Billy Joe Saunders v Eubank Jnr

[crusader]

Would like the 72 members that voted on a Eubank Jnr by KO to stand up an elaborate on their choice

Despite the mediocre opposition I think he clearly displayed some talent (e.g. very fast hands) and I assume that many people put faith him inheriting the abilities that took his father so far. I was surprised at how many were backing him over a rising opponent who was hugely more accomplished and experienced than him, but I don't think those people's predictions were baseless.

[tobyh5]

Would like the 72 members that voted on a Eubank Jnr by KO to stand up an elaborate on their choice

Despite the mediocre opposition I think he clearly displayed some talent (e.g. very fast hands) and I assume that many people put faith him inheriting the abilities that took his father so far. I was surprised at how many were backing him over a rising opponent who was hugely more accomplished and experienced than him, but I don't think those people's predictions were baseless.

Agree. I think the closeness of the fight legitimises predictions for Eubank as on paper, it should have almost been a mismatch if you took the name "Eubank" out of it

[lefty]

Would like the 72 members that voted on a Eubank Jnr by KO to stand up an elaborate on their choice

Despite the mediocre opposition I think he clearly displayed some talent (e.g. very fast hands) and I assume that many people put faith him inheriting the abilities that took his father so far. I was surprised at how many were backing him over a rising opponent who was hugely more accomplished and experienced than him, but I don't think those people's predictions were baseless.

I picked Eubank based on the speed and so on and that he had showed in his previous fights (admittedly against poor opposition) and also based on how quite a few people within the sport like Adam Booth had said he was the real deal based on how he fared when he had sparred (yes just sparring i know ) Groves and also how he looked against Froch in his spar. I think Saunders is a slick southpaw with a good boxing brain who is a world level fight in truth. The only thing he really lacks is power but he has all the other attributes really. For instance when he fights Korobov (dont see Lee winning myself) I would really find it a hard fight to pick. Pretty close to 50-50 as you can get.

[smiling assassin]

i had it 8 rounds to 4 could to saunders but could see it 7/5 but to have it to eubank i cant understand Billy joe was making him look so crude early doors Eubank was getting frustated. Even later on when Eubank was imposing his size and strength billy was still managing to get some nice clean work off.

[tobyh5]

Which one can and probably will improve most though?

And even as it stands, a one round swing makes it a draw. Says it all

[liamlion]

I was very disappointed that Eubank jr didnt use his jab more but he came on so strong and to be fair BJS' quality didnt really show. Yes he had the cleaner work but it really wasn't a dominant performance from BJS. Excellent, engaging and compelling fight though.

At the end there really wasn't much between the two.

The key thing at the end for me was the post fight interviews, BJS saying Eubank was a lot better than he thought. Regardless of the outcome, Eubank gave BJS a really tough, hard fight and BJS knew that.

Eubank's desire and conditioning were exceptional. If he can develop a jab then he really could be something.

Would love to see rematch and i can only see Eubank learning more from that fight than BJS.

Im only making points that others have made but the corner work of Ronnie Davies was so dreadfully poor. At one stage Davies said to Eubank jr "beat the sh1t out of him". That is just ridiculous. Id love to see Eubank trained by Adam Booth but im afraid Eubank sr is far too controlling to let someone have an input on his son.

[expe]

Would like the 72 members that voted on a Eubank Jnr by KO to stand up an elaborate on their choice

And you are laughing why? We have just seen a decorated amateur, an Olympian, an undefeated world ranked British, Commonwealth and European fighter pushed to the wire by a novice with limited amateur and professional experience. Great win that is mate, I can see why you feel the need to act superior.

I said Eubank to win and I said I have no logic at all, just a pure gut instinct that Eubank is the real deal. I said that if I analysed it I would have BJS winning easy but that I had a "feeling". I now feel that was right, he is for real but needs some polish and actually think the experience of that fight will elevate him hugely now. Eubank lost the fight through his inexperience and being unsure and clumsy in the early rounds more than BJS actually won the fight.

Inexperience is now not the case. If an inexperienced Eubank can take him to a split, what does an experienced one do?

An experience Eubank Jr still loses as comfortably as last night, because technically he isn't good enough. Inexperience lost him the first 5 rounds because he didn't do anything, but even in the last 7 when he tried to make a fight of it, I still had Saunders getting the better of those rounds. His problem's simple, he can't fight for 3 minutes of every round, Saunders was a good match up for him stylistically, not a big puncher or the strongest, but if he fights Ryder or Blackwell, they will put him under pressure and force the pace far more than Saunders did. On top of that, he isn't the puncher he's made out to be, there's serious balance issues, especially coming forward, mostly as a result of poor technique and his biggest hindrance is his Dad and there's little chance of him getting rid.

[Anzi]

Don't know about some of your comments, don't know what you was watching.

