John Duddy

[slapbangwhallop]

BTW when Shamboo wrote '
You obviously have no idea regarding the sensitivity of this topic Ireland it means alot more then simply nationality."
He couldn't have been more obviously right.

Spot on .

list your questions that you want answered and let John Shep answer them clearly and categorically and if the answers you recieve stand up, are reasoned and legitimate then lets put this one to bed.

[Druid]

And how long should we wait for that?

[brett]

This (nationality) field sure generates some hot topics. Maybe we should ask ourselves, why is the field even needed. Perhaps we should just do away with it. We already have a hometown and birthplace field. Other than creating a ratings list by nationality , what else is it used for? Could those lists not be made off either the hometown or birthplace fields or are those lists even that important? Just wondering.

Regards,

[Matt]

The nationality field does help sort out the wide variety of duplicate names that come up in English speaking countries. You can have a Willie Smith in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, United States, Ireland, etc.

I think we just need to be consistent on the nationality field. It should be the country they learned to box in, or country of origin if that is not known. I thought putting Tsyzu as an Australian was the wrong move. But the Australians kept complaining, so we bent, unfortunately.

[BigEars]

Gomez was actually born on the side of a road in Longford but is incorrectly listed as being born in Dublin .

[Dara]

That doesn't mean much, because I could go in there and change it myself and make him Russian.

You could, but it probably wouldn't last very long. For all the criticisms directed at Wikipedia as far as non-verification and lack of authority go, it works out in practise because there's nearly always someone to correct another's mistake, and when disputes breaks out, the discussions generally lead to consensus or at least overwhelming majority views. That's why, as I said, it's regarded as the Internet's finest reference site.

That seems preferable to me to the apparent situation here where undemocratic editors can make decisions based on their own (mis)understanding of the legal situation or definition of words, or perhaps even, as has been suggested in this case, by political bias. Surprising as it may seem, democracy has a history of working out better in practise than even the most enlightened dictatorship.

I still don't understand what the nationality field is for. If you're going to stubbornly stick to the principle that it's just the state that someone was born in, what does it bring to the party that the birthplace field doesn't already?

Slan libh,

Dara

[AndreWardFan2006]

So the "Rob Calloway" thread in the current scene is soon to be the largest thread there, is this thread the largest here? Seems like it.


~A.W.F~

[Druid]

So the "Rob Calloway" thread in the current scene is soon to be the largest thread there, is this thread the largest here? Seems like it.


~A.W.F~

Definitely the most ignored by the people that could clear up this error. Shame!

[Dara]

The WBC had Mc Cullough down as Irish yet he chose British, so there going off the land there born in two and must not see N Ireland is Uk..

McCullough fought for Ireland as an amateur (and won an Olympic medal). He also received Irish Government funding. I didn't realise he'd subsequently declared himself British: when was this?

[BigEars]

The WBC had Mc Cullough down as Irish yet he chose British, so there going off the land there born in two and must not see N Ireland is Uk..

McCullough fought for Ireland as an amateur (and won an Olympic medal). He also received Irish Government funding. I didn't realise he'd subsequently declared himself British: when was this?

Not subsequently he was always British , his family is from the shankhill road . I don't think nationality means much to Wayne , of course he's proud of being from Northern Ireland but he wasn't threated the best there when defending his title(usually got bigger crowds and receptions in the Republic) . He sees himself as being from Las Vegas now and as an American .

[Max Molyneux]

The WBC had Mc Cullough down as Irish yet he chose British, so there going off the land there born in two and must not see N Ireland is Uk..

McCullough fought for Ireland as an amateur (and won an Olympic medal). He also received Irish Government funding. I didn't realise he'd subsequently declared himself British: when was this?

Don't all Irish box for Ireland as amatuers anyway?

