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Ambling Alp said
"As mentioned, he did give Giardello all that he could handle"

Carter lost by a lopsided margin to Giardello.

"and beat Fernendez,Mims and Ellis."

Mims knocked Carter down and beat him throughly.

"It should also be mentioned that he won a close fight against George Benton."

The Benton fight was a fix on Benton's part. Benton stood around and posed for ten rounds while Carter poked a jab respectfully at him.
Benton's business was run by the same Philly people who had Giardello, and they wanted Carter to have the title fight.

Carter did not belong in the same ring with top level middleweights like Dick Tiger, Giardello, Mims.

Carter lost TWICE to over the hill welterweight Luis Rodgriguez.

Dick Tiger used Carter like a human punching bag.

What footage have most of you guys seen of Carter ?

Damn.

I thought Granberry was back before I realized that the post was from febuary :(

Carter wasn't the 'uncrowned champ' that the crap movie and Dylan song would have you believe, but he was a VERY good and dangerous fighter. Watching him vs Benton, Griffith, and others, the guy was a very well conditioned, hard-punching fighter with good skills. He came up short in a great era of middleweights. I have little doubt he would've run ragged through the likes of Taylor, Abraham, and Pavlik with relative ease.

dempseyfire wrote:Carter wasn't the 'uncrowned champ' that the crap movie and Dylan song would have you believe, but he was a VERY good and dangerous fighter. Watching him vs Benton, Griffith, and others, the guy was a very well conditioned, hard-punching fighter with good skills. He came up short in a great era of middleweights. I have little doubt he would've run ragged through the likes of Taylor, Abraham, and Pavlik with relative ease.

The movie is a good fantasy. American Justice did a show on the Carter-Artis case. All I think I understand is that he wasn't found innocent or guilty. :??

I agree with the thread-starter. Carter would be remembered as just another good, talented contender with a few good years near the top, if not for all the controversy about his case. The notion that he was somehow an "uncrowned champion" is definitely absurd and revisionist.

Did he do it..?

:??

Cos you know Oprah doesn't think so..

Nobody's replied to ya yet, so I'll give it a shot. D I don't know a thing about the Oprah connection, didn't see that particular show. I just know that I liked Denzel Washington so much in The Hurricane that I took the movie to heart as factual. The kid that was supposedly with him (Rubin Carter), John Artis, that was incarcerated as well, I'm just going by the documentary done by the show American Justice (italics rock!), I honestly haven't a clue! :?? What I think I do know is that Carter & Artis were not found innocent. American Justice is really as far as I wanna go as far as researching what is portrayed in the movie, but this is what I feel I did understand. I just dig on the movie as a good fantasy now. Don't know one way or the other.

He's guilty and an asshole.


http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/#moviegraphics

Yeah, it says on that site that Carter's conviction was overturned due to procedural errors, not evidence. Wow. That is an interesting site.