Juan Francisco Estrada vs. Roman Gonzalez II - March 13, 2021

[bobcatbox]

In retrospect, I can see it even or even an Estrada win. Don’t agree with it at all but I can see it. Giving the 12th to Estrada was ridiculous though. Choc had him on the brink and sealed the win.

Estrada won the 1st and at least 3 of those late middle rounds. He got the better of it in 11 and i thought the 2nd round too

Thats 6 rounds.

That’s kind of my thinking on it. Again, I don’t think Estrada should’ve won but I can see a draw or 7-5 card. 9-3 is way too wide and giving him round 12 is just egregious. I had round 7 even. The second is fairly scored an Estrada round.

[margaret thatcher]

Seriously dudes, rewatch that 2nd and tell me how it's an estrada round, choc lands like double the punches and was landing some of the cleanest shots of the fight, to say that jfe had the quality just didnt happen in that round. choc wasnt getting outboxed , or outlanded, or hit with higher quality. he was both busier and more accurate. jfe looked nervous under dat chocolatey pressure

estrada moving and throwing air punches from too far away for like the first minute before choc stepped up da heat should not win him the round

[Onetimeonly]

The 2nd was wide Gonzalez.

[margaret thatcher]

exactly, no idea why anyone would think estrada won that, it was one of the bigger rounds either guy had, not a swing round at all for me

[gregregegg]

with lots of swing rounds judging scores spread can get wild, But sometimes thats ok.
But When people/commision/promoters/fighters have problems with judging they should lodge a complaint on specific rounds they though the judge clearly got wrong.

If its widely agreed to be wrong and the judge cant put up a reasonable explanation for those rounds, then you have to have a warning/suspencion/firing or ranking system and use that.

[dickbelden]

7-5---CHOCOLATITO !

[Onetimeonly]

with lots of swing rounds judging scores spread can get wild, But sometimes thats ok.
But When people/commision/promoters/fighters have problems with judging they should lodge a complaint on specific rounds they though the judge clearly got wrong.

If its widely agreed to be wrong and the judge cant put up a reasonable explanation for those rounds, then you have to have a warning/suspencion/firing or ranking system and use that.

The judge is already suspended.

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Eddie Hearn slams “terrible” scorecard in Juan Francisco Estrada-Chocolatito Gonzalez fight

“When I got in the ring, it was like 115-113,” Matchroom Boxing boss Hearn told Fino Boxing. “I thought 117-111 is terrible. I thought Chocolatito won the fight in the last round, so I thought it was all square going into the last.

“But there were so many close rounds. So 115-113 either way, you can’t really argue. I think two judges had it 115-113. But 117-111, that kind of spoils it and that enhances people saying, ‘Oh, it’s a robbery.’

“It was a close fight. It could have gone either way. But it was incredible to watch. The sixth round and the twelfth round. There were 2,593 punches thrown in the fight. It’s incredible.”

WBA has announced it will suspend Sucre

“I asked the Officials Committee to evaluate the fight although I think it is not necessary,” WBA president Gilberto Jesus Mendoza said.

“It was a great fight, very close. We have to respect ‘Gallo’ Estrada, who made a great effort. In this case the judges favoured him, however I sent a temporary suspension while Sucre is heard, because big shows and fights like this one do not deserve the kind of score he gave.

“His decision was misguided yesterday.”

“You can watch it again and again,” Hearn said of the rematch.

“Chocolatito looked like he might be tiring in the fight and then he came back. Then the 12th round was unbelievable. They deserve a huge amount of credit.”

Hearn flagged the possibility that Estrada would abandon his green belt in favour of a trilogy fight against Gonzalez.

“Fights happen that people want to see. There wasn’t one person that watched that fight that doesn’t want to see number three,” he said.

“We do have a situation where Rungvisai is the mandatory. So if Juan wants to keep his WBC title, he has to fight him. But the rematch [between Estrada and Chocolatito] is bigger than the belts.

“So it all comes down to the deal and the money. But for me – and I represent Rungvisai – it’s difficult, but I want to see the third. I felt like the 12th round for Chocolatito won him the fight.”

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CONTROVERSY RATING: 84%

Official Judging
Jesse Reyes 113 - 115
David Sutherland 115 - 113
Carlos Sucre 117 - 111
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38 scorecards in total as of this post.

