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mimmy123



Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 30
Location: N-Yorkshire (Donny born)
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject:

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cosand wrote:
I explained the contradiction in the old threads before, I beleive in a conversation with Matty. I have also explianed that to those who PMed me over the past months who put two and two together and asked who I was, or if I am who I am. . Like I said originally, I went to great lenghts to maintain anyonimity in the open threads, even in throwing out some smoke and mirriors to do so if someone had a hunch. My business life and the heated and sometimes over the top conversation on here don't mesh. I only "came out of the closet" the other day because it added something to the conversation. I am always amused when I hear the "What if" applied to Canalito. What if is a streach. I also thought that it would be taken in the passing, "I said it once and let it go" way in which I presented it. My bad. This is after all, the internet, the home of the undermotivited wannabe who scan archived threads and think they broke the lateral universe theory.
It makes no difference, think what you like. I stayed anoymous until the other day because I never wanted to be the topic of the threads, and it looks like I was correct when I maintained that stance.


Why would you want to remain annonym' after all this time,ts not as if you were a top ranked fighter who blew his chance because of drink and drugs. You played your part in the pro ranks but never made the trop rankings. I'm not sure why you would want to remain behind closed doors. All athletes whether great or not bad should stand up to be counted, at the end of the day we need guys like you who are not world beaters but can test the up and comers. Its not a crime to be medrocre.

by the way, you never answered my question surrounding your fight with John l gardner

It's not that I am in any way ashemed of anyhing in my career. As a matter of fact, it was a period of my life I am proud of. It's just that I see on this and other sites what happens when guys present themselves with their signiture and idnetity. Things degenerate into attacks on them, their families, etc. Have you seen the abuse Stacy Goodson and Chauncy Williver get in current scene. No matter what the topic, it becomes about them, so i just presented myself as some ex fighter with some opinions. I should have kept it that way. When you see me in thses forums, I am working, running a program for business, and killing time muti-tasking in here. It's just a fun distration, wanted to keep it that way.

I will be happy to answer your question though.
The gardner was actually not a good fight for me to take at that point. I had not even gotten all the cobwebs out of my head from the Burbick fight. I am not taking anything away from Gardner though, he was a tough fighter. I needed every inch of that ring to move away, but he still cut me off and tagged me more often then I care to think about. I have no idea what happend to him in the 1st round of the Arrington fight. For my money Gardner was the better fighter. He had a great win over Sykes, and at that point, should have beaten Jimmy Young. That would have been his ticket to bigger things. At the time he met Dokes, Dokes was on a roll and had a point to make after a lackluster performance. Wrong place at the wrong time, and too much firepower to overcome.

Finally, back to your original question on Canalito. In was a little harsh in my earlier post , and I shouldnt have used the word "fix'. I have zero evidence of that. But if you ever have the chance to ask anyone who saw the fight, 9 out of 10 people who saw it will tell you I easily won 3 of the 4 rounds. Lee was a fringe celebrity in those days, a former college football player, complete with endorsements, but boxing was his media outlet. Who the hell was I ? A legacy fighter from the sticks with no KO punch and zero name recognition. I had already upset the apple cart by putting on a clinic for Molyneaux, when i was put in as an easy debut win for him. lignting was not going to be allowed to strike twice I guess.

cosand wrote:

mimmy123



Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 30
Location: N-Yorkshire (Donny born)
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject:

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cosand wrote:
I explained the contradiction in the old threads before, I beleive in a conversation with Matty. I have also explianed that to those who PMed me over the past months who put two and two together and asked who I was, or if I am who I am. . Like I said originally, I went to great lenghts to maintain anyonimity in the open threads, even in throwing out some smoke and mirriors to do so if someone had a hunch. My business life and the heated and sometimes over the top conversation on here don't mesh. I only "came out of the closet" the other day because it added something to the conversation. I am always amused when I hear the "What if" applied to Canalito. What if is a streach. I also thought that it would be taken in the passing, "I said it once and let it go" way in which I presented it. My bad. This is after all, the internet, the home of the undermotivited wannabe who scan archived threads and think they broke the lateral universe theory.
It makes no difference, think what you like. I stayed anoymous until the other day because I never wanted to be the topic of the threads, and it looks like I was correct when I maintained that stance.


Why would you want to remain annonym' after all this time,ts not as if you were a top ranked fighter who blew his chance because of drink and drugs. You played your part in the pro ranks but never made the trop rankings. I'm not sure why you would want to remain behind closed doors. All athletes whether great or not bad should stand up to be counted, at the end of the day we need guys like you who are not world beaters but can test the up and comers. Its not a crime to be medrocre.

by the way, you never answered my question surrounding your fight with John l gardner

It's not that I am in any way ashemed of anyhing in my career. As a matter of fact, it was a period of my life I am proud of. It's just that I see on this and other sites what happens when guys present themselves with their signiture and idnetity. Things degenerate into attacks on them, their families, etc. Have you seen the abuse Stacy Goodson and Chauncy Williver get in current scene. No matter what the topic, it becomes about them, so i just presented myself as some ex fighter with some opinions. I should have kept it that way. When you see me in thses forums, I am working, running a program for business, and killing time muti-tasking in here. It's just a fun distration, wanted to keep it that way.

