KAYES LEAVES HATTON AS WELL?

Scrap · Post by **Scrap** » 31 Aug 2008, 15:25

At the end of the day, it boils down to that wonderfull saying . Training is it the Wound or the Bandage, we are about to find out

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Scrap · Post by **Scrap** » 31 Aug 2008, 15:36

Wild Waylon, Dont mention Football Coaching and Rocket science together. They Havent got a clue Football clubs.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 31 Aug 2008, 15:55

Scrap wrote:Wild Waylon, Dont mention Football Coaching and Rocket science together. They Havent got a clue Football clubs.

Sorry mate, just suggesting how PN could become rich with bullshit. LOL

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 31 Aug 2008, 16:10

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:It's more about knowing what to take and when to take it, though. Maybe this can be learned, but if it is why don't we all become nutritionists?.
When:

5-7 small meals a day in 3hourly intervals = optimising insulin levels and stopping your body shutting into starvation mode

What:

Meals consisting of: 30-50grams from low fat protein sources, 20-30g very low glycemic carbs (slow burning so insulin isn't spike), as much leafy green veg you can eat (take more calories to burn than they contain)

Supplements: Whey Isolate (between meals), ECA+Y Stack (after meals), Nitric Oxide (between meals), Fish oil (with), MultiVitamins+High Dose C/E/B, CEE (between meals), Glutamine/HMB/BCAA (between meals) + other cutting agents if you get deperate to shift the last few pounds

Extras: 5-6litres of water, No Sugar (possibly post workout), No Snacks

Its not rocket science

ECA+Y Stack ?

hmmmmmm

i cant imagine he takes Ephedrine, but does anyone know for sure?

Having used Ephedrine, i wouldnt have thought it was a good idea

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 31 Aug 2008, 16:17

DavidPayne wrote:A loss. Though I don't like the fascination with weights.

I'd like to see some higher quality sparring.

Its a bit odd that our 2 best fighters (Calzaghe and Hatton) sparring is, by all accounts, a bit of a joke.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 31 Aug 2008, 16:18

banjo wrote:
Colesy wrote:Also passing up the ODLH fight was a mistake.
Not necessarily, yeah he'd have received the biggest purse of his career but he'd likely have been on the receiving end of a career-ending beatdown.

Yeah Oscar hammers Hatton for sure, but ever the business man, id take the 15 million quid (maybe?) payday, take my beating and fornicate off into the sunset, a very very rich man

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 31 Aug 2008, 16:43

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
banjo wrote:
Colesy wrote:Also passing up the ODLH fight was a mistake.
Not necessarily, yeah he'd have received the biggest purse of his career but he'd likely have been on the receiving end of a career-ending beatdown.
Yeah Oscar hammers Hatton for sure, but ever the business man, id take the 15 million quid (maybe?) payday, take my beating and eff off into the sunset, a very very rich man

You'd be silly not to

KO1 · Post by **KO1** » 31 Aug 2008, 19:24

Does anyone know if Hatton has used full contact sparring with other fighters in preparation for his bouts at all, besides the body bag exercise.
I've never seen any pictures of him sparring.

I've read that Malignaagi has been in intense training for several weeks already and Hatton has not started yet?
I wish as a Hatton fan he would have prepared 12 weeks and stayed nearer his fighting weight all year round. It is just too much strain on the body to lose 30 or 40 lbs and still keep your punch and speed. Malignaggi is much tougher than people think. I hope Ricky is truly ready for this as Malignaggi is almost impossible to hit cleanly and the word is he is getting into fantastic shape.

Thanks,
Rory

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 31 Aug 2008, 19:38

KO1 wrote:Does anyone know if Hatton has used full contact sparring with other fighters in preparation for his bouts at all, besides the body bag exercise.
I've never seen any pictures of him sparring.

I've read that Malignaagi has been in intense training for several weeks already and Hatton has not started yet?
I wish as a Hatton fan he would have prepared 12 weeks and stayed nearer his fighting weight all year round. It is just too much strain on the body to lose 30 or 40 lbs and still keep your punch and speed. Malignaggi is much tougher than people think. I hope Ricky is truly ready for this as Malignaggi is almost impossible to hit cleanly and the word is he is getting into fantastic shape.

Thanks,
Rory

It doesn't sound like Ricky has started training yet: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sh ... 629780.ece and he looks HEAVY.

KO1 · Post by **KO1** » 31 Aug 2008, 22:24

My God, he does look like about 175lbs there
why isn't he training yet, Malignaggi is training hard now. I just don't understand it?????

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 01 Sep 2008, 03:00

KO1 wrote:My God, he does look like about 175lbs there
why isn't he training yet, Malignaggi is training hard now. I just don't understand it?????