6 people scored it a draw
3 people scored it for Estrada
29 people scored it for Gonalez

Only 1 person scored rd12 a 10-10
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Average scorecard

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Boxers Name	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	Total
Estrada		9.97	9.27	9.54	9.08	9.05	9.89	9.86	9.27	9.27	9.08	9.75	9.02	113.05
Gonzalez	9.02	9.75	9.45	9.91	9.97	9.10	9.13	9.72	9.78	9.91	9.29	10	115.03

Average scorecard on the FightScore app was 116-112 for Gonzalez, based on 530 scorecards

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Show the rounds that were scored for Gonzalez where more clearer than the rounds scored for Estrada.
Estrada's most clearest rounds were 1, 6, 7, 11

[Syntax Error]

Cracking fight ruined by ludicrous scoring.

It was a close fight, no doubt, but Gonzalez deserved the nod.

Judge Sucre should book an appointment with Specsavers, immediately or sooner.

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Chocolatito: I Won Both Of Our Fights; If Estrada Wants A Third Bout, We'll Do It

Roman Gonzalez believes he has already beaten Juan Francisco Estrada twice.

Boxing’s former pound-for-pound king still would welcome a third fight against his Mexican rival. Gonzalez, more commonly known by his nickname, “Chocolatito,” might have to wait to encounter Estrada a third time because Estrada is supposed to make a mandatory defense of his WBC super flyweight title next against Srisaket Sor Rungvisai.

That’s fine by the 33-year-old Gonzalez (50-3, 41 KOs), who defeated Estrada (42-3, 28 KOs) by unanimous decision in their 12-round, 108-pound championship match in November 2012 in Los Angeles.

“I won both of them,” Gonzalez told DAZN’s Chris Mannix following his 12-round, split-decision defeat to Estrada on Saturday night. “Whatever [Estrada] wants, we’ll do it. I’m very happy with my performance and the crowd enjoyed the fight.”

The COVID-restricted crowd at American Airlines Center in Dallas seemed to thoroughly enjoy their back-and-forth fight.

Estrada and Gonzalez combined to throw more punches than any two combatants in the history of 115-pound bouts tracked by CompuBox. The sport’s unofficial punch-counter credited Nicaragua’s Gonzalez for landing 74 more punches overall than Mexico’s Estrada (391-of-1,317 to 314-of-1,212).

Two of the judges still scored their action-packed clash for the 30-year-old Estrada.

Carlos Sucre stunningly scored nine rounds for Estrada (117-111), who won seven rounds according to David Sutherland (115-113). Jesse Reyes scored seven rounds for Gonzalez, 115-113.

“It was a better fight than the first one,” Gonzalez said. “I felt strong, and I felt I won. In the last round, I gave it all. It was a great round. The result is what God wanted. And I’m happy because I’m going back home to see my family.”

His victory over Gonzalez enabled Estrada to avenge all three of his professional defeats. Gonzalez, then undefeated, beat Estrada on all three scorecards in their fight for Gonzalez’s WBA light flyweight title eight years ago at the Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena (118-110, 116-112, 116-112).

“Honestly, I thought it was going to be a draw because it was such a close fight,” Estrada said regarding their rematch in his post-fight press conference. “I don’t know what the judges thought about the fight, but we were able to win. We knew it was going to be a war and, like I said, Roman Gonzalez deserves a rematch.”

Eddie Hearn, Estrada’s co-promoter, expressed interest during the post-fight press conference in putting together a rubber match between Estrada and Gonzalez. Hearn also acknowledged that Estrada’s mandated defense against Thailand’s Sor Rungvisai (50-5-1, 43 KOs) might need to occur before a third Estrada-Gonzalez bout.

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Chocolatito: Not Only Did They Rob Me of The Fight, They Robbed Nicaragua Too

Four division world champion Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez is very frustrated with the scorecards from last Saturday's fight against Juan Francisco "El Gallo" Estrada.

The boxers collided for the second time in their respective careers.

They initially met eight years ago at junior flyweight, with Gonzalez winning a twelve round unanimous decision.

This time around, Estrada came away with a twelve round split decision in Texas.

The contest was very exciting from start to finish, with most observers scoring the fight in favor of Gonzalez.

But there was controversy over the scoring - with one judge having it 115-113 for Gonzalez, and another having a tally of 115-113 for Estrada. The third score of 117-111, for Estrada, created a lot of anger. The judge in question, Carlos Sucre, was suspended by the WBA the following day.

Gonzalez is very disappointed with the outcome.

"I feel sad because not only did they rob me of the fight, but they robbed Nicaragua as well," said Chocolatito,.

