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number one foreman didnt go down like i said only 2 ali & young but his lists go on how about fraizer shavers moorer when he was 45? what about tyson the last credible ko hes had was bruno? & dont even go back in time when tyson was 21 because when george cameout of the olympics he wouldve killed a 21 yr old tyson 13 yr old tyson 2 you know what tyson wouldvegotten hit so hard his mother wouldve felt it.

reverend jimmy dont get in this with me. i cant tell from some of ur posts u will not beat me. maybe if u knew more about boxing like some of the other good debaters on here i would give u some respect.

so lets see, the topic is ummm 1990's heavyweights. so that would mean we are talking about the 45 year old george foreman who got shut out by morrison and outboxed by evander and moorer. not the 25 year old foreman. so foremans KO's of frazier and all the 70s heavyweights have no releveance here considering where talking about how formeman rated in the 1990s.
I have no idea why u mentioned shavers?? he never even fought george. anyways, Tommy morrison has no problem with foreman and neither did holyfield. neither did moorer for 9 rounds until he KOed him. NOw seeing these results, im pretty sure Tyson who would be 28 in 1995 still has enough power and ability to defeat an old out ofshape past legend who has nothing more than a punchers chance. unlike moorer, tyson can hit and easily outslug an older foreman and tyson would defientely KO george foreman at 45 no question. foreman cannot cope with his power. even a prime tyson vs formean, tyson has more power in my opinion and might KO him but his styles not good against foreman.

so, tyson in 1990 held the heavyweight title twice, first in 1990 before losing it and then he beat ruddock twice and then won the WBC and WBA belts to win it again. foreman beat a bunch of bums and diminished names like qawi and cooney, then lost to holyfield, then lost to morrison, then got outboxed for 9 rounds before upssetting moorer, then defended his title on a questionable decision over axel shulz, then vanished.
so overall, tyson was the better fighter of the 90s and was still a top contender all the years he fought. foreman was only a contener and champ a couple years and by 1997 he retired. tyson would have beaten the foreman of the nineties. end of discussion. [/quote]

if thats the case then why didnt tyson ever give foremanthe shot?
first let me say this i dont like foreman but tyson wouldnt have stood a chance. maybe you never payed attention to the boxers that tyson faced but i did. tubbs was a great challenger i guess? how about carl williams? at least foreman fought the best unlike the dodger.

HERBIE HIDE- 28 wins, 27 KO's in the 90's, only loss was to Bowe, also lost Klitchko but that was around 2000

LARRY DONALD-36 wins, in the 90's, only loss was to Bowe

ANDREW GOLOTA-34 wins in the 90's, only lost to Lewis, got DQ'd from both Bowe fights while leading on all the scorecards. Lost to Grant in DEC of 99, didn't count that.

MICHAEL GRANT-31 wins, 0 losses in the 90's

IKE IBEABUCHI-UNDEFEATED, KO'd Byrd, beat Tua, both undefeated at the time and ranked #1, took WBC to jail with him.

DAVID TUA-33 wins, 27 KO's in 90's, only loss was close decision vs Ibeabuchi.

VITALI KLITCHKO-27 wins, 27 KO's in the 90's, KO'd Hide for WBO title in 2 rounds, 6 title fights, 6 KO's.

Some guys who were overlooked in the voting apparently, up above.
Ike and Vitali gotta crack the top 10, McCall, Morrison, Douglas, i don't know what you guys are smoking but it ain't boxing weed, please don't make fun of me for putting Donald's name up there, i know he's a flake.

LEWIS-#1- Olympic Gold
BOWE-#2- Olympic Silver
HOLYFIELD-#3- Olympic Bronze(DQ'd from finals)

Funny how things fall into place a decade later.

The most popular heavyweights from the 90's

Tyson
Holyfield
Butterbean
Bowe
Lewis
Douglas
Foreman
Morrison

In no particular order

reverendjimmy the only thing u payed attention to the last 50 years was the cigar ur holding in ur hand right now. HAS THE SMOKE GOT TO UR BRAIN???

George foreman held the WBA and IBF title in 95 and Tyson held the WBC. Now george got stripped of the WBA for facing axel instead of tony tucker who might have beaten foreman. Foreman didnt even want to face tucker let alone unify the title with tyson. he knew tyson would have knocked him out. foreman didnt even bother to defend the IBF title after that and got stripped.

Im pretty sure everyonr agrees with me that in 1995 tyson would have beaten george foreman.

The top 5 guys are pretty much locks, but the order seems to be the issue. In my opinion, and I am talking about these guys at their absolute best (in the 90's so the 80's Tyson, whom I think would beat any 90's Heavyweight doesn't count).