I'm sure they know what they are doing, stop panicking

Malignaggi training schedule has nothing what so ever to do with Hatton, a veteran of some 40 odd fights

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 01 Sep 2008, 03:21

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:ECA+Y Stack ?

hmmmmmm

i cant imagine he takes Ephedrine, but does anyone know for sure?

Having used Ephedrine, i wouldnt have thought it was a good idea

He talks quick enough as it is without that!

I found it too strong meself.

Doesn't it stay in the system for a while for drug testing?

MR UNTOUCHABLE · Post by **MR UNTOUCHABLE** » 01 Sep 2008, 08:20

Mark my words, the loss of Kayes IS a huge blow to Hatton.

Not only did he do his nutrition but also oversaw all of his weight training.

I would not be at all suprised if Ricky could / did not make the weight (in a proper fashion).

don't call it a comeback · Post by **don't call it a comeback** » 01 Sep 2008, 08:59

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:It's more about knowing what to take and when to take it, though. Maybe this can be learned, but if it is why don't we all become nutritionists?.
When:

5-7 small meals a day in 3hourly intervals = optimising insulin levels and stopping your body shutting into starvation mode

What:

Meals consisting of: 30-50grams from low fat protein sources, 20-30g very low glycemic carbs (slow burning so insulin isn't spike), as much leafy green veg you can eat (take more calories to burn than they contain)

Supplements: Whey Isolate (between meals), ECA+Y Stack (after meals), Nitric Oxide (between meals), Fish oil (with), MultiVitamins+High Dose C/E/B, CEE (between meals), Glutamine/HMB/BCAA (between meals) + other cutting agents if you get deperate to shift the last few pounds

Extras: 5-6litres of water, No Sugar (possibly post workout), No Snacks

Its not rocket science

jab uppercut jab jab body shot jab overhand jab jab

its not rocket science is it. why bother with any trainers at all.....

Huge loss to Hatton. The last four rounds with Malignaggi could get ugly.

KO1 · Post by **KO1** » 01 Sep 2008, 17:31

Khaosai-Galaxy Post subject: Re: KAYES LEAVES HATTON AS WELL?Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:00 am

Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:15 pm
Posts: 543 KO1 wrote:
My God, he does look like about 175lbs there
why isn't he training yet, Malignaggi is training hard now. I just don't understand it?????

"I'm sure they know what they are doing, stop panicking

Malignaggi training schedule has nothing what so ever to do with Hatton, a veteran of some 40 odd fights "

Yes Sir, I shall stop panicking immeidately Sir, thank you. Malignaggi's training has nothing to do with Hatton as the actual man he is going to have to fight that night while being so overweight and being a veteran of 40 fights who is now older? Sage advice Sir, you are so right, nothing to do with him whatsoever. One chap traiining for 12 weeks starting out in shape the other for 8 weeks having to drop 30-40lbs. I am quite sure they know what they are doing also and he will be in his best shape ever.

I feel so silly even thinking it. Endless apologies mate.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 01 Sep 2008, 17:36

KO1 wrote:Khaosai-Galaxy Post subject: Re: KAYES LEAVES HATTON AS WELL?Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:00 am

Joined: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:15 pm
Posts: 543 KO1 wrote:
My God, he does look like about 175lbs there
why isn't he training yet, Malignaggi is training hard now. I just don't understand it?????

"I'm sure they know what they are doing, stop panicking

Malignaggi training schedule has nothing what so ever to do with Hatton, a veteran of some 40 odd fights "

Yes Sir, I shall stop panicking immeidately Sir, thank you. Malignaggi's training has nothing to do with Hatton as the actual man he is going to have to fight that night while being so overweight and being a veteran of 40 fights who is now older? Sage advice Sir, you are so right, nothing to do with him whatsoever. One chap traiining for 12 weeks starting out in shape the other for 8 weeks having to drop 30-40lbs. I am quite sure they know what they are doing also and he will be in his best shape ever.

I feel so silly even thinking it. Endless apologies mate.

So the longer the training camp, the better is it?

why not a 25 week training camp then?

Hatton hasn't done badly from his training routine, has he?

Punchy Joe · Post by **Punchy Joe** » 01 Sep 2008, 17:43

So the longer the training camp, the better is it?

why not a 25 week training camp then?

Hatton hasn't done badly from his training routine, has he?

When he was younger he was in the gym more often, because he fought more often.
He was also in training 6 months for the Costa Zoo fight.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 01 Sep 2008, 17:46

Punchy Joe wrote:
So the longer the training camp, the better is it?

why not a 25 week training camp then?

Hatton hasn't done badly from his training routine, has he?
When he was younger he was in the gym more often, because he fought more often.
He was also in training 6 months for the Costa Zoo fight.

ha ha ha

sure he was

NEXT!!

Punchy Joe · Post by **Punchy Joe** » 01 Sep 2008, 17:53

ha ha ha

sure he was

NEXT!!

