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Posted: **08 May 2022, 11:27**

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:25
DrDuke wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:20
oogiebe wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:16 Haven't seen the fight, and now I'm curious if:
1 - Bivol just too big
2 - Alvarez had an off night
3 - Bivol better than i had thought
4 - Some mix of first 3.

Would love to hear your opinions as I'm not sure I care to sit through the fight.
3
Just watch the highlights on DAZN’s YouTube channel.

You don't get the flavor of the entire bout from highlights.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 11:29**

if beef boi and fat Eddie really think they actually won the fight and the judges didn't score in Canelo's favor... well, WHAT TYE ACTUAL FVCK!!!

it's mindboggling.

their delusion is beyond description.

they act like they don't know that the judges were in their pocket and did fvckin' absolutely everything to fvck bivol over. insane!

Posted: **08 May 2022, 11:30**

dickbelden wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 09:03 had bivol winning all 12 rounds---any1 agree?

I didn't get to watch it until 4 am and new the results by then.
But I scored it 11-1 giving Canelo only the 9th.
I may have scored another round or 2 for Canelo if I didn't know results but I doubt it

Posted: **08 May 2022, 12:22**

dickbelden wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 09:03 had bivol winning all 12 rounds---any1 agree?

And I see that Bivol won by margins of 115-113 across the board. So it takes winning every round almost to eke out a reasonably close decision over Canelo

Posted: **08 May 2022, 12:25**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:30
dickbelden wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 09:03 had bivol winning all 12 rounds---any1 agree?
I didn't get to watch it until 4 am and new the results by then.
But I scored it 11-1 giving Canelo only the 9th.
I may have scored another round or 2 for Canelo if I didn't know results but I doubt it

I picked Bivol to win, but honestly didn't think he would. It was a matter of wishful thinking more than anything. Thought he'd lose on the cards. I agree with 11-1 or 12-0. Bivol fought the perfect fight, and was better than I thought. I have my doubts Canelo goes through with the rematch.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 14:02**

Adalaide Byrd wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 00:42
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 00:41 Judges scorecards were close to my own (barring one round).

the right man won.
you had a great card

Posted: **08 May 2022, 14:47**

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 14:02
Adalaide Byrd wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 00:42
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 00:41 Judges scorecards were close to my own (barring one round).

the right man won.
you had a great card

Posted: **08 May 2022, 14:48**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 14:47
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 14:02
Adalaide Byrd wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 00:42

you had a great card

Seriously brilliant reponse!

Posted: **08 May 2022, 15:15**

The first 5 rounds were relatively close but bivol looked to me to win all of them. That all 3 judges gave all of the first 4 to canelo is criminal and why this is to date the only fight ive watched all year

Canelo looked tired from round 3 on. His new diet was a disaster

Bivol jabbed like kovalev but unlike kovalev would throw combinations and push canelo back.

When canelo landed bombs bivol wasnt bothered whatsoever

Only clear canelo round was rd 9

Posted: **08 May 2022, 15:28**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:30
dickbelden wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 09:03 had bivol winning all 12 rounds---any1 agree?
I didn't get to watch it until 4 am and new the results by then.
But I scored it 11-1 giving Canelo only the 9th.
I may have scored another round or 2 for Canelo if I didn't know results but I doubt it

You have to give Canelo the 9th. It was a clear one.
I also gave him one of the first 4 which were so close anyway. He just had eye catching Vs volume in one of them.
So 10-2.
You could maybe argue another of the first 4 making it 9-3 but I struggle to see any more than that.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 15:31**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 09:08
dickbelden wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 09:03 had bivol winning all 12 rounds---any1 agree?
Can’t argue with that.

But I think rd9 was a clear Canelo round.

The ONLY clear round he won.

I gave 1 round to Canelo.But yeah 12 round to Bivol could've been good too.
.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 15:33**

I thought the absolute stretch was 8 to 4

9 to 3 most likely or 10 to 2

11 to 1 not unreasonable

Finding 5 or 6 rounds for canelo is why boxing isnt a serious sport

Posted: **08 May 2022, 15:33**

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:16 Haven't seen the fight, and now I'm curious if:
1 - Bivol just too big
2 - Alvarez had an off night
3 - Bivol better than i had thought
4 - Some mix of first 3.

Would love to hear your opinions as I'm not sure I care to sit through the fight.

Bivol gave a clinic of boxing.Obviously judges didn't like it.....