I will be happy to answer your question though.
The gardner was actually not a good fight for me to take at that point. I had not even gotten all the cobwebs out of my head from the Burbick fight. I am not taking anything away from Gardner though, he was a tough fighter. I needed every inch of that ring to move away, but he still cut me off and tagged me more often then I care to think about. I have no idea what happend to him in the 1st round of the Arrington fight. For my money Gardner was the better fighter. He had a great win over Sykes, and at that point, should have beaten Jimmy Young. That would have been his ticket to bigger things. At the time he met Dokes, Dokes was on a roll and had a point to make after a lackluster performance. Wrong place at the wrong time, and too much firepower to overcome.

Finally, back to your original question on Canalito. In was a little harsh in my earlier post , and I shouldnt have used the word "fix'. I have zero evidence of that. But if you ever have the chance to ask anyone who saw the fight, 9 out of 10 people who saw it will tell you I easily won 3 of the 4 rounds. Lee was a fringe celebrity in those days, a former college football player, complete with endorsements, but boxing was his media outlet. Who the hell was I ? A legacy fighter from the sticks with no KO punch and zero name recognition. I had already upset the apple cart by putting on a clinic for Molyneaux, when i was put in as an easy debut win for him. lignting was not going to be allowed to strike twice I guess.

First of all let me say I do believe you are Sorrentino. Now you are opening up more, your stories sound plausible to me.

One thing I take issue with is that you suggest Stacy gets a lot of heat solely because of his boxing record. Come on, man. Stacy attracts heat because of the way he butts heads with most people on the current scene not because he was a so so fighter. Anyway, he likes argueing with the most of the clowns there; he wouldn't be on there every day if he didn't.

Welliver, I don't follow his posts but I'd be surprised of any boxer who gets shit-canned based solely on their career. Apart from Charlie Zelenoff. Oh, hang on he's still 0-0-0 (0) isn't he?

Last thing, what was the name of that heavyweight around your time in the mid to late 70's who was a bit of a celeb in The Ring. He'd done some time in chokey and was quite old when he went pro or his career was interupted or something. He ended up having to quit after he got a few fingers blown off.

I always thought is was Rudolf Valentino.

expug wrote:

cosand wrote:Didnt take it bad at all. and thanks.
Every so often someone will PM me and ask, or they already knew who i was , and I have been amazed that people know dates, details, out of the ring stories about me, Backus, Divoronica, Fratto, and the rest of the old Syracuse crew. Billy and Rock i could understand, but i have found people in places that I never would have thought even knew my name, much less used to follow me.
Feels good for an old pug like me
Thanks again.

Excuse my scepticism.
But your own words in previous posts contradict your recent claims.
And why would a guy who fought on the Ali - Norton undercard be interested in anonymity?
http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=596152

check mate !

Collins...

That rings a bell, but I don't recall who that was or thye exact details.
Something is ringing in my ear about a guy from, I want to say San Francisco...Oakland (???)
This is the kind of thing that will come to me at 2AM one of thses days, after I forgot I was even trying to remember.

cosand wrote:

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Last thing, what was the name of that heavyweight around your time in the mid to late 70's who was a bit of a celeb in The Ring. He'd done some time in chokey and was quite old when he went pro or his career was interupted or something. He ended up having to quit after he got a few fingers blown off.

Collins...

That rings a bell, but I don't recall who that was or thye exact details.
Something is ringing in my ear about a guy from, I want to say San Francisco...Oakland (???)
This is the kind of thing that will come to me at 2AM one of thses days, after I forgot I was even trying to remember.

Just dug him out of the database. I recalled his name was something like Halpin and finally got him.

Bobby Halpern

Turned pro in 1958 then got banged up for a long stretch and came back in the mid 70's but ended up getting some fingers shot off and gave it up. There were a few articles on him in The Ring at the time - maybe someone can recall them.

I wonder if he's still raising hell somewhere.

Bobby Halpern died- around 10 yrs ago

I never even knew there was a boxer who went by the ringname of "The Italin Stalliion"...HMMMMM.....

Crease wrote:I never even knew there was a boxer who went by the ringname of "The Italin Stalliion"...HMMMMM.....

im not sure there was a Italin Stalliion

Lee Canalito has a web site.

http://leecanalito.com

Brutu wrote:Lee Canalito has a web site.

http://leecanalito.com

I'm curious, why did you resurrect a 3 year old thread to advertise his website that someone else already posted in 2007?

