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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

silkov wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:What Tszyu not as good as Honeyghan? Of course Honeyghan was a bigger man than Tszyu, but Kostya was a fantastic champ.

Kostya was good but pound for pound I think Honeyghan was a better all round boxer, faster too... with more the style to beat Hatton, aside from the fact that he was also naturally bigger... I think Kostya is rather overrated as a champion myself... too much inactivity and hot and cold performances... the Honeyghan who beat Curry, Bumphus and Hatcher would have had far too much for Ricky imo...

You think Bumphus and Hatcher are impressive names?

Lloyd did very well to go over and beat Curry, but Curry was in a bad way by fight night, and you could see that he just wasn't prepared for a hard night's work. You could say the same about Tszyu, but Kostya gave Ricky some serious hard licks in rounds 3,4,5,6,7, and it looked like he was going to bash Ricky up at one point. Curry was never in the fight at all.

Honeyghan was nowhere near as accurate as Tszyu and didn't have the same sniper like deadly punching either.

salaco wrote:

silkov wrote:

salaco wrote: Not a hope, Curry would have clowned him worse than Starling did. Its a great mystery how Curry just turned shit (comparatively) in the space of one fight, Honeyghan played his part but the stage was set for him.

Now, Tszyu could have had problems with Honeyghan, particularly the younger Tszyu who got beaten down by Phillips...the older one would have coasted to a decision (p4p)...

Well Honeyghan did beat Curry didn't he?... and the Honeyghan who beat Curry was a different fighter to the one who was beaten by Starling...

Hey, he won - no question...I just don;t think it was a question of styles..it was just the night it was...

..and although Honeyghan had faded somewhat by the time of Starling, I don;t think it would have made much difference, he was made to order

silkov wrote:

salaco wrote:

silkov wrote: Well Honeyghan did beat Curry didn't he?... and the Honeyghan who beat Curry was a different fighter to the one who was beaten by Starling...

Hey, he won - no question...I just don;t think it was a question of styles..it was just the night it was...

..and although Honeyghan had faded somewhat by the time of Starling, I don;t think it would have made much difference, he was made to order

A peak Honeyghan would have been a different proposition to the one-dimensional Honeyghan that fought Starling.

silkov wrote:Personally I think Dave Boy Green would have beaten Hatton as well...

silkov wrote: Bumphus and Hatcher were decent fighters... no worse than 99% of Hattons opposition... but its not just that Honeyghan beat them but how he beat them!...

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I remember that Bumphus was seen as cannon fodder going into the fight, and yes he looked about 150 in the ring, he also had a piss poor record fighting mainly over the hill guys and people wiht losing records coming into the Honeyghan fight.

MightyWarrior wrote:

silkov wrote: Bumphus and Hatcher were decent fighters... no worse than 99% of Hattons opposition... but its not just that Honeyghan beat them but how he beat them!...

But don't forget, in an early blue print for the way FW brought Hatton along, Micky Duff picked two aging fighters from a division below for Lloyd's first two defences: Bumphus and Hatcher were both LWelters really.

And Bumphus was absolutely shot to pieces: his legs looked stiff on the way to the ring. I'll never forget the stare down Honey inflicted on a terrified looking Bumphus before the first bell - Johnny seemed to shrink in size as Honey moved his head closer and closer....no wonder Tyson was a fan of Honeyghan.

And Hatcher was caught by one of the wildest punches you'll ever see - Lloyd was swinging from the hip and almost took Hatcher's head clean off.
The rubbish ref let Honey tee off on an unconcious Hatcher, propped on the ropes, and thankfully Lloyd decided to stop punching himself and walked away.

hitman_hatton1 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I remember that Bumphus was seen as cannon fodder going into the fight, and yes he looked about 150 in the ring, he also had a piss poor record fighting mainly over the hill guys and people wiht losing records coming into the Honeyghan fight.

bumphus got taken to the cleaners alright.

love that bit when honeyghan rushes him before the bell to start rd 2. lou duva was so incensed i thought he was gonna trade places with bumphus.

i've got all of honeyghan's title fights and the mittee fight. i might give em a look over the next few days, i've not watched em for a while.

bennie wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:

silkov wrote: Bumphus and Hatcher were decent fighters... no worse than 99% of Hattons opposition... but its not just that Honeyghan beat them but how he beat them!...

But don't forget, in an early blue print for the way FW brought Hatton along, Micky Duff picked two aging fighters from a division below for Lloyd's first two defences: Bumphus and Hatcher were both LWelters really.

And Bumphus was absolutely shot to pieces: his legs looked stiff on the way to the ring. I'll never forget the stare down Honey inflicted on a terrified looking Bumphus before the first bell - Johnny seemed to shrink in size as Honey moved his head closer and closer....no wonder Tyson was a fan of Honeyghan.

