Daniel Dubois to train with Tony Sims / Splits with Don Charles

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 19 Aug 2025, 07:16

I think we can all agree

Dubois didn’t write anything
The lack of crayon is a dead giveaway :TU:
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rio wrote: 19 Aug 2025, 14:45 Heard he lasted an afternoon with Mark Tibbs who kicked him out his gym because of his Dad's hands on approach!
You are turning down a lot of money by not being his trainer, most folk would be queuing up.

Says a lot about Mark Tibbs that he said no, and that he hasn't talked about it
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rio wrote: 19 Aug 2025, 14:45 Heard he lasted an afternoon with Mark Tibbs who kicked him out his gym because of his Dad's hands on approach!
Self respect is worth more than money :TU:
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Nightmare Roy wrote: 19 Aug 2025, 18:27
rio wrote: 19 Aug 2025, 14:45 Heard he lasted an afternoon with Mark Tibbs who kicked him out his gym because of his Dad's hands on approach!
Self respect is worth more than money :TU:
Not usually in boxing ! :lol:
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Daniel Dubois 'upset' by Oleksandr Usyk loss and 'needed a change' from trainer Don Charles, says manager Sam Jones

Daniel Dubois was "upset" with his performance in the knockout loss to Oleksandr Usyk and felt he "needed a change" from trainer Don Charles, according to manager Sam Jones.

Dubois confirmed the split on Monday, ending an 18-month partnership that saw the 27-year-old rise to heavyweight world champion and come within reach of undisputed glory before falling to Usyk at Wembley.

"I can confirm I've parted ways with Don Charles," Dubois said in a statement. "I have immense gratitude to Don for the time and effort he's put into me over the last 18 months, and I wish him nothing but success going forward."

Now under new management, Dubois faces a familiar rebuilding task. It's a path he's walked before, bouncing back from his shock defeat to Joe Joyce in 2020 and his first loss to Usyk two years ago.

Jones stressed the decision was driven by Dubois' hunger to return to the top, not a reflection on Charles' work.

"I've been around Daniel for just over a week," Jones told Sky Sports. "He's decided he needs a fresh team - a new voice, a new plan. But that's not to diminish anything Don Charles has done. He's done a fantastic job.

"They shared some incredible nights. The AJ fight at Wembley was iconic, and Don played a massive role in that. But this is life - Daniel felt he needed a change, and that's what's happened."

Jones is overseeing the comeback, with one clear goal: to make Dubois a two-time heavyweight champion of the world.

"Daniel just wants to win boxing matches," Jones added. "He's a fighter through and through.

"He was upset with his performance against Usyk, he thought he could do a lot better. But there's no shame in losing to the greatest heavyweight of this era. He's undoubtedly the best of this generation.

"Daniel's lost to him a couple of times. He lost to Joe Joyce when he was very young. There's no shame in that. He's a former world champion, and now the sole focus is becoming a two-time heavyweight champion of the world."

Jones revealed he has a meeting scheduled with promoter allegedly next week, with a potential December return to the ring for Dubois on the table.

As for Dubois' next opponent, Jones said all options are open - including a rematch with Anthony Joshua - and predicted a future clash with rising heavyweight prospect Moses Itauma is inevitable.

"100 per cent. That fight [with Itauma] is going to happen," Jones said. "Daniel's 27. Moses looks like a phenomenal talent at 20. These boys are going to be the future.

"You've got Fabio Wardley riding a wave right now. We're entering a new era. Young Leo Atang was in the Sky Sports studios recently - he'll be in the mix soon too. These are the heavyweights who will shape British boxing going forward."

Jones also welcomed the idea of a second showdown with Joshua, adding: "The rematch with AJ is always there. I'm a big AJ fan - I've made no secret of that.

"He's a proud man, and I know he won't want to keep seeing that knockout by Daniel on his screen. I'm sure he'll want to right that wrong. And if he ever wants to, then let's get it on.