“I prepared myself conscientiously for this fight. It was a sacrifice of months, where I was not close to my family and where I deprived myself of many things. I didn't do all of that for [the fight] to end like this. I think that a lot of judges in boxing have lost their honesty."

Gonzalez acknowledged that he was approached with the scenario of a trilogy fight with Estrada, but he still has to sit down with his team to discuss that possibility.

“I always consult God about my next steps. I know that Estrada and I had a great battle and the audience was delighted. But let's wait for it to happen. Currently I feel confused by how the judges scored against me," Chocolatito added.

The record of Gonzalez dropped to 50 wins with 3 losses and 41 knockouts, while Estrada's record went up to 42 wins with 3 setbacks and 28 stoppages.

[goose 5]

I had it 6-6 but it "felt" like Gonzalez won.

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Chocolatito On Suspension of Judge Carlos Sucre: Important Step Toward Justice Being Served

The two common takeaways from the March 13 rematch between Juan Francisco Estrada and Roman ‘Chocolatito’ Gonzalez were that the fight was one of the best in years and that judge Carlos Sucre has no business working on that level.

Gonzalez came up just short in his WBC/WBA junior bantamweight title unification clash with Estrada (also the reigning lineal champion), dropping a 12-round split decision in their memorable war at American Airlines Center in Dallas, Texas. The one negative to come from the night was the horrendous scorecard turned in by judge Sucre, who had the bout 117-111 in favor of Estrada.

Gonzalez claimed a 115-113 win on the card of judge Jesse Reyes, while David Sutherland had the same score in favor of Estrada.

Most observers felt that Gonzalez deserved the nod, to the point of struggling to come to grips with Sutherland’s final score. Nobody was in agreement with judge Sucre’s view of the night, not even the WBA who issued an immediate suspension preventing the Florida-based official from working any more of its sanctioned fights pending further investigation.

“I applaud the decision to suspend the judge,” Gonzalez noted during a recent conference call. “It is an important step toward justice being served.”

Gonzalez spoke with reporters about that bout as well as his role in preparing twin junior featherweight prospects Eduado and Leonardo Baez prepare for separate bouts this Thursday.

Eduardo Baez (18-1-2, 6 KOs) appears on NBC Sports Network’s Ring City USA series for the second time, once again facing an unbeaten prospect as he squares off with Cidra, Puerto Rico’s Abimael Ortiz (8-0-1, 4 KOs) at Plaza del Quinto Centenario in San Juan. His identical twin, Leonardo Baez (18-3, 9 KOs) enters a dangerous showdown with Ponce’s unbeaten knockout artist Carlos Caraballo (13-0, 13 KOs). Both bouts are scheduled for eight rounds.

Gonzalez was able to spend time in camp with the Baez brothers, their having helped him prepare for Estrada while he in turn did his part to get them ready for this week’s pair of televised bouts.

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Estrada-Chocolatito Rematch Generates $227,765 Live Gate From 2,323 Tickets Sold

The fans who chose to witness in person the memorable rematch between Juan Francisco Estrada and Roman ‘Chocolatito’ Gonzalez were treated to one of the best fights since the pandemic.

The March 13 junior bantamweight championship clash produced a live gate of $227,765 from 2,323 tickets sold at American Airlines Center in Dallas, Texas. Another 136 complimentary tickets were issued for the DAZN-streamed event according to the final promoter tax report submitted to the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation (TDLR), a copy of which has been obtained by Boxing Scene.

As has been the case with all Texas combat sports events since last October, tickets were sold in compliance with social distancing measures. Less than 5,000 tickets were made available to the public as a result, with all fans required to wear masks and comply with CDC (Center for Disease Control and Prevention) guidelines.

Estrada (42-3, 28KOs) prevailed by split decision in their unforgettable 12-round sequel, claiming Gonzalez’s WBA junior bantamweight title while retaining his WBC strap and lineal championship. The outcome allowed Estrada to avenge an eight-plus year-old loss to Nicaragua’s Gonzalez (50-3, 41KOs), who claimed a 12-round unanimous decision in their equally breathtaking Nov. 2012 junior flyweight war at the now defunct Los Angeles (California) Memorial Sports Arena.

The bout marked the first headliner in Texas for either boxer and the first fight overall in-state for the 30-year-old Estrada, who has predominantly fought in his home country of Mexico. His previous six stateside appearances have all taken place in Southern California.