And Hatcher was caught by one of the wildest punches you'll ever see - Lloyd was swinging from the hip and almost took Hatcher's head clean off.
The rubbish ref let Honey tee off on an unconcious Hatcher, propped on the ropes, and thankfully Lloyd decided to stop punching himself and walked away.

I was disappointed in Honeyghan as champ. He developed into a brawler. Most of his title defences, especially against Blocker, were awful to watch. It didn't help that his relationship with Mickey Duff had broken down (shades of McGuigan-Eastwood), prompting Duff to say, memorably: "there is nothing in our contract that says we have to like each other."
Honeyghan peaked the night he beat Curry, in my opinion. His all-round game seemed to leave him as champ.

stujones wrote:Honeyghun also tried to be the same fighter and fight the same way when on the slide - which is a common problem with fighters who get shot at a relatively young age.

silkov wrote:

stujones wrote:Honeyghun also tried to be the same fighter and fight the same way when on the slide - which is a common problem with fighters who get shot at a relatively young age.

After the Starling fight he tried to go back to his earlier boxing style but his legs were pretty much gone... I remember his fight with Pazienza... one of the saddest but bravest displays I've seen from a British fighter...

silkov wrote:

bennie wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote: But don't forget, in an early blue print for the way FW brought Hatton along, Micky Duff picked two aging fighters from a division below for Lloyd's first two defences: Bumphus and Hatcher were both LWelters really.

And Bumphus was absolutely shot to pieces: his legs looked stiff on the way to the ring. I'll never forget the stare down Honey inflicted on a terrified looking Bumphus before the first bell - Johnny seemed to shrink in size as Honey moved his head closer and closer....no wonder Tyson was a fan of Honeyghan.

And Hatcher was caught by one of the wildest punches you'll ever see - Lloyd was swinging from the hip and almost took Hatcher's head clean off.
The rubbish ref let Honey tee off on an unconcious Hatcher, propped on the ropes, and thankfully Lloyd decided to stop punching himself and walked away.

I was disappointed in Honeyghan as champ. He developed into a brawler. Most of his title defences, especially against Blocker, were awful to watch. It didn't help that his relationship with Mickey Duff had broken down (shades of McGuigan-Eastwood), prompting Duff to say, memorably: "there is nothing in our contract that says we have to like each other."
Honeyghan peaked the night he beat Curry, in my opinion. His all-round game seemed to leave him as champ.

That must have had a lot to do with his hand problems... he started trying to get fights over with early...

KO Artist wrote:

silkov wrote:

bennie wrote: I was disappointed in Honeyghan as champ. He developed into a brawler. Most of his title defences, especially against Blocker, were awful to watch. It didn't help that his relationship with Mickey Duff had broken down (shades of McGuigan-Eastwood), prompting Duff to say, memorably: "there is nothing in our contract that says we have to like each other."
Honeyghan peaked the night he beat Curry, in my opinion. His all-round game seemed to leave him as champ.

That must have had a lot to do with his hand problems... he started trying to get fights over with early...

I cant beleive you feel Hatton would beat a prime Honeyghan.

Lloyd acheived far more than Hatton has to date, was a better boxer, better puncher, faster as well.

You are underrating Honeyghan big time.

As for Hatton, very good fighter, but dont be at all surprised if Collazo beats him, particularly with the shambles going on around him.

Ezzard wrote:I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

Ezzard wrote:I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

silkov wrote:

Ezzard wrote:I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

I think the reason Honeyghan fought the way he did against Starling was because of his bad hands and he was trying to get Marlon out of there like he did Vaca.... Maybe Lloyd saw the Molinares fight and believed he could ko Starling... it was a bad mistake...

KO Artist wrote:

Ezzard wrote:I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

Curry, in his very brief prime, was one of the best boxers I have EVER seen.

Awesome.

Ezzard wrote:I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ezzard wrote:I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

Curry had a very poor defence, relied on his reflexes was too much. That's why once he began to decline slightly, he started getting battered. A little overrated in my opinion, but a devastating puncher with great speed. He was that era's Zab Judah in my opinion.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ezzard wrote:I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

Far better than Judah mate, no comparison IMO.

In his prime Curry had a great defence, high guard, chin down great reflexes, you can ask for more than that.

His defence deteriorated as he abused his body with drink and drugs and had to rely on weight loss in training, rather than woking on technique.

To this day he is the best fighter I have ever seen perform in the flesh.

Curry had a very poor defence, relied on his reflexes was too much. That's why once he began to decline slightly, he started getting battered. A little overrated in my opinion, but a devastating puncher with great speed. He was that era's Zab Judah in my opinion.