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Look at Eubanks biography and the picture of him on a prison visit to Tyson... Tyson looks about 180-190 max...... His body type changed a lot when he fought Peter McNeeley also.... Something happened ....

Agree with PN on the possible suspects although never really thought about pacman before.....

Some of your "facts" could be coincidental though PE, My mate has done a bit of part time modeling, he's had to quit cause he is now really bald - Aged 27 and no steriods.

Joe Calzaghe is another who is receeding in his early 30's, so to was Chris Eubank... all junkies.

Thin skin? I'm not sure Holyfield's skin is particularly thin for a 40 year old man. Tommy Morrison, Andrew Golota have thin skin - but not sure Holyfield's is.

Plus - all this about the weight gain, muscle gain etc... could have been done via training mechnasism. Unlike someone like RJJ, Holyfield wasn't that active prior to the Tyson fight so it could have been a gradual thing.

I think your 1st point is the most valid one.

As for Tyson, I personally think he was definately jucing definately post 1995 and there were rumours of it while a youngster with Cus. However, like Tommy Morrison's recent comeback, for Tyson to be that cut and looking that good but with that little stamina - meant he cut corners somewhere.

However, he had three years to get onto a weight programme that could have done that - again not that he didn't have time.

For me the rather dramatic weight gain, weight loss of the likes of RJJ, Mosley and hell even Danny Williams is a bit more suspucious than Holyfield who put it on over a long period following a strigent weight based camp.

Some of your "facts" could be coincidental though PE, My mate has done a bit of part time modeling, he's had to quit cause he is now really bald - Aged 27 and no steriods.

Joe Calzaghe is another who is receeding in his early 30's, so to was Chris Eubank... all junkies.

Thin skin? I'm not sure Holyfield's skin is particularly thin for a 40 year old man. Tommy Morrison, Andrew Golota have thin skin - but not sure Holyfield's is.

Plus - all this about the weight gain, muscle gain etc... could have been done via training mechnasism. Unlike someone like RJJ, Holyfield wasn't that active prior to the Tyson fight so it could have been a gradual thing.

I think your 1st point is the most valid one.

As for Tyson, I personally think he was definately jucing definately post 1995 and there were rumours of it while a youngster with Cus. However, like Tommy Morrison's recent comeback, for Tyson to be that cut and looking that good but with that little stamina - meant he cut corners somewhere.

However, he had three years to get onto a weight programme that could have done that - again not that he didn't have time.

For me the rather dramatic weight gain, weight loss of the likes of RJJ, Mosley and hell even Danny Williams is a bit more suspucious than Holyfield who put it on over a long period following a strigent weight based camp.

Keep it real guys.

Everyone know Holyfield was on the juice.
Jones got caught.
Whitaker and Leonard admitted they were on a substance at one point point.
Bruno with his size was never on anything right.
Micky Vann was never on the take [Whitaker v Chavez]115-115
Dave McCauley v Rodolofo Blanco 1 in Belfast.
O Neil Bell v Dale Brown.
They tried to take away the Douglas win in Tokyo over Tyson.

It goes on and on.

I don't care either way.

But right is right and wrong is wrong.

If you are going to point fingers point them in all directions.

Half the reason Holyfield probably did do the juice is because he was a small havweight.
I'm not saying it is right.