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jamesmcdonnell wrote:Manny has Zero chance against Oscar.

Oscar has taken flush shots from Vargas, Trinidad, and Mosley - Pacman doesn't even have power at 135, let alone moving up into Oscar's territory, and Oscar was also quick enough to hang with Mayweather.

Oscar will probably stop Pacman, he hits bloody hard compared to ANYONE Pacman has faced, and will be able to take anything Manny can dish out.

This is, quite simply, a no-contest.

Disagree on two counts, and I am a huge DLH fan.

1) Pacquiao has no power at 135? He just fought Iron chinned David Diaz. Yeah Diaz lost to Holt (bigger guy) by stoppage but I think he took a sustained beating there also. I cannot believe Pacquaio received any criticisms for that display.

2) Yes, DLH took flush shots from big hitter years ago... but was stunned against Mayorga and even small Mayweather. His punch resistance I don't think is what it was.

Saying the p4p number one fighter on the planet has zero chance against a past prime, weight drained (albeit all time great) fighter is a bit harsh too imo

stujones wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Manny has Zero chance against Oscar.

Oscar has taken flush shots from Vargas, Trinidad, and Mosley - Pacman doesn't even have power at 135, let alone moving up into Oscar's territory, and Oscar was also quick enough to hang with Mayweather.

Oscar will probably stop Pacman, he hits bloody hard compared to ANYONE Pacman has faced, and will be able to take anything Manny can dish out.

This is, quite simply, a no-contest.

Disagree on two counts, and I am a huge DLH fan.

1) Pacquiao has no power at 135? He just fought Iron chinned David Diaz. Yeah Diaz lost to Holt (bigger guy) by stoppage but I think he took a sustained beating there also. I cannot believe Pacquaio received any criticisms for that display.

2) Yes, DLH took flush shots from big hitter years ago... but was stunned against Mayorga and even small Mayweather. His punch resistance I don't think is what it was.

Pacquaio was absolutely destroying people at Super Bantam, and Featherweight, and has been less destructive as he has moved up the weights - do you disagree with that? He stopped Diaz, but that was partly because Diaz's come forward style is entirely the wrong strategy against Pacman - it was cumulative effects which stopped Diaz. Pacman will be the one reaching and missing against Oscar, and will get counter with big shots when he does so.

Mayorga was a very big welterweight, who weighed in at 160+ come fight night.

Mayweather knocked out Hatton, a MASSIVE 147 lb fighter who weighed in at least 158 on fight night. He made Oscar think twice, but never came close to stopping him.

Diaz may be iron chinned, but he is nowhere near DLH's calibre skills wise, nor as fast, nor in my opinion, as hard hitting.

Even past his prime, Oscar will mop the floor with Manny, mark my words.

I will eat humble pie if he doesn't, but I'm not getting my knife and fork ready, I can tell you that.

My prediction Pacman LTKO10 after a thrilling fight where Pacman has his moments but is absorbing a sustained beating throughout.

James I agree with you.

This is too big a leap for the former flyweight. He has been brilliant to achieve what he has in the higher weights up to now and deserves P4P No1 status.

Completely different kettle of fish fighting a guy, although past his best, who has mixed it up with naturally bigger guys. This fight has curiousity value for me - nothing more. There can only be one winner IMO (bank balances not included).

All I am saying is lets see if Pacquiao fight a slightly more vulnerable fighter before writing his power at 135 off. He looked pretty destructive against Morales. Part of the reason why he appears to be less powerful up the weights is because he fighting a better callibre of opponents.

Hatton isn't a massive 147 lbs fighter... he a pretty big 140 lbs fighter, but not massive at that weight.

Mayweather hurt DLH more than he hurt Baldomir - which shows that despite their respective skills, and fighting styles.... not hurting an iron chinned fighter doesn't mean no power. Alot of posters here were turned off by Mayweather vs DLH by stating "I'm not interested in watching a fight in which one of the guys have no chance to score a KO" - not sure the opnion would be the same if they did fight again... it was Mayweather who looked the more powerful and closer to score the KO.

I'm a big fan of Oscar but he should have hung them up after the Floyd fight, what more does he have to prove? He is set up for life financially so it's not as if he's fighting for the money.

The last time Oscar faced someone with a reach and height as small as Pacquaio was against Leija. Mayweather looked small against Delahoya, well Pac is 2inches shorter and 5inches less in reach.

Who's the most similar stylistically? I'd say Mosley who was 2inches taller, 6inches more reach and 10lbs heavier on fight night, that was close in Oscars prime, now hes past prime so maybe it evens things up?

Manny has always been a weight drainer and this is the first time hes had a significant size in both fight night weight and reach/height. He has advantages in speed and stamina so it will be interesting to see how he does against a bigger man, as size isn't everything in boxing.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: size isn't everything in boxing.

Well it should be. That's why there are different weight divisions.

The waters get muddied nowadays with all the weight hopping. In pure legacy terms a fighter should clear out the current division he fights at instead of fighting there against a name and breezing on through. Mayweather did it at WW/LMW too. Pacquaio would be better suited proving that he's the best LW out there right now - beating Diaz doesn't do that for me just like if he beats ODLH doesn't prove he's the best WW in the world.

