Fighters Whose Careers Were Affected By Cuts

[dagosd2000]

I'll start with my guy Jose Napoles. L.C Morgan opened up his eye in a fight in Mexico before he became champ. His cuts around his eyes kept getting worse. Both Backus fights,both Muniz fights. He was showing some push against Monzon when the eye opened up again. Couldn't see Carlos's right hand. Not good for your health. Finally lost to Stracey. I remember Jose standing in the ring after the fight,blood all over his face. He had that look like I gotta fight going through this shit all the time? I'm glad he packed it in. Maybe when they called him Mantequilla(Butter)they were talking about the skin around his eyes.

How about some others?

[enrique]

Chuck Wepner and Henry Cooper.

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Alan Minter was a bit of a bleeder.

Mike Tyson is his later career became a bit easy to cut, although was not in the league of the biggest bleeders.

[granberry]

I'll start with my guy Jose Napoles. . . .He was showing some push against Monzon when the eye opened up again.

I must have missed the spot where Napoles was "showing some push against Monzon."

That was the most one-sided ass whipping I ever saw in my life.

Napoles showed NOTHING except that he was a good human punching bag.

.

[granberry]

Chuck Wepner and Henry Cooper.

Wepner went into the 15th round against Ali.

His fight with a very old Liston didn't go 15.

Ralph Palladin (Pellicia) was a fighter whose career was ended once he got vulnerable to cuts.

Palladin beat Rodrigo Valdez in Madison Square Garden.

He beat Valdez thoroughly, out muscling him and outfighting him in close, and outboxing him at long range.

Valdez didn't lose another fight for something like 5 years.

But Palladin got butted and cut up badly shortly afterward in a fight with Matt Donavan and was never a contender again.

He used to say, "If they can cut me they can beat me," as he was working in construction and kept on fighting for extra money.

[MEISINGER]

VITO ANTERAFIRMO (SORRY SPELLING)

[granberry]

VITO ANTERAFIRMO (SORRY SPELLING)

Good one.

I have never been able to spell his name either.

Hagler got all cut up vs Hearns.

[yancey]

Quarry, at least against Frazier and Ali.

Might have been a blessing to cut in those fights with Joe, otherwise he might have left the ring on a stretcher.

[Diamond WEAPON]

Arturo Gatti, that guy got his face ripped open very often.

[dagosd2000]

I'll start with my guy Jose Napoles. . . .He was showing some push against Monzon when the eye opened up again.

I must have missed the spot where Napoles was "showing some push against Monzon."

That was the most one-sided ass whipping I ever saw in my life.

Napoles showed NOTHING except that he was a good human punching bag.

.

Watch the fight on YouTube. Jose was doing pretty good for the first 3 rounds.

[granberry]

I'll start with my guy Jose Napoles. . . .He was showing some push against Monzon when the eye opened up again.

I must have missed the spot where Napoles was "showing some push against Monzon."

That was the most one-sided ass whipping I ever saw in my life.

Napoles showed NOTHING except that he was a good human punching bag.

.

Watch the fight on YouTube. Jose was doing pretty good for the first 3 rounds.

Napoles got the shit kicked out of him.

From start to finish.

It was embarrassing to watch.

[Collins2000]

I must have missed the spot where Napoles was "showing some push against Monzon."

That was the most one-sided ass whipping I ever saw in my life.

Napoles showed NOTHING except that he was a good human punching bag.

.

Watch the fight on YouTube. Jose was doing pretty good for the first 3 rounds.

Napoles got the shit kicked out of him.

From start to finish.

It was embarrassing to watch.

This must be one of the fights granberry watched with someone who knew what they were seeing, as he is correct.

Mantequila never got into that fight.

[dagosd2000]

You make it sound becauase I said "showed some push" that Napoles was winning the fight. I don't think Napoles had a chance against Monzon any way,but the h

Watch the fight on YouTube. Jose was doing pretty good for the first 3 rounds.

Napoles got the shit kicked out of him.

From start to finish.

It was embarrassing to watch.

This must be one of the fights granberry watched with someone who knew what they were seeing, as he is correct.

Mantequila never got into that fight.

You make it sound that because I said Napoles "showed some push" that he was winning the fight. I think Jose was in over his head as it was,but the cut just quickened his demise. I don't kinow why Granberry would be embarrased to watch it?

[Collins2000]

Napoles got the shit kicked out of him.

From start to finish.

It was embarrassing to watch.

This must be one of the fights granberry watched with someone who knew what they were seeing, as he is correct.

Mantequila never got into that fight.

You make it sound that because I said Napoles "showed some push" that he was winning the fight. I think Jose was in over his head as it was,but the cut just quickened his demise. I don't kinow why Granberry would be embarrased to watch it?

Maybe if you define "showed some push", I might see what you are getting at.

I stand by what I said, Napoles was never in that fight.

[Broncano]

I watched this fight live on a Westinghouse b&w TV, and what I saw was that Monzon played with Napoles for 6 rounds. Mantequilla was completely out of his league, and that's what the commentators said at the time.

Years later, I obtained a good copy of the fight, broadcasted by British TV.. and to my surprise the commentators actually make it sound as if Napoles was in the fight until the very end.

