The original Italian Stallion

Mimmy · Post by **Mimmy** » 26 Feb 2007, 17:53

i wander why this guy never progressed, he retired unbeaten

Lee Canalito

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=27620

he appeared in a stallone movie back in the 80's as a wrestler but he has a great record.

can anyone put anymore info here please.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 26 Feb 2007, 19:52

It could have been a problem of money. I notice how often he'd fight guys who had alot of losses or weren't really established themselves, and from all the talks I've had with guys like Brian Paul that it's really expensive to 'buy' fights for your fighters sometimes so that you can build them up slowly and make them better.

The best guy in his record, my opinion, was Steve Zouski, who was in his overall best years; Charlie Polite on the other hand was beyond his best when this guy fought him.

Btw, he cant be the 'original' Italian Stallion seeing that he started out in 1977 and Stallone wrote ROCKY after seeing the Ali-Wepner fight of 1975 and it was released in 1976 and won Academy Awards, this dude copied the name.

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 27 Feb 2007, 10:17

mimmy123 wrote:i wander why this guy never progressed, he retired unbeaten

Lee Canalito

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=27620

he appeared in a stallone movie back in the 80's as a wrestler but he has a great record.

can anyone put anymore info here please.

Not sure why he retired but he is now a personal trainer. He was ranked in the top 10 and undefeated so I'm gussing there was some sort of injury to just retire like that?

http://www.leecanalito.com/homepage.html

cosand · Post by **cosand** » 27 Feb 2007, 22:47

My desire to keep my anonymity on this sight is well known, but if this blows it...so be it.
I beat Lee's ass from the opening bell to the end of the fight. he landed nothing and I couldn't miss. The right side of his face looked like raw liver.
After the final bell, the promoter and a couple of reporters hugged me and congratulated me. Canalito was in his corner, smirking, with his handlers patting him on the back. It would take about two minutes for me to find out why.
When they announced the decision, I had my hands in the air, and there were 10 people in my corner clapping, and they announced that Canailito had won by unanimous decision.
After that, he fought some cardboard cutouts. A couple years later he took 3 years off, then came back and fought a collection of walking corpses
Why did he retire ?
Sure wasn’t because he faced too many tough opponents, or the inability to get the fix in when he actually did face one.
Bitter..me ?,,,Nahhhh !!

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 27 Feb 2007, 23:40

whoa! sounds like a grudge match in the making...should arrange an exhibition bout between the likes of you two and settle the score once and for all!

By looks of 'Italian Stallion' record there are only two guys who went the distance with him: James Dixon and Greg Sorrentino...the plot thickens! Who are you Cosand? lol

Btw...dont know why you think it would be of any negative throw back at you if we did find out who you are, we always have the upmost respect for any guy who can step into a boxing ring, whether or not he was successful or not.

Edite Note: If I recall I think you once said how you wished when you were boxing that there was a Cruiserweight division. If you're the same guy who said that, would lead me to believe you're Greg Sorrentino who wasn't a big HW at all and fought anywhere from a high 170 pounds to 190's or maybe tad bit more. But then again James Dixon is also listed as a Cruiserweight, but he fought up to 200+ pounds.

cosand · Post by **cosand** » 27 Feb 2007, 23:52

RufusMurphy Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:40 am Post subject:

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whoa! sounds like a grudge match in the making...should arrange an exhibition bout between the likes of you two and settle the score once and for all!

By looks of 'Italian Stallion' record there are only two guys who went the distance with him: James Dixon and Greg Sorrentino...the plot thickens! Who are you Cosand? lol

Btw...dont know why you think it would be of any negative throw back at you if we did find out who you are, we always have the upmost respect for any guy who can step into a boxing ring, whether or not he was successful or not.

Edite Note: If I recall I think you once said how you wished when you were boxing that there was a Cruiserweight division. If you're the same guy who said that, would lead me to believe you're Greg Sorrentino who wasn't a big HW at all and fought anywhere from a high 170 pounds to 190's or maybe tad bit more. But then again James Dixon is also listed as a Cruiserweight, but he fought up to 200+ pounds.