This is pure novelty boxing with lots of bucks up for grabs. ODLH is too big for him - I guess I may have to just leave it at that.

Boxing's golden boy Oscar De La Hoya makes what he claims to be a farewell ring appearance in Las Vegas in December against boxing's Bruce Lee, Manny Pacquiao, over 12 non-title rounds.
De La Hoya, 35 and a pro since 1992, is more preoccupied with promoting than fighting these days (he even promotes here, in conjunction with the ever-lovely Bob Arum) but gets the urge to dust off the gloves occasionally and you wonder if this is really the last one. He fought once in 2006, once in 2007 and once earlier this year, when he easily outscored Portland's immensely durable Steve Forbes over 12 rounds in May. That could and perhaps should have spelt a-d-i-o-s for Oscar, who outclassed Forbes from start to finish, but Forbes was no marquee opponent, no marquee payday (multi-millionaire Oscar clearly adores the dollar).
Enter Pacquiao.
The 29-year-old Filipino comes off a brilliant nine-round destruction of Chicago's brave and capable David Diaz in Las Vegas in June - an amazing debut at lightweight for Pacquiao who (like Oscar) has won major world titles with an almost staggering disregard for poundage, starting out as WBC flyweight champion back in 1998 and proceeding to titles at super-bantamweight, super-featherweight and now lightweight, courtesy of that win over Diaz (also for the WBC belt). For this one Manny jumps up two weight classes to welterweight; De La Hoya, a light-middleweight, drops down a single division. Six months ago, Pacquiao was fighting at super-featherweight. De La Hoya last fought at super-featherweight 14 years ago. David vs Goliath? No, but it is getting there.
Little Pacquiao actually turned pro at light-flyweight.
Frankly, this is a bad match and De La Hoya (and that man Arum) creates for himself a monster of a lose-lose situation in his final fling. If he takes Manny out, people will label him a bully, a big bully; if he struggles, people will say he struggled with a wee man; if he loses, and there are never any guarantees in a sport like boxing (and with a talent such as Pacquiao), people...
"My legacy is already cemented," says De La Hoya, dismissively. "You can't take back what I've accomplished in the ring."
In victory, as long as nobody gets hurt, Oscar can indeed look back with real satisfaction. The good-looking boy from a notorious Los Angeles barrio (ghetto) fought his way out by capturing Olympic gold as a teenager and a world title as a pro in just his 12th outing (at super-featherweight). He went on to capture genuine world titles at light, light-welter, welter, light-middle and even middleweight and still looks unmarked, testimony to his ability.
Rangy and skilful, with quick hands and a decent dig, Oscar lets the punches flow in dazzling combinations and is tough behind the glitter, the smile, the beautiful Puerto Rican wife, too. Only Philadelphia legend Hopkins has ever stopped him, and with a body shot, when De La Hoya went in with a man later to lift the Ring magazine light-heavyweight belt. His victims include Jorge Paez, Julio Cesar Chavez, Arturo Gatti, Ike Quartey, Pernell Whitaker, Fernando Vargas, Felix Sturm and Ricardo Mayorga.
Pacquiao?
Most people assume that the quicker, younger Asian will have his moments against the Californian - and he probably will, for a little while - but it is hard to empathise with those who visualise another Leonard-Hagler as Pacquiao's speed and skill, his terrific workrate, stretch an aging De La Hoya that bit too far. Even in defeat, Oscar was competitive with Hopkins and with the likes of Floyd Mayweather, Felix Trinidad, with Shane Mosley (twice). These are the kind of men you don't even relate to Pacquiao, given their size. Yes, I suppose one could argue southpaw "Pac Man" knows how to handle lanky punch-pickers in the De La Hoya mould (ish), having twice stopped Mexico's Erik Morales. He also holds two fabulous wins over Marco Antonio Barrera, one of them a stoppage. Earlier this year, though, Pacquiao struggled to a split decision over Juan Manuel Marquez, a smooth boxer like De La Hoya. He also struggled with tall Nedal Huseein back in 2000 in the Philippines, an Aussie who goes by the blood-curdling nickname of "Skinny". He lost a first fight to Morales.
Realistically, De la Hoya looks way too big and strong and heavy handed for Pacquiao, with 30 knockouts in 39 wins. The American is four inches taller, has a six-inch reach advantage, and one can only imagine how much heavier he will be on the night. De La Hoya has not been down to welter since 2001, when he stopped the swashbuckling Gatti in five rounds; Pacquaio, to risk repeating oneself, has never fought above lightweight - and only once at lightweight.
To adopt a boxing cliche: a good big 'un always beats a good little 'un. De La Hoya wears Pacquiao down and stops him.

Pacman will knock Oscar out in the late rounds.

Oscar moving down to 147 will be more risky than manny moving up!

I see Manny pulling this off..

i like manny, he fights like a warrior, but he has unfinnished business with marquez, and he has to beat the best at light weight division.

Oscar should outweigh Manny by over a stone on fight night. And to see Manny's head rocked back by Marquez's counters suggests to me that Manny will be TKO'ed. If he did win though it would be an amazing feat but I sadly can't see it. Come on, Manny anyways.

This fight makes little sense - only dollars and cents. It's just a novelty fight imo.