Re: Mike McCallum versus Bernard Hopkins
Posted: 26 Jul 2025, 17:51
Underdog hopkins jumps 2 divisions and blanks antonio tarver
"Not impressive"
"Not impressive"
Did he stop a hall of famer fighter with a left hook to the body?
He achieved several extremely good wins as he aged too. Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik, Winky Wright, Jean Pascal 2x.elmersalsa wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025, 16:31Bernard Hopkins never impressed me. He only achieved great wins against overrated superstars like Felix "Tito" Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya who were his best wins.Expug wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025, 13:42He wasn’t on another level than Hopkins. Absolutely ridiculous.elmersalsa wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025, 11:16 People think that Mike McCallum was Felix "Tito" Trinidad.
I can't see Bernard Hopkins out boxing a guy like McCallum who was an extremely complete boxer. He was in another level than Hopkins.
In this fight, whoever gets outboxed is The Executioner.
When he beat the great Roy Jones Jr, Jones was already shot.
Mike McCallum was in another level. It was that in his prime, he didn't had that opponent nor the opportunity to showcase his extraordinary skills.
As a Herol Graham sympathiser, I want to present a counter argument here.
Longest reigning Middleweight Champion ever. 3x Light Heavyweight Champion. Oldest Champion ever in Boxing in any weight class.Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025, 14:10 Hopkins wasnt soundly beaten until kovalev beat him when he was nearly 50
Roy beat him but he stilled pulled 4 rounds off him
He aguably beat taylor twice and calazaghe (arguably - i think cal nicked him)
Hes undeniably an all time great. Boring at times? No doubt. A bs artist and dirty fighter? You bet. But unimpressive and overrated? Not a chance. Hes an all time great fighter
He knocked out tito when tito was in his prime not coming from a ko loss against lloyd honeyghan. He moved up in weight and shut out the champ at 175, he didnt get his ass kicked and dominated.
McCallum knocks out a surprisingly faded Donald Curry with a right hand to the body, left hook to the head combination, and he’s the most complete fighter ever seen.Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025, 14:10 Hopkins wasnt soundly beaten until kovalev beat him when he was nearly 50
Roy beat him but he stilled pulled 4 rounds off him
He aguably beat taylor twice and calazaghe (arguably - i think cal nicked him)
Hes undeniably an all time great. Boring at times? No doubt. A bs artist and dirty fighter? You bet. But unimpressive and overrated? Not a chance. Hes an all time great fighter
He knocked out tito when tito was in his prime not coming from a ko loss against lloyd honeyghan. He moved up in weight and shut out the champ at 175, he didnt get his ass kicked and dominated.
My favorite thing is his top 100 thread. At the beginning toney doesnt make it. But he really wanted to include mccallum. But even he realizes toney is better and thats absurd. So he includes mike then includes toney. After saying toney doesnt make the cut at the start. HahahabaExpug wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025, 16:13McCallum knocks out a surprisingly faded Donald Curry with a right hand to the body, left hook to the head combination, and he’s the most complete fighter ever seen.Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025, 14:10 Hopkins wasnt soundly beaten until kovalev beat him when he was nearly 50
Roy beat him but he stilled pulled 4 rounds off him
He aguably beat taylor twice and calazaghe (arguably - i think cal nicked him)
Hes undeniably an all time great. Boring at times? No doubt. A bs artist and dirty fighter? You bet. But unimpressive and overrated? Not a chance. Hes an all time great fighter
He knocked out tito when tito was in his prime not coming from a ko loss against lloyd honeyghan. He moved up in weight and shut out the champ at 175, he didnt get his ass kicked and dominated.
Zale knocks out Graziano with the same combination and yet, it’s primitive skills.
Still, he ain't in Mike McCallum's league. He may achieve more than McCallum, and deservedly so he is way ahead of The Body Snatcher in the all time pound per pound rankings in my view, but skill wise, McCallum was in another level.gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025, 22:44He achieved several extremely good wins as he aged too. Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik, Winky Wright, Jean Pascal 2x.elmersalsa wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025, 16:31Bernard Hopkins never impressed me. He only achieved great wins against overrated superstars like Felix "Tito" Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya who were his best wins.
When he beat the great Roy Jones Jr, Jones was already shot.
Mike McCallum was in another level. It was that in his prime, he didn't had that opponent nor the opportunity to showcase his extraordinary skills.
All those wins came in his 40's, and they're all really good ones.
Look at the film. It's a total difference in the way both fighters punch. One did it with precision and accuracy. The other one did it with wildness and desperation. Two different levels.Expug wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025, 16:13McCallum knocks out a surprisingly faded Donald Curry with a right hand to the body, left hook to the head combination, and he’s the most complete fighter ever seen.Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025, 14:10 Hopkins wasnt soundly beaten until kovalev beat him when he was nearly 50
Roy beat him but he stilled pulled 4 rounds off him
He aguably beat taylor twice and calazaghe (arguably - i think cal nicked him)
Hes undeniably an all time great. Boring at times? No doubt. A bs artist and dirty fighter? You bet. But unimpressive and overrated? Not a chance. Hes an all time great fighter
He knocked out tito when tito was in his prime not coming from a ko loss against lloyd honeyghan. He moved up in weight and shut out the champ at 175, he didnt get his ass kicked and dominated.
Zale knocks out Graziano with the same combination and yet, it’s primitive skills.
Wrong. Zale landed that combination repeatedly. Early in the fight he fainted with the right hand and landed the left hook dropping Rocky. Later he’d throw the right hand to the body following it with a left hook to the head. He’d get Rocky to throw that right hand of his and counter with the combination. Nothing wild about it. I’ve seen the film. And, I know what I’m looking at.elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025, 14:48Look at the film. It's a total difference in the way both fighters punch. One did it with precision and accuracy. The other one did it with wildness and desperation. Two different levels.Expug wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025, 16:13McCallum knocks out a surprisingly faded Donald Curry with a right hand to the body, left hook to the head combination, and he’s the most complete fighter ever seen.Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025, 14:10 Hopkins wasnt soundly beaten until kovalev beat him when he was nearly 50
Roy beat him but he stilled pulled 4 rounds off him
He aguably beat taylor twice and calazaghe (arguably - i think cal nicked him)
Hes undeniably an all time great. Boring at times? No doubt. A bs artist and dirty fighter? You bet. But unimpressive and overrated? Not a chance. Hes an all time great fighter
He knocked out tito when tito was in his prime not coming from a ko loss against lloyd honeyghan. He moved up in weight and shut out the champ at 175, he didnt get his ass kicked and dominated.
Zale knocks out Graziano with the same combination and yet, it’s primitive skills.
At lhw id say hopkins beats him easier than mw. Hopkins was the better lhw
Mike McCallum wins. Just look at his fight with Jeff Harding. A total master class.
Basically your reason for picking McCallum is that you prefer watching him?elmersalsa wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025, 00:31Mike McCallum wins. Just look at his fight with Jeff Harding. A total master class.
Now in a series I wonder how it would have goneJeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025, 22:03At lhw id say hopkins beats him easier than mw. Hopkins was the better lhw