of the second fight, almost immediately Maidana walks little floydy to the ropes to fake a right to the body that drops his guard. Maidana has obviously practiced the fake to pull up his right up seamlessly to crack him square on the jaw. Stunned, he immediately grabs Maidana that Bayless has to break up. On the break little floydy immediately backs straight into another rope off balance to bounce off hard and down on the canvas completely immobilized.

Bayless rushes over to push Maidana who is standing over him and freezes as he cannot comprehend that this was a classic delayed knockdown as no other punches but Maidana's crack across his jaw has landed. After a long while Bayliss helps him up, wipes his gloves just like a KD, and little floydy immediately spoils to ride out a long round.

Some time midrounds when little floydy has Maidana in a choke hold, he has his other glove jammed in Maidana's mouth, hence "The Gumshield Bite" where little floydy runs squalin' to he crack daddy about his lil pinky being gummed completely mystifying Bayless again, a clear DQ for stopping the fight by running away, ie turning his back.

little floydy one of my favorite topics, so thanks guys

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 18:58

giacomino wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 15:54

JackSprocket wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 15:34 Floyd has a decent resume though

Decent? He has a far better resume than Usyk but Usyk has been anointed the Boxing Jesus this week by the heavyweight fan boy brigade. I was not a huge fan of either, but he and Manny have amazing resumes. As does Marquez from that era. And Mosley

X2.. all 4 you mentioned are ahead of Usyk in the p4p conversation

JackSprocket wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 15:34 Floyd has a decent resume though

JackSprocket wrote: ↑22 May 2024, 23:53 I mean I think about it every day basically

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 11:52

JackSprocket wrote: ↑23 May 2024, 07:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 May 2024, 07:52 maidana mauled floyd and won several rounds in their first fight, but never really hurt him that i can recall. more like swwarmed him with work rate in the first half. i think i had maidana up 4-2 at halfway, though he tired himself out and mostly got picked apart 2nd half, so ended up with floyd winning 7-5. it was a great effort and maidana got rewarded with only an md loss plus a big money rematch for it

Hmm should watch it again, it's been a long time. Didn't Maidana bite him in the rematch

- Boxrec boys tend to conveniently fergit stuff about TBE TUE, but first round of the second fight, almost immediately Maidana walks little floydy to the ropes to fake a right to the body that drops his guard. Maidana has obviously practiced the fake to pull up his right up seamlessly to crack him square on the jaw. Stunned, he immediately grabs Maidana that Bayless has to break up. On the break little floydy immediately backs straight into another rope off balance to bounce off hard and down on the canvas completely immobilized.

Bayless rushes over to push Maidana who is standing over him and freezes as he cannot comprehend that this was a classic delayed knockdown as no other punches but Maidana's crack across his jaw has landed. After a long while Bayliss helps him up, wipes his gloves just like a KD, and little floydy immediately spoils to ride out a long round.

Some time midrounds when little floydy has Maidana in a choke hold, he has his other glove jammed in Maidana's mouth, hence "The Gumshield Bite" where little floydy runs squalin' to he crack daddy about his lil pinky being gummed completely mystifying Bayless again, a clear DQ for stopping the fight by running away, ie turning his back.

little floydy one of my favorite topics, so thanks guys

559034 wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 14:24 marciano,patterson,liston,ali,frazier,foreman,leon spinks,mike spinks,mike tyson,buster douglas,holyfield,michael moore,lennox lewis,the klitschko brothers,wilder,tyson fury,usyk did NOT duck people in their prime. this can't be said of mayweather jr.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 10:43

dickbelden wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 10:28

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 May 2024, 18:58

X2.. all 4 you mentioned are ahead of Usyk in the p4p conversation

USYK didn't make FURY weigh in @ 152 pounds like floyd did to CANELO! ---and they still called it a 154 pound title fight!

Pacquiao had 145 limit for Cotto
Canelo used 155 for his middleweight run and then jumped to 168

It is not unprecedented

dickbelden wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 10:49

tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 10:43

dickbelden wrote: ↑25 May 2024, 10:28
USYK didn't make FURY weigh in @ 152 pounds like floyd did to CANELO! ---and they still called it a 154 pound title fight!

Pacquiao had 145 limit for Cotto
Canelo used 155 for his middleweight run and then jumped to 168

It is not unprecedented

it is NOT unprecedented but it is wrong & cowardly. when sugar ray robinson fought for the 175 pound title he weighted 157.5---joey maxim weighted 173---no rehydration clause---that's BALLS---many others would never have the courage to do this!