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Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:07

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:03

Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:00

Tyson Foremans Frazier maybe even faster ya know it

Prime Tyson would smear Frazier, so yeah.

It would be ugly also Ali was also open to left hook eg Frazier cooper so Tyson (yes prime of course! ) would have great chance he must hit twice as hard as cooper with left

Yeah, but Prime Ali of the mid/late sixties would frustrate Tyson to death.

Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:26

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:14

Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:07

It would be ugly also Ali was also open to left hook eg Frazier cooper so Tyson (yes prime of course! ) would have great chance he must hit twice as hard as cooper with left

Yeah, but Prime Ali of the mid/late sixties would frustrate Tyson to death.

It’s a tough call for sure and that’s why its number one fight for me. Lewis Bowe

I still have a tough time understanding that fight never happening. Had to be the fault of that dope Rock Newman.

Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:29

Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:26

It’s a tough call for sure and that’s why its number one fight for me. Lewis Bowe

I still have a tough time understanding that fight never happening. Had to be the fault of that dope Rock Newman.

Dope head more like would’ve been huge

LOL! Right! I always had issues with little dopey fat guys named Rock.

So many of them. Plenty are already mentioned. Just a bit of other random stuff from my wet dreams list:

Dempsey-Marciano
Monzon-Robinson
Frazier-Lyle
Lewis-Bowe
Tszyu-Mosley
Hopkins-Golovkin
Kovalev-Stevenson

Carbo wrote: ↑31 Mar 2009, 05:04And also, I would love to see any fight of Sugar Ray Robinson at his true peak at 147, of which there are no tapes.

And he fought so often, too. No matter how good you were in those days, cumulative wear and tear could catch out anyone who fought every few weeks, and the chances of an off-day or being under the weather were much higher. 40 undefeated in two years, was it? Crazy.

Patterson v Haye
Langford v Eubank
Locche v Whitaker
Calzaghe v Froch
Pirog v Golovkin

The last two shouldn't be fantasies.

n1ebf wrote: ↑30 Mar 2009, 17:32

hitman09 wrote: Ricky Hatton - Arturo Gatti

that would have been some spectacle, prime for prime. I go Gatti, inside.

hatton would walk straight through gatti. He always got far too much credit simply for being in barnstormers. Ricky was genuinely world class in his pomp, too big too strong and too relentless for gatti.

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:03

Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:00

Jacopodb wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 20:09

You gave me a hint:

Tyson vs Vitali Klitschko
Tyson vs Frazier
Bruno vs Joshua
Cammarelle vs Teofilo Stevenson (at superheavyweight)
Teofilo Stevenson vs Felix Savon (at heavyweight, of course)

Told you there was more to come... and there might be much more.

Tyson Foremans Frazier maybe even faster ya know it

Prime Tyson would smear Frazier, so yeah.

Disagree. Frazier was just too tough a man for mike who was actually quite fragile in fights he wasn't dominating. It would be a classic case of the bully folding for me. I remember seeing mike shriek like a little girl in one fight when his trainer put a coldswell on him and for some reason it made me think what would Frazier do in that situation? Just feel Frazier would intimidate mike. I say that as a huge tyson fan.

Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:00

Jacopodb wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 20:09

Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 20:02 Ali - Mike Tyson

You gave me a hint:

Tyson vs Vitali Klitschko
Tyson vs Frazier
Bruno vs Joshua
Cammarelle vs Teofilo Stevenson (at superheavyweight)
Teofilo Stevenson vs Felix Savon (at heavyweight, of course)

Told you there was more to come... and there might be much more.

Tyson Foremans Frazier maybe even faster ya know it

Sure, but that Frazier, damn-he-hit-hard.

The Frazier-version that punished Alí, or even a little earlier one, I might guess, would be tough challenge for any HW champion.
I also learned that he has been an Olympic gold... 1964, great era for heavyweights: bronze-medal Ros was one tough motherf*cker, back then: he lost to fair opposition as a pro, specially past his prime, but was KO'd only once in 62 fights held in dark times for boxers.