1. Holyfield -As much as it hurts me to do this, I agree with Professor X. I think Holyfield could fight with bigger fighters, handle their punch, and keep on going all night long. I think if he fought Lennox Lewis before his 3rd fight with Bowe he would have knocked Lewis out. He was to fast, conditioned, motivated, and had a great blend of skills, power, and speed, plus he had the most heart of any heavyweight since the 70's. A true credit to the sport and one of my top 10 heavy's of all time.

2. Riddick Bowe. This is the Bowe from the first Holyfield fight. That is him at his best. I think he would have stopped Lennox Lewis at his best. I know Lewis beat him in the Olympics, but the guy in the ring with Holyfield in that first fight was so awesome. He showed heart, stamina, his power was great, he had good speed, and solid technique, not to mention Eddy Futch. He gets second because I think the first fight with Holyfield was and eye opener for Evander. I still think both were on top of their game in the second match up and Evander won. In the third one I think they were both down well below their best.

3. Lennox Lewis - Okay, I will take some heat for having him 3rd and not 1st or 2nd but Lennox just never seemed to have the fire of the other 2 guys. Now the Lennox that rematched Rahman and McCall was awesome. I know he held the belt and beat Holyfield but I just can't see him beating Bowe unless Lennox came in motivated. I hate that they never fought because I think they would have brought out the best in each other in the ring with Bowes being just a little bit better.

4. Foreman - He is 4 and not 5 because I think he could take Tysons punch and had better stamina than the 90's Tyson. I see this old George and the 90's Tyson fight playing out like the Danny Williams/Tyson fight did.

5.Tyson - Even Tyson at 80% of his 80's self could beat the rest of the 90's Heavyweights.

6. Ibeabuchi - I hate to agree with Prof X again, but this guy never realized his potential. He would have been champion. He had it all except a freakin' brain!

7. Larry Holmes. He beat some guys in the 90's by simply giving them a boxing lesson. His jab is the best and that is all he would need to beat anyone other than the guys above him.

8 Ray Mercer - When he came to fight he could go with anyone on the list.

9. Michael Moorer - He was one of the top 5 of all time in his original weight class (IMO), however, he found out the big boys could take his power and hurt him in return. I think he had some good skills, but even at his best his chin was not very good. If it were he would be higher on this list.

10. Frank Bruno/Tommy Morrison (tie) - This juice bar was like a glass jawed, white version of Mike Tyson in terms of speed and power. He could box a little bit too. If he had a chin he could have beat a couple of these guys. Now Frank hit hard, boxed well, had great heart, but again we have a fighter who couldn't take the big punch from the guys above.

Ok zslayton, ur another one of those clueless guys that needs to realize that MIKE TYSON WOULD HAVE BEATEN A 45 YEAR OLD GEORGE FOREMAN.

GODD DAMM TOMMY MORRISON WITH A GLASS JAW BEAT THE HELL OUT OF FOREMAN. AND YES, TYSON WOULD HAVE KAYOD MORRISON

HELLO!! WHERE TALKING ASBOUT A 45 YEAR OLD MAN WHO NEVER EVEN DESERVED TO GET A TITLE SHOT LET ALONE HIS LUCKY KO OF MOORER.
WHERE NOT TALKIING ABOUT THE 1974 FOREMAN PEOPLE, WAKE UP!!!!!

Without a doubt Holyfield is #1 of the 90's for any and all who are willing to be intellectually honest (and about all in the boxing biz would agree - Even Emanuel Stewert has said as much here in Detroit) - The fact is Lennox beat an old Holyfield (first fight) and an old Holyfield really won their second fight (it was nothing more than a make-up call for the first fight - Holyfield set the pace, landed the more telling blows and shook Lennox us several times...he just didn't have the legs anymore to end it).

With that said.

1. Holyfield
2. Lennox (even though I think both a prime Bowe and Tyson would have beat him - but strickly sticking with the 90's....Lennox had better wins)
3. Tyson
4. Bowe
5. Foreman
6. Moorer
7. Razor Ruddock
8. Mercer
9. McCall
10. About 3 or 4 guys could be tied for this one.

Holyfield would have lost to lewis had he been in his prime also. holyfield always has problems with bigger fighters like bowe and lewis. he didnt fit well with their styles. o yeah, and lewis won both fights buddy.

Brockton, Lewis wouldn't have been able to handle the swarm a prime Holyfield would put on his ass. An old Holyfield took his punch so a young one would take it and smile, then keep coming. I do agree that Lewis should have gotten the W in their two fights though, but he got a Holyfield that had been on the slide for a while, not the same one that went to war with Bowe.

As far as the Tyson thing goes, I think a young Tyson would beat him, no doubt about that, but the Tyson of the mid-late 90's would do just what he did against the other guys that beat him up in the 90's. He would come out strong and look good for a couple of rounds then georges jab would get to him and before you know it his straight right would put Tyson to sleep.