He was - you dipshit

Colesy · Post by **Colesy** » 01 Sep 2008, 19:29

banjo wrote:
Colesy wrote:Also passing up the ODLH fight was a mistake.
Not necessarily, yeah he'd have received the biggest purse of his career but he'd likely have been on the receiving end of a career-ending beatdown.

Missing out on the biggest name in boxing is a mistake. Hatton will regret this, both have only a couple of fights left. This would be a huge challenge and Hatton will have to be mentally focussed. I agree that he would be a huge underdog but financially and legacy wise this is the biggest fight out ther for him by far. Why not take it, because he would lose? If that was his mindset why take the Mayweather fight.

Doesn't add up to me.

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 01 Sep 2008, 19:33

Colesy wrote:
banjo wrote:
Colesy wrote:Also passing up the ODLH fight was a mistake.
Not necessarily, yeah he'd have received the biggest purse of his career but he'd likely have been on the receiving end of a career-ending beatdown.
Missing out on the biggest name in boxing is a mistake. Hatton will regret this, both have only a couple of fights left. This would be a huge challenge and Hatton will have to be mentally focussed. I agree that he would be a huge underdog but financially and legacy wise this is the biggest fight out ther for him by far. Why not take it, because he would lose? If that was his mindset why take the Mayweather fight.

Doesn't add up to me.

I think Hatton knows he would lose to De La Hoya, whereas Hatton thought he could beat Mayweather Jr. If Hatton beats Malignaggi and then it would make sense for him to face the winner of Pacquiao vs De La Hoya.

KO1 · Post by **KO1** » 01 Sep 2008, 21:19

Ricky is an amazing fighter and a fan favorite of anyone who loves boxing.
Boxing history has proven with Ali, Ray Robinson, Mickey Walker, Turpin and anyone you can think of that getting vastly out of shape between fights and having to lose in this case 20 pounds a month up to the fight through supplements and diet is so arduous an ordeal, and so dangerous for the body that the reflexes and power will never be the same. Without the timing a fighter gets from sparring they start missing punches in close. It is not a case of 25 week training camps, it is a case of how much damage alcohol, red meat, starches and sugars and the up and down riding the lift weight loss and gain horror does to a fighting machine.

Why risk such a great legacy in the home stretch. If someone is getting that out of shape, it is NOT knowing what your doing, it is guessing that as you get older you will be able to get away with the same abuse to your body as when you were younger. It was his amazing stamina, lungs and heart muscle with determination that got Ricky very far. With his body so changed, taking so many punches in the Mayweather fight that he ought never to have been hit with did damage. He must learn new methods now that he is not what he once was. If you take for example the same old intruction from a fight teacher who fought for only 2 years and fought men with win loss records of 13-18, 13-21, 13-28, 19-29, 11-18, 11-17 and a guy with 19-68 losses, then loses to a man with 17 wins and 20 losses, what they hell can that person teach you?
He did the best job he could and I respect that, but this is a different Ricky now that has to be much better as he has slowed down very much.
Supplements and protein shakes are not going to win this fight.

Hatton won in the past because he was young, aggressive, applied pressure and is a tough guy. He must realize he was knocked out, took too many shots and does not score with real power anymore against class A+ fighters. At his physical state now, with the same assistant to the other chap I believe training him, lets hope he can learn something that trancends amateur instruction and or just repeats up and down massive weight gain and loss which would destroy any athletes ability to be at his best. Was this assistant to the other trainer a fighter himself, how many bouts did he have, lets hope he had a lot and won a lot to pass on the best teachings. I am sure he is a good friend and all that and we all wish him the best. The question is what new things can he bring in to fix the damage from the Mayweather loss and the new weight gain at age 30.

Malignaggi could easily turn out to be someone that he can hardly touch with any punches at all, if he does not prepare well enought THIS TIME,
not the other times, but this time. Using the same methods will mark my words prove a disaster because his body has changed too damn much in the wake of the Mayweather fight. This opponent is the worst one possible to choose. He is too damn fast, and has to be stopped to be beaten, he will never be outpointed.

I hope Ricky stops him, it would be the only way.

coneye · Post by **coneye** » 01 Sep 2008, 21:22

IF being the word , personally i think this is gonna be a upset , The side show is coming to a end.. Wicky can then go on to his new love drinking piss and playing the comedian,

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 02 Sep 2008, 04:46

KO1 wrote:Ricky is an amazing fighter and a fan favorite of anyone who loves boxing.

That was where I stopped reading, fan favorites don't duck their arch-rival countrymen for 8 years

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 02 Sep 2008, 05:57

Chambers2 wrote:
KO1 wrote:Ricky is an amazing fighter and a fan favorite of anyone who loves boxing.
That was where I stopped reading, fan favorites don't duck their arch-rival countrymen for 8 years

Haha, I stopped reading there too. KO1, you can't speak for other people. He's not a favourite of mine, though have enjoyed some of his fights.