One time and one time only...and then hopefully this thread will fade into mediocre obscurity...just like me

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=360

No comeback return grudge match though.....I am a lover, not a fighter these days. that is, on the rare occasion that is physicly possible

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 28 Feb 2007, 00:04

Dude! Dont take what I said as being bad. I dont think you're mediocre at all. Hell you fought Berbick, Gardner, Dokes, Zouski and beaten an AAU champion! You rawk!

cosand · Post by **cosand** » 28 Feb 2007, 00:20

Didnt take it bad at all. and thanks.
Every so often someone will PM me and ask, or they already knew who i was , and I have been amazed that people know dates, details, out of the ring stories about me, Backus, Divoronica, Fratto, and the rest of the old Syracuse crew. Billy and Rock i could understand, but i have found people in places that I never would have thought even knew my name, much less used to follow me.
Feels good for an old pug like me
Thanks again.

enrique · Post by **enrique** » 28 Feb 2007, 19:12

I saw you fight in person a lot as I was doing some matchmaking for Ramiro Ortiz and Hank Kaplan at the War memorial and you always put up a professional performance..... You were a solid performer.... I also rmember seeing you, just a few fights out of the amateur novice put up a gutsy performance against a Soviet, i think it was....my hat off to you....

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 28 Feb 2007, 20:20

Greg -- I was in the Bronx and saw you fight on the undercard of Ai-Norton -- I am pretty sure I saw some of your am fights as well.

I recall asking Hank about you and he spoke highly.

Mimmy · Post by **Mimmy** » 01 Mar 2007, 08:15

Hey, i started a thread that has an old pro in the mix, but, the funny thing is that i also started a thread surrounding an old Brit ccalled paul Sykes. There is a little connection here......John louis gardner.

Can i ask was John L any good....... he beat Sykes

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 01 Mar 2007, 10:27

cosand wrote:Didnt take it bad at all. and thanks.
Every so often someone will PM me and ask, or they already knew who i was , and I have been amazed that people know dates, details, out of the ring stories about me, Backus, Divoronica, Fratto, and the rest of the old Syracuse crew. Billy and Rock i could understand, but i have found people in places that I never would have thought even knew my name, much less used to follow me.
Feels good for an old pug like me
Thanks again.

Excuse my scepticism.
But your own words in previous posts contradict your recent claims.
And why would a guy who fought on the Ali - Norton undercard be interested in anonymity?
http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=596152

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 01 Mar 2007, 10:39

expug wrote:
cosand wrote:Didnt take it bad at all. and thanks.
Every so often someone will PM me and ask, or they already knew who i was , and I have been amazed that people know dates, details, out of the ring stories about me, Backus, Divoronica, Fratto, and the rest of the old Syracuse crew. Billy and Rock i could understand, but i have found people in places that I never would have thought even knew my name, much less used to follow me.
Feels good for an old pug like me
Thanks again.
Excuse my scepticism.
But your own words in previous posts contradict your recent claims.
And why would a guy who fought on the Ali - Norton undercard be interested in anonymity?
http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=596152

Great catch expug. There certainly is a dispcrepancy between the posts.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 01 Mar 2007, 17:37

Way to go expug.
By the way, did I ever mention that I'm the spirit of Jack Johnson? I have to admit that today's top heavyweights are much better than I was in my prime. I wouldn't have had a chance against Wladimir Klitshcko.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 02 Mar 2007, 09:08

And I am the real John L Sullivan. I faked my death in 1918 so that I could live a quiet, peaceful life in the country and prove my scientific theory that life can be prolonged indefinitely by completely immersing ones internal organs in whiskey.

nytony · Post by **nytony** » 02 Mar 2007, 14:06

cosand wrote:My desire to keep my anonymity on this sight is well known, but if this blows it...so be it.

Don't worry- we still don't know who you you are !!!

Mimmy · Post by **Mimmy** » 02 Mar 2007, 15:18

Here is a reply to an email i sent to Lee Canalito just yesterday, the email was replied by Lisa Mccafferty

i asked why Lee retired unbeaten when he was ranked in the top 10

As you may know, Lee also did some movies, beginning in Stallone's (his manager at the time) Paradise Alley. Did several roles with major studios. A combination of balancing those two things, and poor negotiating on his management's part over several years. Probably a very typical story in the boxing world (the poor management, that is - not the movie career)
Canalito Boxing

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 02 Mar 2007, 15:27

nytony wrote:
cosand wrote:My desire to keep my anonymity on this sight is well known, but if this blows it...so be it.