"It's all about what's best for Daniel now - WBO, IBF, WBC. He belongs at the top table in heavyweight boxing. He's an elite-level heavyweight. All those names you mentioned - Daniel will be back in the mix."
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Think the thing this tells u is simple , who has pride, and who puts money, before there pride , Daniels dad is'nt , lisceneced for manager or trainer, so he can't realisticly manage or train him , But what he can do is dictate to Daniel who they employ to front the job , and do has there told , Jones well theres no suprise there what so ever , Sims i'm a bit suprised , i would of thought he would be a bit too high profile and established to do the job , knowing full well interfirence is coming , followed by blame when he can't change him ,, Still depends if he's on a wage or a set % , DD fights Moses next, that would be massive and say 5-10% of that would be a tidy sum , either way its not gonna last more than a couple of fights and i don't thik i have to be a clairvoent to say that .

But the other guy quitting and Charles keeping his mouth shut all this time just agreeing with there theatrics , makes me wonder if he had been paid , he's been around long enough to know the bollocks that went on prior to Usyk was excatly that a load of bollocks , but never defended himself insted defending the dad , , now he's sacked give it 12 months he'll probably write a book detailing he had to put up with it all, because he wanted to get paid and did'nt want to rock the boat , before payday . Sacked and payed (hopefully ) stories may change
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Will be really good when Charles and Farrell speak on this.
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To be fair, he went on a great run with Charles, wins against Miller, Herg and AJ is one hell of a run. It wouldn't have mattered who he had in the corner against Usyk, he's never beating him, he's just too fcuking good!
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Suppose another scenario .may be Don found some balls and put his foot down stating enough is enough of the nonsence . After the success he had and the carryon with partyz. Free tickets on the day of the biggest fight in his life . Then the ridicule from fellow profesionals had well has us phlebs on forums . Well chances are Don said enogh is enough from now on its my way . So the old man kicked him into touch . Supposd we.ll have to wait a while for thd book.
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Nightmare Roy wrote: 21 Aug 2025, 11:57 To be fair, he went on a great run with Charles, wins against Miller, Herg and AJ is one hell of a run. It wouldn't have mattered who he had in the corner against Usyk, he's never beating him, he's just too fcuking good!
It was a good run alright.
And very, very entertaining from a fan perspective.
And hopefully he is a developing fighter, and you can always learn new things from a new team.
I would like to think Daniel isn't the completed fighter yet, and we get to see improvement from him, and his corner.
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KiwiRider wrote: 22 Aug 2025, 00:54
Nightmare Roy wrote: 21 Aug 2025, 11:57 To be fair, he went on a great run with Charles, wins against Miller, Herg and AJ is one hell of a run. It wouldn't have mattered who he had in the corner against Usyk, he's never beating him, he's just too fcuking good!
It was a good run alright.
And very, very entertaining from a fan perspective.
And hopefully he is a developing fighter, and you can always learn new things from a new team.
I would like to think Daniel isn't the completed fighter yet, and we get to see improvement from him, and his corner.
Personaly i look at Moses then compare him to Dd and think who.s more ready and complete out of the two and think Moses. Daniel is complete physicly but mentaly i think your looking at even a very very imature man or a man with issues .. Moseson the other hand he.s got it physicly and mentaly . Talk off not ready for him is just postpone. wait for Usyk to retire talk . Alls that kid needs is rnds and theresnot too.many gonna be able to.give them
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Reports suggest that Dubious could fight Adeleye on the Benn v Eubank jr rematch card
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coneye wrote: 22 Aug 2025, 06:37
KiwiRider wrote: 22 Aug 2025, 00:54
Nightmare Roy wrote: 21 Aug 2025, 11:57 To be fair, he went on a great run with Charles, wins against Miller, Herg and AJ is one hell of a run. It wouldn't have mattered who he had in the corner against Usyk, he's never beating him, he's just too fcuking good!
It was a good run alright.
And very, very entertaining from a fan perspective.
And hopefully he is a developing fighter, and you can always learn new things from a new team.
I would like to think Daniel isn't the completed fighter yet, and we get to see improvement from him, and his corner.
Personaly i look at Moses then compare him to Dd and think who.s more ready and complete out of the two and think Moses. Daniel is complete physicly but mentaly i think your looking at even a very very imature man or a man with issues .. Moseson the other hand he.s got it physicly and mentaly . Talk off not ready for him is just postpone. wait for Usyk to retire talk . Alls that kid needs is rnds and theresnot too.many gonna be able to.give them
Totally agree with this
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really impressed by moses and his michael dokes like short fast punches in combo, but with his lack of rounds and challenge we know nothing about stamina, heart, chin. almost everything other than his offensive abilities