Posted: **08 May 2022, 15:43**

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:27
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:25
DrDuke wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:20

3
Just watch the highlights on DAZN’s YouTube channel.
You don't get the flavor of the entire bout from highlights.

Bivol is a classy operator who fought well, had a size advantage, drastic stamina advantage, and canelos power didnt bother him at all

Canelo landed some big rights and uppercuts early. Bivol responded with combinations and a busy jab. Anelo looked very frustrated and tired early on

Posted: **08 May 2022, 15:47**

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 15:43
oogiebe wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:27
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:25

Just watch the highlights on DAZN’s YouTube channel.
You don't get the flavor of the entire bout from highlights.
Bivol is a classy operator who fought well, had a size advantage, drastic stamina advantage, and canelos power didnt bother him at all

Canelo landed some big rights and uppercuts early. Bivol responded with combinations and a busy jab. Anelo looked very frustrated and tired early on

Thanks Jeff - what I noticed through limited highlights was Canelo being too squared up which made Bivol's jab more effective as it threw him off balance, forcing him to spend a whole lotta time re-setting up. Also bivol's jab and ability to 'change speeds' seemed to screw up Canelo's timing even more. By the latter half of the fight, Alvarez was throwing wild bombs hoping to land anywhere with Bivol tatooing him with counters. Sounds like the scores were a wee bit off on this one.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 16:31**

lazboy wrote: ↑07 May 2022, 22:46 Love would be very frustrating to fight and he’s frustrating to watch. Negative fighter.

Well said! I could not stand to watch his assuming an attitude. Love will have his most entertaining fight on the night he gets KO'

d.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 17:32**

Our sport is in so much trouble.

The fact the correct man had is arm raised by the ref after the judges "scoring" in no way detracts from the fact the fix was planned until Bivol's performance made it impossible.

3 score cards exactly the same? Fishy AF.

We need the crooks out of boxing....we should start with those 3 "judges".

Posted: **08 May 2022, 18:49**

i thought canelo only won 1 clear round, think it was the 9th? he seemed to give a last hurrah in that round (well, it was really his only hurrah lol) and then had little left after. bivol did little that round and seemed to intentionally let canelo use up energy

i also edged him an early round, and ended with 10-2....but can see as wide as 11-1

7-5 is waaay too close and all 3 cards being identical is defo shady

Posted: **08 May 2022, 18:53**

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:16 Haven't seen the fight, and now I'm curious if:
1 - Bivol just too big
2 - Alvarez had an off night
3 - Bivol better than i had thought
4 - Some mix of first 3.

Would love to hear your opinions as I'm not sure I care to sit through the fight.

bivol was just really really skillful, had the right gameplan and stuck to it, and also is the wrong style for canelo to beat

it wasnt a size based 'oh he just was too big and strong' performance where a clearly superior fighter is just outmuscled or overpwered. bivol had canelo swinging and missing and hitting gloves all night, which wasnt due to size. bivol was also the more accurate puncher too and had more stamina.

if size came into it, it was that bivol being a lhw had no problem with the shots that canelo did land , and when he landed he had canelo looking more stung/worried than i'd seen before. not rocked, but an 'oh shit' kind of surprise looked. it was a rare fight where canelo looked a bit gun shy to me

bivol also stepped up his offence more than usual, especially in the last 3 rounds. he was mauling canelo on the ropes at times

canelo landed enough uppercuts so that it wasnt quite as dominant as floyd's win over him, but it was the next level of dominance from that imo.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 19:08**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 18:53
oogiebe wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:16 Haven't seen the fight, and now I'm curious if:
1 - Bivol just too big
2 - Alvarez had an off night
3 - Bivol better than i had thought
4 - Some mix of first 3.

Would love to hear your opinions as I'm not sure I care to sit through the fight.
bivol was just really really skillful, had the right gameplan and stuck to it, and also is the wrong style for canelo to beat

it wasnt a size based 'oh he just was too big and strong' performance where a clearly superior fighter is just outmuscled or overpwered. bivol had canelo swinging and missing and hitting gloves all night, which wasnt due to size. bivol was also the more accurate puncher too and had more stamina.

if size came into it, it was that bivol being a lhw had no problem with the shots that canelo did land , and when he landed he had canelo looking more stung/worried than i'd seen before. not rocked, but an 'oh shit' kind of surprise looked. it was a rare fight where canelo looked a bit gun shy to me

bivol also stepped up his offence more than usual, especially in the last 3 rounds. he was mauling canelo on the ropes at times

canelo landed enough uppercuts so that it wasnt quite as dominant as floyd's win over him, but it was the next level of dominance from that imo.

Canelo landed some big looking shots early but i gave those rounds to bivol- bivols shots were hurting canelo not vice versa

I thiught canelo would be a le to outmuscle him. He couldn't. I thought canelo would lose to beterbiev and still do.

If im canelo i whup ggg and retire

Posted: **08 May 2022, 19:39**

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:08
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 18:53
oogiebe wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 11:16 Haven't seen the fight, and now I'm curious if:
1 - Bivol just too big
2 - Alvarez had an off night
3 - Bivol better than i had thought
4 - Some mix of first 3.