Gonzalez’s lone other fight in Texas came last February, entering his second junior bantamweight title reign following a 9th round knockout of unbeaten Kal Yafai. The throwback performance took place as the chief support to a welterweight clash between Mikey Garcia and Jessie Vargas, with the show airing live on DAZN from The Ford Center at The Star in nearby Frisco, Texas.

Despite the modest turnout, the March 13 show will likely remain the best remembered among the seven high-profile events to take place in Texas since the pandemic. The card took place at the same venue which hosted the Jan. 2 interim lightweight title fight between Ryan García and England’s Luke Campbell (20-4, 16KOs). García claimed an off-the-canvas 7th round knockout, while testing his box office appeal far from his home base in Victorville, California. The event drew a live gate of $353,835 from 4,218 tickets sold.

Texas has remained among the few states to permit fans in attendance during the global health crisis, becoming boxing’s most-sought region as a result. The region hosted the first major U.S. show with fans in attendance, coming in an Oct. 31st Showtime Pay-Per-View event. Rising superstar Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis (24-0, 23KOs) headlined the show, scoring a highlight reel 6th round knockout of Leo Santa Cruz atop a card which generated $1,466,475 from 7,892 tickets sold at Alamodome in San Antonio.

The best-selling event to take place since the pandemic was produced by the state’s favorite son, Errol Spence Jr. The unbeaten, unified WBC/IBF welterweight titlist returned from a 14-plus month layoff—largely spent recovering from injuries sustained in a horrific Oct. 2019 car crash—to soundly outpoint former two-division champion Danny Garcia. The feat took place atop a Dec. 5th Fox Sports Pay-Per-View Event from AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas. The show produced a live gate of $2,615,075 from 14,508 tickets sold.

Both figures eclipsed the state’s final show of 2020, which saw Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez (55-1-2, 37KOs) become a four-division champion following a 12-round shutout of unbeaten Callum Smith to claim the WBC/WBA super middleweight titles. The Dec. 19th DAZN event generated $2,303,100 from 11,213 tickets sold at Alamodome.

Alvarez’s next fight in Texas threatens to break the state’s all-time combat sports box-office mark. The Mexican superstar faces England’s Billy Joe Saunders (30-0, 14KOs) on May 8 at AT&T Stadium. The entire venue will be made available for public ticket sales, in light of Gov. Greg Abbott announcing earlier this month that the state will allow businesses to operate at 100% capacity while lifting the mask mandate.

The most recent major boxing event to hit Texas came one week after Estrada-Gonzalez. Grand Prairie’s Vergil Ortiz (17-0, 17KOs) maintained his perfect knockout-to-win ratio with a 7th round stoppage of Dallas’ Maurice Hooker live on DAZN this past Saturday from Dickies Arena in nearby Fort Worth, Texas. Final ticket sales have not yet been made available, as promoters are permitted up to 10 days to return such figures to the state.

[Thomastearns]

"The one negative to come from the night was the horrendous scorecard turned in by judge Sucre, who had the bout 117-111 in favor of Estrada.

Gonzalez claimed a 115-113 win on the card of judge Jesse Reyes, while David Sutherland had the same score in favor of Estrada.

Most observers felt that Gonzalez deserved the nod, to the point of struggling to come to grips with Sutherland’s final score. Nobody was in agreement with judge Sucre’s view of the night, not even the WBA who issued an immediate suspension preventing the Florida-based official from working any more of its sanctioned fights pending further investigation."

“I applaud the decision to suspend the judge,” Gonzalez noted during a recent conference call. “It is an important step toward justice being served.”



Chocolatito took the defeat really well. It can't happen but just imagine if someone like Wilder, Canelo or Crawford had been on the end of that scandalous card?

So Judge Carlos Sucre gets a temporary suspension from the WBA!

Is that it? An almost meaningless sanction?

Sucre should be suspended for life.

By ALL of the alphabets.

Doesn't really matter whether it's corruption or it's incompetence.

And he's far from the only one.

[ironbeard]

Finally got to see this. I do not like to use the term “robbed” but I will say with total confidence that Estrada was gifted that decision. Is was by no means a blowout but it was 115-113 Chocolatito for me, and that was generous to Estrada.

117-111 Estrada?

[margaret thatcher]

Finally got to see this. I do not like to use the term “robbed” but I will say with total confidence that Estrada was gifted that decision. Is was by no means a blowout but it was 115-113 Chocolatito for me, and that was generous to Estrada.

117-111 Estrada?

ya choc won it 8-4 for me, defo thought he earned that win