[granberry]

I watched this fight live on a Westinghouse b&w TV, and what I saw was that Monzon played with Napoles for 6 rounds. Mantequilla was completely out of his league, and that's what the commentators said at the time.

Years later, I obtained a good copy of the fight, broadcasted by British TV.. and to my surprise the commentators actually make it sound as if Napoles was in the fight until the very end.

Compare that sorry performance by Napoles with Griffith's two fights with Monzon.

[Brute]

I'll start with my guy Jose Napoles. L.C Morgan opened up his eye in a fight in Mexico before he became champ. His cuts around his eyes kept getting worse. Both Backus fights,both Muniz fights. He was showing some push against Monzon when the eye opened up again. Couldn't see Carlos's right hand. Not good for your health. Finally lost to Stracey. I remember Jose standing in the ring after the fight,blood all over his face. He had that look like I gotta fight going through this shit all the time? I'm glad he packed it in. Maybe when they called him Mantequilla(Butter)they were talking about the skin around his eyes.

How about some others?

Considering Napoles' win/loss record, (79-7, 15-3 in title fights)I would hardly say it affected his career. Against Monzon he was a welterweight fighting one of the greatest middleweights ever. Against Stracey he was a 35 year old man with a long career behind him. The other two who stopped him on cuts he later KOed.

[Brute]

Jerry Quarry. The other fighter only had to look at him and he started bleeding.

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Sean O'Grady

[Broncano]

I watched this fight live on a Westinghouse b&w TV, and what I saw was that Monzon played with Napoles for 6 rounds. Mantequilla was completely out of his league, and that's what the commentators said at the time.

Years later, I obtained a good copy of the fight, broadcasted by British TV.. and to my surprise the commentators actually make it sound as if Napoles was in the fight until the very end.

Compare that sorry performance by Napoles with Griffith's two fights with Monzon.

or Briscoe.

There was a famous picture published in Argentina's sport magazine "El Grafico" where Monzon is hanging on to Bennie at the end of the ninth and desperately looking up at the clock. By his own admission, he was hanging on to dear life...

[Broncano]

Found the pic



This original 7x7 black-and-white photo shows world middleweight champion Carlos Monzon looking at the clock after getting nailed in the ninth round by Bennie Briscoe's smashing right hand and grabbing Briscoe to stall the action. The slow-moving Argentina referee appears to be trying to separate the fighters, but molasses moves quicker than he did. Monzon survived the round and went on to score a unanimous 15-round decision over Briscoe on Nov. 11, 1972 in Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Argentina.

[dagosd2000]

This must be one of the fights granberry watched with someone who knew what they were seeing, as he is correct.

Mantequila never got into that fight.

You make it sound that because I said Napoles "showed some push" that he was winning the fight. I think Jose was in over his head as it was,but the cut just quickened his demise. I don't kinow why Granberry would be embarrased to watch it?

Maybe if you define "showed some push", I might see what you are getting at.

I stand by what I said, Napoles was never in that fight.

Ok,"show some push"means that Napoles backed him up a few times. He NEVER had Carlos in trouble. Maybe that's what you wanted to hear. It was one of those fights that shouldn't have been made. After the 5th round you knew that Napoles was not going to last. In the first 3 rounds Napoles was trying to be the aggressor,but could tell he did not have the strength to have any effect on Monzon. The contrast of their bodies was dramatic. And I'll stand by what I said "he showed some push". Didn't mean he was going to win that fight. Besides my focus was on Napoles's problem with cuts during his career.

[Brute]

I watched this fight live on a Westinghouse b&w TV, and what I saw was that Monzon played with Napoles for 6 rounds. Mantequilla was completely out of his league, and that's what the commentators said at the time.

Years later, I obtained a good copy of the fight, broadcasted by British TV.. and to my surprise the commentators actually make it sound as if Napoles was in the fight until the very end.

Compare that sorry performance by Napoles with Griffith's two fights with Monzon.

or Briscoe.

There was a famous picture published in Argentina's sport magazine "El Grafico" where Monzon is hanging on to Bennie at the end of the ninth and desperately looking up at the clock. By his own admission, he was hanging on to dear life...

Briscoe was a full sized middleweight for most of his career. I remember watching him take Tony Mundine apart. Napoles turned pro as a super featherweight and grew into a welterweight. Napoles conceded Monzon four inches in height as well as Monzon's natural weight advantage.

Strangely enough, Monzon had no trouble with Valdez until he got old, while Valdez hammered Briscoe.

[granberry]

Thanks for that picture, Broncano.

Why did Briscoe let Monzon grab him?

Why in the world did he let Monzon get his arms completely around him like that while he (Briscoe) lifted his arms to accomodate Monzon?

[Broncano]

I guess Bennie is the only one who could appropiately answer that.

He could not even claim he'd punch himslef out because it was a single punch that did the damage.

That being said, after that big scare Monzon won a rather comfortable decision.
It was the first fight (that ended in a draw) when Monzon had his hands full.
Many observers at ringside in Buenos Aires' Luna Park had Briscoe winning that fight.

There was somebody else, however, an obscure,
but by all accounts tough and rugged european middleweight
who gave a young Monzon hell. Any guesses?