Would love to hear your opinions as I'm not sure I care to sit through the fight.
bivol was just really really skillful, had the right gameplan and stuck to it, and also is the wrong style for canelo to beat

it wasnt a size based 'oh he just was too big and strong' performance where a clearly superior fighter is just outmuscled or overpwered. bivol had canelo swinging and missing and hitting gloves all night, which wasnt due to size. bivol was also the more accurate puncher too and had more stamina.

if size came into it, it was that bivol being a lhw had no problem with the shots that canelo did land , and when he landed he had canelo looking more stung/worried than i'd seen before. not rocked, but an 'oh shit' kind of surprise looked. it was a rare fight where canelo looked a bit gun shy to me

bivol also stepped up his offence more than usual, especially in the last 3 rounds. he was mauling canelo on the ropes at times

canelo landed enough uppercuts so that it wasnt quite as dominant as floyd's win over him, but it was the next level of dominance from that imo.
Canelo landed some big looking shots early but i gave those rounds to bivol- bivols shots were hurting canelo not vice versa

I thiught canelo would be a le to outmuscle him. He couldn't. I thought canelo would lose to beterbiev and still do.

If im canelo i whup ggg and retire

He’s 31 and in prime form. It's just that LHW is a step too far, heck, he is a small SMW for goodness sake.
And LHW is only a step too far at the very pointy end. He could make a career like Zurdo at LHW knocking over paper prospects until he retires. But he took on the second best champ and lost.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 19:41**

KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:39
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:08
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 18:53

bivol was just really really skillful, had the right gameplan and stuck to it, and also is the wrong style for canelo to beat

it wasnt a size based 'oh he just was too big and strong' performance where a clearly superior fighter is just outmuscled or overpwered. bivol had canelo swinging and missing and hitting gloves all night, which wasnt due to size. bivol was also the more accurate puncher too and had more stamina.

if size came into it, it was that bivol being a lhw had no problem with the shots that canelo did land , and when he landed he had canelo looking more stung/worried than i'd seen before. not rocked, but an 'oh shit' kind of surprise looked. it was a rare fight where canelo looked a bit gun shy to me

bivol also stepped up his offence more than usual, especially in the last 3 rounds. he was mauling canelo on the ropes at times

canelo landed enough uppercuts so that it wasnt quite as dominant as floyd's win over him, but it was the next level of dominance from that imo.
Canelo landed some big looking shots early but i gave those rounds to bivol- bivols shots were hurting canelo not vice versa

I thiught canelo would be a le to outmuscle him. He couldn't. I thought canelo would lose to beterbiev and still do.

If im canelo i whup ggg and retire
He’s 31 and in prime form. It's just that LHW is a step too far, heck, he is a small SMW for goodness sake.
And LHW is only a step too far at the very pointy end. He could make a career like Zurdo at LHW knocking over paper prospects until he retires. But he took on the second best champ and lost.

Hes fought a lot of rounds at a high level for many years. That never ends well. Age doesnt matter ring age does.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 19:43**

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:41
KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:39
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:08

Canelo landed some big looking shots early but i gave those rounds to bivol- bivols shots were hurting canelo not vice versa

I thiught canelo would be a le to outmuscle him. He couldn't. I thought canelo would lose to beterbiev and still do.

If im canelo i whup ggg and retire
He’s 31 and in prime form. It's just that LHW is a step too far, heck, he is a small SMW for goodness sake.
And LHW is only a step too far at the very pointy end. He could make a career like Zurdo at LHW knocking over paper prospects until he retires. But he took on the second best champ and lost.
Hes fought a lot of rounds at a high level for many years. That never ends well. Age doesnt matter ring age does.

He loves to fight.
It sure ain't the money.
Even if he does avoid high risk fights, still gotta give him a pass based on what he has achieved - I just won't pay for it.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 19:49**

KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:43
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:41
KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:39
He’s 31 and in prime form. It's just that LHW is a step too far, heck, he is a small SMW for goodness sake.
And LHW is only a step too far at the very pointy end. He could make a career like Zurdo at LHW knocking over paper prospects until he retires. But he took on the second best champ and lost.
Hes fought a lot of rounds at a high level for many years. That never ends well. Age doesnt matter ring age does.
He loves to fight.
It sure ain't the money.
Even if he does avoid high risk fights, still gotta give him a pass based on what he has achieved - I just won't pay for it.

Hes been fighting top level for about a decade and has fought a lot of rounds - 24 with ggg, 12 bivol, 12 jacobs, 12 cotto, 12 mayweather, 12 trout..... list goes on

Im saying id be plotting my exit if i were him its the smart thing to do

He will definitely keep foghting though. Most do

Posted: **08 May 2022, 20:04**

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:49
KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:43
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:41

Hes fought a lot of rounds at a high level for many years. That never ends well. Age doesnt matter ring age does.
He loves to fight.
It sure ain't the money.
Even if he does avoid high risk fights, still gotta give him a pass based on what he has achieved - I just won't pay for it.
Hes been fighting top level for about a decade and has fought a lot of rounds - 24 with ggg, 12 bivol, 12 jacobs, 12 cotto, 12 mayweather, 12 trout..... list goes on

Im saying id be plotting my exit if i were him its the smart thing to do

He will definitely keep foghting though. Most do

I agree, lot of top level stuff. But then it is only the modern era guys that retire after 40 or less fights. Look back 50 years to guys doing 100+ 15 round fights...

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