granted maybe he just wipes everyone out early so those dont come into play, but i suspect there are fighters below elite level but better than his current opponents who can give him more of a test in those regards

big dan looked mighty as frontrunner too
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That must rule out David Adeleye.
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Who do we think? Joshua rematch? Kabayel? Okolie? Wardley? Parker? Zhang? Riakporhe? Itauma? Jalolov? Torrez? Anything else doesn't meet that description.
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joshj909 wrote: 30 Aug 2025, 09:47 Who do we think? Joshua rematch? Kabayel? Okolie? Wardley? Parker? Zhang? Riakporhe? Itauma? Jalolov? Torrez? Anything else doesn't meet that description.
Wardley would be good and I think Wardley would not shirk it unless he has a title fight in mind if the belts are fragmenting
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I actually trust Frank on stuff like this. will be great to see Dubois out fighting again (but just not against Usyk)
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THEBUTCH wrote: 30 Aug 2025, 05:17 That must rule out David Adeleye.
:lol:
Fabio Wardley set the bar so high for the Lonsdale belt that when guys like TKV and Adeleye fight for it, well....
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I'd settle for Dubois v Wardley, but I suspect W@rren isn't ready to risk a stoppage loss for Fabio at the fists of Dubois.

Wardley will have to make serious modifications to his approach & defence if he's pitched in with a banger like DDD.
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joshj909 wrote: 30 Aug 2025, 09:47 Who do we think? Joshua rematch? Kabayel? Okolie? Wardley? Parker? Zhang? Riakporhe? Itauma? Jalolov? Torrez? Anything else doesn't meet that description.
So it's not Parker, Wardley or Joshua.
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Warren on Dillian Whyte’s future after his first round KO loss to Itauma
“One thing’s for sure, it happens in fights. Things like that, first round, won’t be the first, won’t be the last fighter for that to happen to. He was in with an exceptional talent.”

On Usyk requesting an extension to negotiate with Parker due to a back injury only for a video to surface of him seemingly auditioning for the Dirty Dancing remake
“No (I don’t doubt his injury) because I haven’t seen the video…[Warren takes a moment to actually watch the video]. Looks like he’s suffering from a back injury there rather than dancing (laughs). Well, we’ll see…I don’t think he particularly wants to be fighting Joe Parker. I think he’s got in his head that he wants to be in what he would consider to be a major fight with a major opponent but Joe deserves his chance, and Joe believes he can win that fight.”

On Daniel Dubois firing Don Charles
“I think it’s regrettable, but again, that’s their choice. I got my views on it but that’s their choice…It worked with Don, he had three good wins with Don…I don’t like fighters keep jumping and changing trainers. I don’t like that. I like fighters to be settled. But, you know, it is what it is. What do I know, I only been doing this a long, long time.

“Believe it or not, as well as being a promoter, being a manger I think I’ve managed more champions than anybody in the history of British boxing. So I think I may know a little about what I’m talking about but, you know, it is what it is.

“(Dubois) got a lot of serious, serious tools in the box. He’s a big puncher, he’s got a good jab, he’s fast on his feet. There’s things that could have been done right prior to the fight which didn’t happen. Did it affect him? I don’t know or whatever but the bottom line of it is he’s still a young man, he’s 27. He’s still got a chance to resurrect himself and we will see. You take Mr. Usyk out of the equation then he gives anybody, and he’s given good fighters big problems.”
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