Don't worry- we still don't know who you you are !!!

I hope this embarrassing little moment doesn’t scare cosand off. While much of what he posted seemed to be written to do nothing more than enflame, some of it was pretty funny stuff!!

Mimmy · Post by **Mimmy** » 02 Mar 2007, 15:47

sorry for being ignorant, but have we decided who the guy really is? is he a pro or not.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 02 Mar 2007, 21:38

mimmy 123 - cosand said that he was Greg Sorrentino. Sorrentino's record was 19-9-1.
In the old thread that expug found, cosand said that his record was 1-1-1.
cosand made the whole thing up; he isn't an ex-boxer.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 03 Mar 2007, 02:21

Ambling Alp wrote:mimmy 123 - cosand said that he was Greg Sorrentino. Sorrentino's record was 19-9-1.
In the old thread that expug found, cosand said that his record was 1-1-1.
cosand made the whole thing up; he isn't an ex-boxer.

Maybe he can claim to be the son / grandson of one instead. There's a potential troika on offer if he plays his cards right...

Mimmy · Post by **Mimmy** » 03 Mar 2007, 04:01

its a shame we have gone off the original thread. Has anyone read the email i copyed and pasted regarding Canalito's career.

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 03 Mar 2007, 07:32

mimmy123 wrote:Here is a reply to an email i sent to Lee Canalito just yesterday, the email was replied by Lisa Mccafferty

i asked why Lee retired unbeaten when he was ranked in the top 10

As you may know, Lee also did some movies, beginning in Stallone's (his manager at the time) Paradise Alley. Did several roles with major studios. A combination of balancing those two things, and poor negotiating on his management's part over several years. Probably a very typical story in the boxing world (the poor management, that is - not the movie career)
Canalito Boxing

Maybe the reason who knows? He had a over inflated record against not very good fighters. Did you notice that only two of his opponents had won their previous fight before fighting him !!!

He was obviously more interested in the big screen than fighting and when he moved up the ratings realised he would be found out, so he retired.

cosand · Post by **cosand** » 03 Mar 2007, 12:07

I explained the contradiction in the old threads before, I beleive in a conversation with Matty. I have also explianed that to those who PMed me over the past months who put two and two together and asked who I was, or if I am who I am. . Like I said originally, I went to great lenghts to maintain anyonimity in the open threads, even in throwing out some smoke and mirriors to do so if someone had a hunch. My business life and the heated and sometimes over the top conversation on here don't mesh. I only "came out of the closet" the other day because it added something to the conversation. I am always amused when I hear the "What if" applied to Canalito. What if is a streach. I also thought that it would be taken in the passing, "I said it once and let it go" way in which I presented it. My bad. This is after all, the internet, the home of the undermotivited wannabe who scan archived threads and think they broke the lateral universe theory.
It makes no difference, think what you like. I stayed anoymous until the other day because I never wanted to be the topic of the threads, and it looks like I was correct when I maintained that stance.

Mimmy · Post by **Mimmy** » 03 Mar 2007, 14:30

cosand wrote:I explained the contradiction in the old threads before, I beleive in a conversation with Matty. I have also explianed that to those who PMed me over the past months who put two and two together and asked who I was, or if I am who I am. . Like I said originally, I went to great lenghts to maintain anyonimity in the open threads, even in throwing out some smoke and mirriors to do so if someone had a hunch. My business life and the heated and sometimes over the top conversation on here don't mesh. I only "came out of the closet" the other day because it added something to the conversation. I am always amused when I hear the "What if" applied to Canalito. What if is a streach. I also thought that it would be taken in the passing, "I said it once and let it go" way in which I presented it. My bad. This is after all, the internet, the home of the undermotivited wannabe who scan archived threads and think they broke the lateral universe theory.
It makes no difference, think what you like. I stayed anoymous until the other day because I never wanted to be the topic of the threads, and it looks like I was correct when I maintained that stance.

Why would you want to remain annonym' after all this time,ts not as if you were a top ranked fighter who blew his chance because of drink and drugs. You played your part in the pro ranks but never made the trop rankings. I'm not sure why you would want to remain behind closed doors. All athletes whether great or not bad should stand up to be counted, at the end of the day we need guys like you who are not world beaters but can test the up and comers. Its not a crime to be medrocre.

by the way, you never answered my question surrounding your fight with John l gardner

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