Beware of former-proficient amateurs...

Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 08:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:03

Shhhh wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 22:00

Tyson Foremans Frazier maybe even faster ya know it

Prime Tyson would smear Frazier, so yeah.

Disagree. Frazier was just too tough a man for mike who was actually quite fragile in fights he wasn't dominating. It would be a classic case of the bully folding for me. I remember seeing mike shriek like a little girl in one fight when his trainer put a coldswell on him and for some reason it made me think what would Frazier do in that situation? Just feel Frazier would intimidate mike. I say that as a huge tyson fan.

Very good point.

Froch vs Eubank has always intrigued me. Would be a war.

jlh wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 16:28 Froch vs Eubank has always intrigued me. Would be a war.

I’ve always thought of Froch as a spiritual successor to Eubank

Herol graham v Benn and Eubank
Hatton v witter
Mcguigan v Nelson
Calzaghe v Froch

Holmes v Foreman
Ray Leonard v mayweather
Duran v Arguello
Johnny tapia v Prince naseem

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 16:50

jlh wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 16:28 Froch vs Eubank has always intrigued me. Would be a war.

I’ve always thought of Froch as a spiritual successor to Eubank

The difference is froch actively sort out the best in the world and chris (by his own admission) avoided them.

Shhhh wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 20:26

Jacopodb wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 09:56

Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 08:16
Disagree. Frazier was just too tough a man for mike who was actually quite fragile in fights he wasn't dominating. It would be a classic case of the bully folding for me. I remember seeing mike shriek like a little girl in one fight when his trainer put a coldswell on him and for some reason it made me think what would Frazier do in that situation? Just feel Frazier would intimidate mike. I say that as a huge tyson fan.

Very good point.

I dont all agree a wise boxing guy once told me Tyson was a bully, but a very good one and Frazier just dont have the strength to stand up to mike

yup!

Shhhh wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 20:29

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 20:28

Shhhh wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 20:26

I dont all agree a wise boxing guy once told me Tyson was a bully, but a very good one and Frazier just dont have the strength to stand up to mike

yup!

I’m betting man but if I got odds of evens I would bet my house on Tyson without thinking

YUP!!1

James toney 160 vs marvin hagler
Lennox lewis vs prime larry holmes
Maywether vs sugar ray leonard
Evander hoyfield 1991 vs mike tyson 1986
Ricky hatton 2001 vs shea neary 2001
Roy jones vs sugar ray leonard
Marciano vs mike tyson
Jack johnson vs sonny liston
Just what i can think of at the minute

I'm curious as to why most who puts Floyd Mayweather in a dream fight does so at not his optimal weight division?
I would say 130 or 135 was the best version of Floyd

Greg Nicholas wrote: ↑30 Mar 2009, 18:33 Duran v Mayweather 135..

This would be the match up I would love to have seen

tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Jan 2019, 02:01 I'm curious as to why most who puts Floyd Mayweather in a dream fight does so at not his optimal weight division?
I would say 130 or 135 was the best version of Floyd

Mayweather was good at 147 too,he finished his career undefeated so whatever weight he fought at he was good.

Id say he beat the better opponent at 147. But mayweather vs naz at 130 would of been good or mayweather vs pacman at 135

Gene Tunney vs RJJ at LHW

thechump wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 20:56 James toney 160 v marvin hagler
Marciano vs mike tyson
Jack johnson vs sonny liston

Toney vs Hagler would be nice, altho I doubt that Toney could ever cope with Hagler's pace (he would have to train harder than he ever did in his life...).

Both Jack Johnson and Liston were tough as nails, but old fighters can get too dirty for my taste, often ending up wrestling too much.

Do you people believe that Tyson would have more chances vs Marciano, or vs Frazier..?
Frazier was bigger than Marciano, but Rocky had a taste for fitness I barely have seen in a champion...

