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granberry wrote:
Why did Briscoe let Monzon grab him?

Why in the world did he let Monzon get his arms completely around him like that while he (Briscoe) lifted his arms to accomodate Monzon?

They were dating. And you didn't know that?

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Broncano wrote:I guess Bennie is the only one who could appropiately answer that.

He could not even claim he'd punch himslef out because it was a single punch that did the damage.

That being said, after that big scare Monzon won a rather comfortable decision.
It was the first fight (that ended in a draw) when Monzon had his hands full.
Many observers at ringside in Buenos Aires' Luna Park had Briscoe winning that fight.

There was somebody else, however, an obscure,
but by all accounts tough and rugged european middleweight
who gave a young Monzon hell. Any guesses?

You asked about a tough European middleweight who gave Monzon a qo for it once. This might interest you. When Luis Rodriguez was training for his fight with Raphael Gutierrez in San Diego in 1969,one of his sparring partners was a middle weight named "Bad News" Austin. He was African/American. He was talking about his fight with Monzon in Argentina. He said he was robbed of the decision. Monzon was not the champ at that time. I had never seen him until he fought Benvenuti. I heard from some of the fighters that were training at the Coliseum that it was a very close fight.(I don't know how they would know that unless they were there). That's what I heard from these guys. Funny thing about Austin. One day when he was about to spar with Rodriguez,he told the Nose not to punch him in the face becauase he had a skin rash. Rodriguez threw the headgear at him and said "Put it on. That's what I'm paying you for"

Bottier?

ringsider wrote:

granberry wrote:
Why did Briscoe let Monzon grab him?

Why in the world did he let Monzon get his arms completely around him like that while he (Briscoe) lifted his arms to accomodate Monzon?

They were dating. And you didn't know that?

I knew Briscoe very well.

You wouldn't want him to slide his fingers up under your rib cage on your right side and touch your liver.

VERY strange feeling.

I kept a straight face and showed no reaction when he did that with me while was sitting on a table at a gym one morning. I just said, "Hey, what's going on in here today?" and his eyes widened with interest and he smiled.

He never tried it again with me.

There were trainers who were afraid to come into the gym if they saw Briscoe was there.

They would stick their heads in the door, see him advancing toward them and back out the door.

And then peek in again and again until they saw he was occupied and the coast was hopefully clear.

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Wow we certainly have hijacked this thread....

Anyway, there was a catch to my question since the man I was talking about was Felipe Cambeiro, a Spaniard who fought under a Brazilian passport. Monzon made the trip to Rio as a 12 pro bout novice and after being on the canvas three times barely managed to make it to the end on an 8 round points loss.

Our good friend Martin Sosa Cameron recently unearthed a ringside report of that fight and apparently Monzon had some trouble with his right hand. Whatever it was it must not have been that serious because 10 days later he won a 10 round decision in Argentina.

Re: Bouttier. he certainly gave Monzon all he could handle, specially in the second fight. Probably the best french middleweight after Marcel Cerdan.

Re: Charley Austin. Difficult to determine if Austin was telling the truth. It was not unusual for American and European fighters in the pre-television era to claim they were robbed after a loss in Latin America. Again, maybe Martin and his ever resourceful researching ways can shed some light on that.

Bob Foster claims to this day he was robbed in Peru against Mauro Mina, and I'm sure he knows there's no film available to prove him wrong. There's plenty of literature, however that leads me to believe he's just talking out of spite.

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Broncano wrote:Wow we certainly have hijacked this thread....

Anyway, there was a catch to my question since the man I was talking about was Felipe Cambeiro, a Spaniard who fought under a Brazilian passport. Monzon made the trip to Rio as a 12 pro bout novice and after being on the canvas three times barely managed to make it to the end on an 8 round points loss.

Our good friend Martin Sosa Cameron recently unearthed a ringside report of that fight and apparently Monzon had some trouble with his right hand. Whatever it was it must not have been that serious because 10 days later he won a 10 round decision in Argentina.

Re: Bouttier. he certainly gave Monzon all he could handle, specially in the second fight. Probably the best french middleweight after Marcel Cerdan.

Re: Charley Austin. Difficult to determine if Austin was telling the truth. It was not unusual for American and European fighters in the pre-television era to claim they were robbed after a loss in Latin America. Again, maybe Martin and his ever resourceful researching ways can shed some light on that.

Bob Foster claims to this day he was robbed in Peru against Mauro Mina, and I'm sure he knows there's no film available to prove him wrong. There's plenty of literature, however that leads me to believe he's just talking out of spite.

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I started the thread about cuts,but since it went here ,no problem. Since we're talking about hard to dig up facts about Monzon's past,I asked a question a while back about Monzon sparring with Frazier in Philly. I didn't get a response,but maybe someone who's been to Frazier's Gym or another gym in Philly,can answer my question. I heard that Monzon dropped Frazier in a sparring session. True or False? Granberry,you know anything about this?