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tony1234 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 13:52 I wonder what the odds are of this actually taking place ? Or Ruiz gets stripped of one of the belts or more and Joshua fights TBA at Wembley in front of his adoring fans and millions watching on PPV ?

Coco wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 14:02 If Ruiz refused to fight Hearn could sue him which would take a while.
In the meantime Ruiz could defend his belts and make a fortune.
Ruiz could also defuse the situation by giving up one of the belts so that TBA, maybe Price could fight AJ for the vacant belt.
Ruiz could then have a rematch on his own terms down the line.
With PBC behind him he could pretty much do what he likes.
If Ruiz really had no say in the rematch it would be in Cardiff.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 14:35

Coco wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 14:02 If Ruiz refused to fight Hearn could sue him which would take a while.
In the meantime Ruiz could defend his belts and make a fortune.
Ruiz could also defuse the situation by giving up one of the belts so that TBA, maybe Price could fight AJ for the vacant belt.
Ruiz could then have a rematch on his own terms down the line.
With PBC behind him he could pretty much do what he likes.
If Ruiz really had no say in the rematch it would be in Cardiff.

Who is Ruiz gonna fight where he can make $9m+?? Apart from AJ, Wilder, Fury?

Unless he signs a huge contract with someone.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 14:43 He signed the rematch clause, it's not simple as pie to just do whatever the hell he wants. Al Haymon isnt god.

Coco wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 14:02 If Ruiz refused to fight Hearn could sue him which would take a while.
In the meantime Ruiz could defend his belts and make a fortune.
Ruiz could also defuse the situation by giving up one of the belts so that TBA, maybe Price could fight AJ for the vacant belt.
Ruiz could then have a rematch on his own terms down the line.
With PBC behind him he could pretty much do what he likes.
If Ruiz really had no say in the rematch it would be in Cardiff.

Coco wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 14:41

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 14:35

Who is Ruiz gonna fight where he can make $9m+?? Apart from AJ, Wilder, Fury?

Unless he signs a huge contract with someone.

I was under the impression Hearn was giving him much less for the rematch?
Also hanging on to the belt is a moneymaker, defences, endorsements etc
And look who Fury is fighting for the big bucks.
All heavyweight champs can generate a lot of money and this is very much the case in Mexico, look at Canelos popularity and earnings.

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 13:26

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 03:42

he’s only doing this to give Ruiz who has no say a neutral venue, that’s the kind of good guy he is, it has absolutely nothing to do with lining his own pockets.

We will see. I think TFKoB will go there in the end.

What I really despise is the glossing over of what Saudi Arabia is and what it represents. It is a totalitarian monarchy that controls the most important Muslim sites on Earth. They represent Neo-Feudalism.

Events like this normalize and legitimize their despicable system.

If you don’t take the money someone else will though ?

UFC/WWE/Concerts etc.....they are all going there for the cash.

Someone else will go next after Matchroom because they’ll see the $$$$ and let them go 1st and take the flak

3132DW wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 15:14

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 13:26
We will see. I think TFKoB will go there in the end.

What I really despise is the glossing over of what Saudi Arabia is and what it represents. It is a totalitarian monarchy that controls the most important Muslim sites on Earth. They represent Neo-Feudalism.

Events like this normalize and legitimize their despicable system.

If you don’t take the money someone else will though ?

UFC/WWE/Concerts etc.....they are all going there for the cash.

Someone else will go next after Matchroom because they’ll see the $$$$ and let them go 1st and take the flak.

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 16:26

3132DW wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 15:14

If you don’t take the money someone else will though ?

UFC/WWE/Concerts etc.....they are all going there for the cash.

Someone else will go next after Matchroom because they’ll see the $$$$ and let them go 1st and take the flak.

Some people have morals, just because others have been greedy pudenda, doesn’t mean they have to be, terrible business IMO, damages AJ’s rep in a huge way for a few extra quid, maybe it’s a cash out and Hearn thinks he’ll get smokes again?

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 15:23

If you don’t take the money someone else will though ?

UFC/WWE/Concerts etc.....they are all going there for the cash.

Someone else will go next after Matchroom because they’ll see the $$$$ and let them go 1st and take the flak

I understand that. I disagree with all of it. There are more important things than selling to the most vile / highest bidder.

3132DW wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 16:33

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 16:26
Some people have morals, just because others have been greedy pudenda, doesn’t mean they have to be, terrible business IMO, damages AJ’s rep in a huge way for a few extra quid, maybe it’s a cash out and Hearn thinks he’ll get smokes again?

It’s either Cash Out for AJ or something was wrong - and he thinks he wins easily this time.

AJ makes decision to fight in SA - Hearn gives him the options/monies - he’s there to offer options and AJ Makes the call.

It’s nothing to do with Hearn making call - all down AJ.

liamlion wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 16:40
I don’t believe that.

Hearn is driving this big time. Watch any AJ interview and he often says he does what his team says. Hearn is the sharp businessman. Sure AJ signs it all off but he is subservient to the ambitions of Hearn who is pushing hard for control of the heavyweight division.

3132DW wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 16:35

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 15:23

I understand that. I disagree with all of it. There are more important things than selling to the most vile / highest bidder.

Then Qatar/Dubai and UAE all wanted the fight as well - They are all just as bad but portray themselves as more “Western” orientated.

Same all over the World ain’t it - Russia/China etc....they are all as corrupt and as bad as Saudi Arabia.

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 18:54

3132DW wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 16:35

Then Qatar/Dubai and UAE all wanted the fight as well - They are all just as bad but portray themselves as more “Western” orientated.

Same all over the World ain’t it - Russia/China etc....they are all as corrupt and as bad as Saudi Arabia.

No they are not “all as corrupt and as bad as Saudi Arabia.”

3132DW wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 19:03

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 18:54
No they are not “all as corrupt and as bad as Saudi Arabia.”

Aye they are - everyone is as bent as they come be it death penalty/one family with 99% of wealth and everyone else potless.

Everyone equally as corrupt as Saudi Arabia - not that I’m saying that’s a great place but there is many places just as bad.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 14:43 He signed the rematch clause, it's not simple as pie to just do whatever the hell he wants. Al Haymon isnt god.

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 19:16

3132DW wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 19:03

Aye they are - everyone is as bent as they come be it death penalty/one family with 99% of wealth and everyone else potless.

Everyone equally as corrupt as Saudi Arabia - not that I’m saying that’s a great place but there is many places just as bad.

Russia and China are not as bad. There are many places that are not as bad.

3132DW wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 01:44

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 19:16
Russia and China are not as bad. There are many places that are not as bad.

China executes more people than Saudi Arabia -they don’t even know how many as it’s a closed shop. Do you remember Tanks running over people in China ?

Look at Hong Kong with the Chinese - that’ll be next as troops get closer to the HK border.