Anyone remember which fight of Canalito's aired on national television?
He fought on the same card as Leon Spinks in St.Louis back in May 1977.
Canalito won a four rounder against Greg Sorrentino and Leon Spinks knocked out
Pedro Agosto in the first round.
were those fights aired?

Controversial wrote:

Brutu wrote:Lee Canalito has a web site.

http://leecanalito.com

I'm curious, why did you resurrect a 3 year old thread to advertise his website that someone else already posted in 2007?

Its all part of a theme of the"hulksters" of boxing that i have been reading up on now recently.

Lee Canalito vrs Lou Savarese for the Italian-American Heavyweight crown.Who wins?

Since I was unable to find any footage of Lee Canalito boxing,instead I came across a scene from the movie
PARADISE ALLEY(1978).
Canalito isnt doing any boxing in it, but you can see him get "The Eye of the Tiger " while arm wrestling Terry Funk.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKsSYW42F6c

At least one televised fight of Lee Canalito.
It was on a CBS Sports show March.20.1977.
It also had Olympic Gold medal winners Howard Davis Jr. and Leon Spinks fighting
in scheduled 6 round fights on it too.
At the Exposition Center,Louisville Kentucky.

Lee Canalito vrs Bill Jackson (KO1)
Leon Spinks vrs Jerry McIntyre(KO1)
Howard Davis jr. vrs Rick Crany(KO3)

ring commentary by Jerry Quarry and Ray Leonard.
boxrec lists Canalito as weighing 259 lbs for that fight(Jackson 220 lbs).
It was Canalito's second professional fight.

McIntyre was only Leon Spinks 3rd pro fight,4 fights later he fought and won the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world.

Also on a web page someone has on dvd the,

Lee Canalito vrs Dave Ramsey fight(TKO1)
November.22.1986.
Hilton hotel,Las Vegas Nevada.

That was Canalito's next to last fight before he retired.
he weighed 244 lbs for that one.
It was not mentioned on web page if it was on television.

Since there are no fights of Lee Canalito's on youtube.
I think the closest that you may see of his boxing ability is his appearance as a boxer in an episode of MAGNUM P.I
in the episode
"Faith and Begorra"
from season 3 ,episode 22(originally aired April.28. 1983).
He was two sequences several minutes each in it,were he shadow boxes,hits the heavy bag,then the speed bag(17:20-20:39).
He is also is in the ring sparring(obviously choreographed with exaggerated punches) 32:20-35:12


You can download the entire episode over at http://www.netflix.com
Magnum P.I ,season 3,disc #6

Brutu wrote:Also on a web page someone has on dvd the,

Lee Canalito vrs Dave Ramsey fight(TKO1)
November.22.1986.
Hilton hotel,Las Vegas Nevada.

That was Canalito's next to last fight before he retired.
he weighed 244 lbs for that one.
It was not mentioned on web page if it was on television.

Canalito vrs Ramsey was on the same card as Mike Tyson vrs Trevor Berbick.
So I guess it aired on HBO.

Lee Canalito vrs Mike Rodgers(KO2)
was on the same card as
Earnie Shavers vrs Howard Smith,
Aladdin Hotel Las Vegas
which aired live on the CBS Sports Spectacular in April 1977.
(Canalito vrs Mike Rodgers is listed in the TV guide a week before as Canalito vrs opponent to be announced)

Lee Canalito vrs Dennis Jordan(TKO4) was on the same card as
Gerry Cooney vrs Dino Denis
from Madison Square Garden on November.9.1979.
The Cooney vrs Denis fight aired live on WOR-TV Channel 9 in NYC(and seen in other cities)
but I can find no mention if Canalito vrs Jordan was aired.

After Canalito fought Dennis Jordan,
Canalito was scheduled to fight
37 year old ,6 foot 9.5 inch tall, Jim J. Beattie
March.31.1979 in Chicago,
but Canalito pulled out a week before,and Beattie fought Greg Sorrentino instead.
(Beattie Lost a 10 round decision).

Lee Canalito was scheduled to fight Scott Frank
May.1.1983 in Atlantic City,NJ.
(this fight was to have been broadcast Nationally on NBC's SPORTWORLD,according to the newspapers of May.1.1983.
It must have been canceled just a few days before.

Do remember much of the Vic Brown fight?

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Do remember much of the Vic Brown fight?

That was in 1982 when Sylvester Stallone became Canalito's promter and Ritchie Giaghetti became Canalito's trainer
(Canalito split with Angelo Dundee in 1981,as he had zero fights in 1980-1981,probably due to knee injury and Hollywood.
This was when they use to show high lights on the local sports of Canalito's fights.
I didnt see the fight but I suspect Canalito knocked out Vic Brown with a right uppercut,which was one of his better punches.