1970-1977 Middleweight Division The Monzon Era

[scorpio83]

Il Duce, how what kind of style, boxing skills, left jab, punching power and style of attack that Tony Mundine used?

[scorpio83]

Thanks Il Duce I appreciate it. You know compare Mundine's durability, defense and chin with "Bad" Bennie who had the better durability, defense and chin. "Bad" Bennie Briscoe held the distinction for beating the two fathers of world champions, "Dynamite" Billy Douglas whose son James "Buster" Douglas would ended up winning the world heavyweight title by upsetting Mike Tyson and Tony Mundine's son Anthony would ended up winning the super middleweight title.

[scorpio83]

Did you post about Carlos Monzon battering Jose Napoles in a one-sided fight on February 9, 1974? If not, please give me the small details of that fight where Napoles retired in 7 rounds. Thanks.

[elmersalsa]

The great Carlos Monzon was too big for Mantequilla. The Shotgun ("La Escopeta") Monzon used all his physical advantages for this fight.

[BoxBuzz]

Much as I like that group of quotes and 4 quotes = a gallon.

I still have to ask for sources.

I'd love to have proof that Briscoe praised Monzon thusly. But my guess is that Il Duce is just tryin make his bestest buddy (that would be ME) happy, this due to our close working relationship.

[BoxBuzz]

So these things were said by virtue of your "eye on the ball of boxing"?

Heck of a source be that!

[scorpio83]

Even though I said that I left out on how good Jose Napoles was because he was a great welterweight champion, but I would like to know what was his style. Was he a stylist boxer-puncher? Also, how good was his skill, left jab, speed, power, left hook, right hand, body attack, footwork, stamina, defense and chin? Thanks.

[scorpio83]

Back to "Bad" Bennie Briscoe I would please like to know how good was his skills, left jab, speed, power, left hook, right hand, body attack, footwork, stamina, defense and chin? Thanks.

[scorpio83]

Could you please tell me how good Emile Griffith was with his skills, left jab, left hook, right hand, power punch, power, speed, body attack, strength, stamina, durability, footwork, ring general, defense and chin?

[Tomasino]

Could you please tell me how good Emile Griffith was with his skills, left jab, left hook, right hand, power punch, power, speed, body attack, strength, stamina, durability, footwork, ring general, defense and chin?

[scorpio83]

Il Duce, would you please tell me how good Emile Griffith was that I was asking about before you summarize the title fight between Monzon and Napoles?

[Giancarlo]

Il Duce, would you please tell me how good Emile Griffith was that I was asking about before you summarize the title fight between Monzon and Napoles?

[scorpio83]

Thanks Il Duce I appreciate it and continue posting the Monzon vs. Napoles fight.

[BoxBuzz]

Duce could you publish your own super accurate and certified "goodness" scale perhaps based on a mathematical formula so we could know for certain just how much "goodness" any specific fighter in history actually possessed?


Thanks in advance for your assured cooperation in this matter.

[elmersalsa]

I have seen the fight again, and it was a MASSACRE. I mean, there was nothing that the great Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles could do. If he attack full force, he would get tied up. If he tried to box, the great Carlos Monzon would put that long left jab in his face. And if he tried to counter punch, Monzon's right hand got in there first before Mantequilla knew it. I mean, King Carlos was exceptional. The best middleweight ever. He was not quick. He did not had great footwork, but he had that awareness, logic and cleverness. Maybe one of the most clever fighters that ever been inside the ring. He knew what he was doing in that ring. Nothing bothers him. A cool assassin. I don't see any other middleweight in history beating him. You could bring any of them: Robinson, Greb, Hopkins, or Hagler. Monzon would beat them all.

He was a thinking's man's fighter. Was mentally strong as well as physical strong. What a a fighter.

The fight was well stopped. Mantequilla could not withstand further punishment. It was an art of beautiful boxing cleverness by The Shotgun.

[scorpio83]

elmersala, Napoles have no business fighting Monzon who was two divisions higher weight class than the great welterweight champion. Napoles should have challenged for the junior middleweight title, but instead he took a big paycheck to fight Monzon because he was the bigger name than champions who were 1 division lower than him.