Jacopodb wrote: ↑02 Jan 2019, 11:13

thechump wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 20:56 James toney 160 v marvin hagler
Marciano vs mike tyson
Jack johnson vs sonny liston

Toney vs Hagler would be nice, altho I doubt that Toney could ever cope with Hagler's pace (he would have to train harder than he ever did in his life...).

Both Jack Johnson and Liston were tough as nails, but old fighters can get too dirty for my taste, often ending up wrestling too much.

Do you people believe that Tyson would have more chances vs Marciano, or vs Frazier..?
Frazier was bigger than Marciano, but Rocky had a taste for fitness I barely have seen in a champion...

I think tyson would of beaten both with his speed and power,neither would of seen speed like his for a big man,marciano was tough but was only 13st in weight so tyson would of had 2st on him plus speed and accuracy,frazier would of caused tyson more problems i think. Its all opinion based and as we know opinions are like a holes everyone has one lol

Shhhh wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 20:26

Jacopodb wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 09:56

Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 08:16
Disagree. Frazier was just too tough a man for mike who was actually quite fragile in fights he wasn't dominating. It would be a classic case of the bully folding for me. I remember seeing mike shriek like a little girl in one fight when his trainer put a coldswell on him and for some reason it made me think what would Frazier do in that situation? Just feel Frazier would intimidate mike. I say that as a huge tyson fan.

Very good point.

I dont all agree a wise boxing guy once told me Tyson was a bully, but a very good one and Frazier just dont have the strength to stand up to mike

Frazier had the strength to endure the thrilla in Manila so I would dispute that tbh. Mike was mentally weak and usually became a live quitter when things got hot. I remember him being frustrated vs guys like bonecrusher smith who would smother him, he was amazing at working his was inside but would often do little in a clinch/inside kind of situation. I would fancy Frazier to sicken him.

thechump wrote: ↑02 Jan 2019, 12:16

Jacopodb wrote: ↑02 Jan 2019, 11:13

thechump wrote: ↑01 Jan 2019, 20:56 James toney 160 v marvin hagler
Marciano vs mike tyson
Jack johnson vs sonny liston

Toney vs Hagler would be nice, altho I doubt that Toney could ever cope with Hagler's pace (he would have to train harder than he ever did in his life...).

Both Jack Johnson and Liston were tough as nails, but old fighters can get too dirty for my taste, often ending up wrestling too much.

Do you people believe that Tyson would have more chances vs Marciano, or vs Frazier..?
Frazier was bigger than Marciano, but Rocky had a taste for fitness I barely have seen in a champion...

I think tyson would of beaten both with his speed and power,neither would of seen speed like his for a big man,marciano was tough but was only 13st in weight so tyson would of had 2st on him plus speed and accuracy,frazier would of caused tyson more problems i think. Its all opinion based and as we know opinions are like a holes everyone has one lol

I have multiple holes... but I still have more opinions than holes.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑02 Jan 2019, 16:28

thechump wrote: ↑02 Jan 2019, 12:16

Jacopodb wrote: ↑02 Jan 2019, 11:13

Toney vs Hagler would be nice, altho I doubt that Toney could ever cope with Hagler's pace (he would have to train harder than he ever did in his life...).

Both Jack Johnson and Liston were tough as nails, but old fighters can get too dirty for my taste, often ending up wrestling too much.

Do you people believe that Tyson would have more chances vs Marciano, or vs Frazier..?
Frazier was bigger than Marciano, but Rocky had a taste for fitness I barely have seen in a champion...

I think tyson would of beaten both with his speed and power,neither would of seen speed like his for a big man,marciano was tough but was only 13st in weight so tyson would of had 2st on him plus speed and accuracy,frazier would of caused tyson more problems i think. Its all opinion based and as we know opinions are like a holes everyone has one lol

I have multiple holes... but I still have more opinions than holes.

Haha very true i have more opinions than holes,some times i have too much of an opinion