[shamboo]

Yes thats true Max north and south they are funded by the Irish authorities throughout their amateur career's

[shamboo]

BTW i would have no problem with McCullough seeing himself as British as this is his right but its when the other side of the fence are denyed their constitutional right to choose this is when things begin to get

[Dara]

Yes thats true Max north and south they are funded by the Irish authorities throughout their amateur career's

So just to get this straight: boxers from Northern Ireland, who legally have dual Irish and British nationality, only fight for Ireland as amateurs? Yet this site insists that a Northern Irish boxer can't be Irish, only British?

Anyone see the obvious contradiction here?

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

You must understand that NO boxer fights as British as an amateur as there is NO "British Amateur Boxing Association". Amateur boxers from British Isles are either under Irish, Welsh, Scottish or English association.

However, Northern Irish fighters DO participate in Commonwealth Games as Northern Irish members of British Commonwealth. Fighters from Republic can obviously not participate in Commonwealth Games.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

druid and shampoo who the hell are these turkeys? they need to calm the fornicate down. maybe if they asked in a nice respectful way, they would get an answer from john sheppard.

[BigEars]

druid and shampoo who the hell are these turkeys? they need to calm the smeg down. maybe if they asked in a nice respectful way, they would get an answer from john sheppard.

I don't remember Druid being disrespectful and as for Shamboo he has only been disrespectful if his allegation(a very serious one I might add) is untrue .

[alarmakool]

They have gotten an answer from John. Twice if I'm not mistaken. Both times it was not the answer they wanted and they won't accept it.

[Dara]

They have gotten an answer from John. Twice if I'm not mistaken. Both times it was not the answer they wanted and they won't accept it.

Since the answer contravenes both British and International law, is self contradictory and in fact makes no sense on any level, that's hardly surprising. People often have difficulty accepting arbitrary illogical decisions that contravene the law.

And they say it's the Irish who are illogical

[Max Molyneux]

Well it made sense in the fact that he was born in Northern Ireland.

[Dara]

Well it made sense in the fact that he was born in Northern Ireland.

Since we've established all Northern Irish boxers box for Ireland, not Britain, you can mount a reasonably strong case to say they should all be considered Irish (under the "Country they learned to box in" rule), but you can't really mount any case to say they're all British. Not without a fair degree of stupidity anyway, willful or otherwise.

[Max Molyneux]

Northern Ireland is part of the UK though so that makes them a brit even with their passports.

Unless any Irish posters are paying for this site to be run, then I think no one has the right to make John change it too.

[Dara]

UK ... brit

Britain = An island comprising the nations of Scotland, England and Wales.

UK = The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.

I suggest the term Brit makes little sense when describing somebody's nationality. The only people you ever hear using it are either English, or Irish (as a pejorative term for English people). I've never heard a Welsh person or a Scot describe themselves as a Brit.

If such a nationality exists, how come you don't see a British team at the soccer World Cup, the rugby World Cup, the cricket World Cup, or any other World Cup you care to mention? English is a nationality. So is Scot and Welsh, but Brit is as meaningless in this context as "Citizen of the EU".

[Dara]

The whole UK are classed as British.

Yeah. And the whole EU is classed as European, so when are we changing all the Europe born boxers to European?

Like I said, unless any of you contribute to paying to keep Boxrec running , what right do you have to keep pestering him?.

If your argument is that only people contributing directly to the financial upkeep of this second rate site run by a parochial backward bigot have the right to post their opinion on anything relating to it, then I presume that was your last post on this thread. Unless, like, you're a hypocrite or something.

[Max Molyneux]

The whole UK are classed as British.

Yeah. And the whole EU is classed as European, so when are we changing all the Europe born boxers to European?

Like I said, unless any of you contribute to paying to keep Boxrec running , what right do you have to keep pestering him?.

If your argument is that only people contributing directly to the financial upkeep of this second rate site run by a parochial backward bigot have the right to post their opinion on anything relating to it, then I presume that was your last post on this thread. Unless, like, you're a hypocrite or something.

We are European though, the UK and Ireland is in the continent.

I'm not saying you don't have the right to an opinion, it's just obvious that it's not going to be changed just because you want it to and he has the right to keep it the way he wants.

That was a suggestion to if you want it changed.