[bodyblow999]

I have seen the fight again, and it was a MASSACRE. I mean, there was nothing that the great Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles could do. If he attack full force, he would get tied up. If he tried to box, the great Carlos Monzon would put that long left jab in his face. And if he tried to counter punch, Monzon's right hand got in there first before Mantequilla knew it. I mean, King Carlos was exceptional. The best middleweight ever. He was not quick. He did not had great footwork, but he had that awareness, logic and cleverness. Maybe one of the most clever fighters that ever been inside the ring. He knew what he was doing in that ring. Nothing bothers him. A cool assassin. I don't see any other middleweight in history beating him. You could bring any of them: Robinson, Greb, Hopkins, or Hagler. Monzon would beat them all.

He was a thinking's man's fighter. Was mentally strong as well as physical strong. What a a fighter.

The fight was well stopped. Mantequilla could not withstand further punishment. It was an art of beautiful boxing cleverness by The Shotgun.

If a near light heavyweight beating a blown up lightweight is proof of greatness then Monzon was truly great the night he beat Napoles. Otherwise it was just a mismatch.

[giacomino]

I have seen the fight again, and it was a MASSACRE. I mean, there was nothing that the great Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles could do. If he attack full force, he would get tied up. If he tried to box, the great Carlos Monzon would put that long left jab in his face. And if he tried to counter punch, Monzon's right hand got in there first before Mantequilla knew it. I mean, King Carlos was exceptional. The best middleweight ever. He was not quick. He did not had great footwork, but he had that awareness, logic and cleverness. Maybe one of the most clever fighters that ever been inside the ring. He knew what he was doing in that ring. Nothing bothers him. A cool assassin. I don't see any other middleweight in history beating him. You could bring any of them: Robinson, Greb, Hopkins, or Hagler. Monzon would beat them all.

He was a thinking's man's fighter. Was mentally strong as well as physical strong. What a a fighter.

The fight was well stopped. Mantequilla could not withstand further punishment. It was an art of beautiful boxing cleverness by The Shotgun.

If a near light heavyweight beating a blown up lightweight is proof of greatness then Monzon was truly great the night he beat Napoles. Otherwise it was just a mismatch.

Yes, a six-pound weight difference is the same as a "blown-up lightweight" fighting a light heavyweight.
Kinda hard to declare Napoles a "blown up lightweight" when he'd been welterweight champion for five or six years and had beaten the best at 147. Anyone who has seen the fight can see Monzon had a natural size advantage, but it wasn't as much as in Chavez vs Martinez and Martinez won 11 rounds vs Jr.

[elmersalsa]

It seems to me that the great Carlos Monzon was too big for any other middleweight. I cannot see no other middleweight beating him. He was clever, cool under pressure and could beat you with his mind, too. Like the greats Sugar Ray Leonard and Gene Tunney, it was one of his greatest assets: Using the mind in the ring. But the difference between him with Tunney and Leonard, was that he was not as quick as those guys, but he could use all of his physical attributes and knew how to pace himself.

[scorpio83]

Il Duce, tell me about the end of the fight.

[elmersalsa]

Carlos Monzon - Jose Napoles

Aftermath

"Unimpressive Domination"

Though Carlos Monzon won, his performance was 'not' praised by the Boxing Press.

Say what???

[scorpio83]

Why did Tony Mundine got the title shot against Monzon despite his knockout loss to "Bad" Bennie Briscoe, who instead fought Rodrigo Valdez for the vacant WBC Middleweight Title?

[scorpio83]

Thanks Il Duce, it does make sense why Mundine got the title shot against Monzon by winning 3 fights after losing to "Bad" Bennie Briscoe. You know a prime middleweight "Bad" Bennie Briscoe would have been middleweight champion in today division and even walking through GGG's punches and making him looked "Bad". Would you agree?

[BoxBuzz]

Lot of info on Monzon....gotta hand it to ya, Ducelberg, you do know how to dig!

Some know pay dirt, from donkey dumplings. So I'd leave that part to others.

But never put down that shovel!

[scorpio83]

I disagreed Il Duce. If you say that Bennie was a small middleweight standing at 5'8", then Harry Greb, Tony Zale, Marcel Cerdan, Jake La Motta, Gene Fullmer and Dick Tiger were small middleweights as well because they stood at the same height as Briscoe.

Most of the fans including me acknowledged "Bad" Bennie as an accomplishment middleweight who fought nearly everybody in his era and duck no one. Bennie outgrew the junior middleweight division and was more comfortable in the middleweight division. He might have weight problems struggling to make the junior middleweight limit in the 60s and would be weight drained in 1973. Also, he might have not being interested in the 154 lb title. I respect your opinion and I will not change your opinion. Thanks.