[jimcook]

Would like the 72 members that voted on a Eubank Jnr by KO to stand up an elaborate on their choice

And you are laughing why? We have just seen a decorated amateur, an Olympian, an undefeated world ranked British, Commonwealth and European fighter pushed to the wire by a novice with limited amateur and professional experience. Great win that is mate, I can see why you feel the need to act superior.

I said Eubank to win and I said I have no logic at all, just a pure gut instinct that Eubank is the real deal. I said that if I analysed it I would have BJS winning easy but that I had a "feeling". I now feel that was right, he is for real but needs some polish and actually think the experience of that fight will elevate him hugely now. Eubank lost the fight through his inexperience and being unsure and clumsy in the early rounds more than BJS actually won the fight.

Inexperience is now not the case. If an inexperienced Eubank can take him to a split, what does an experienced one do?

An experience Eubank Jr still loses as comfortably as last night, because technically he isn't good enough. Inexperience lost him the first 5 rounds because he didn't do anything, but even in the last 7 when he tried to make a fight of it, I still had Saunders getting the better of those rounds. His problem's simple, he can't fight for 3 minutes of every round, Saunders was a good match up for him stylistically, not a big puncher or the strongest, but if he fights Ryder or Blackwell, they will put him under pressure and force the pace far more than Saunders did. On top of that, he isn't the puncher he's made out to be, there's serious balance issues, especially coming forward, mostly as a result of poor technique and his biggest hindrance is his Dad and there's little chance of him getting rid.

[jimcook]

Would like the 72 members that voted on a Eubank Jnr by KO to stand up an elaborate on their choice

An experience Eubank Jr still loses as comfortably as last night, because technically he isn't good enough. Inexperience lost him the first 5 rounds because he didn't do anything, but even in the last 7 when he tried to make a fight of it, I still had Saunders getting the better of those rounds. His problem's simple, he can't fight for 3 minutes of every round, Saunders was a good match up for him stylistically, not a big puncher or the strongest, but if he fights Ryder or Blackwell, they will put him under pressure and force the pace far more than Saunders did. On top of that, he isn't the puncher he's made out to be, there's serious balance issues, especially coming forward, mostly as a result of poor technique and his biggest hindrance is his Dad and there's little chance of him getting rid.

agree with this. eubank had no confidence in his ability to go the full twelve at a pace , which is why he did nothing except threaten for the first five. the fight was like chavez junior vs martinez only less extreme.if eubank didnt have his huge weight advantage he wouldnt have won any of the last few rounds. bjs schooled him bigtime, and took his biggest punches, without going down. those who say eubank will improve are kidding themselves on.....he clearly thinks that he knows best( telling sheilds to shut up between rounds),as he has not addressed his novicey footwork, balance, and defence in his first nineteen fights. if he fights a puncher, hes gonna need to demonstrate a chin twice as good as his old man.
in short , hes a big strong physically gifted and determined kid, but hes no skilled boxer.

[expe]

An experience Eubank Jr still loses as comfortably as last night, because technically he isn't good enough. Inexperience lost him the first 5 rounds because he didn't do anything, but even in the last 7 when he tried to make a fight of it, I still had Saunders getting the better of those rounds. His problem's simple, he can't fight for 3 minutes of every round, Saunders was a good match up for him stylistically, not a big puncher or the strongest, but if he fights Ryder or Blackwell, they will put him under pressure and force the pace far more than Saunders did. On top of that, he isn't the puncher he's made out to be, there's serious balance issues, especially coming forward, mostly as a result of poor technique and his biggest hindrance is his Dad and there's little chance of him getting rid.

agree with this. eubank had no confidence in his ability to go the full twelve at a pace , which is why he did nothing except threaten for the first five. the fight was like chavez junior vs martinez only less extreme.if eubank didnt have his huge weight advantage he wouldnt have won any of the last few rounds. bjs schooled him bigtime, and took his biggest punches, without going down. those who say eubank will improve are kidding themselves on.....he clearly thinks that he knows best( telling sheilds to shut up between rounds),as he has not addressed his novicey footwork, balance, and defence in his first nineteen fights. if he fights a puncher, hes gonna need to demonstrate a chin twice as good as his old man.
in short , hes a big strong physically gifted and determined kid, but hes no skilled boxer.[/quote]
He's been boxing since he was 18, 7 years ago, plus any previous experience he's likely to have through his Dad and his technique and footwork are really poor. In that time he's benefited from far better coaching and sparring than most fighters are likely to ever come near to, but he's still wild and makes loads of basic mistakes. If they haven't ironed them out by now, I'm not sure they ever will do, especially as he seems reluctant to listen to anyone other than his Dad. It almost looks like they've tried to train him as a clone of his father, stylistically they are very similar, I know they're related and his Dad's responsible for 50% of his DNA, but I'm not sure his fighting style is down to it fitting him best as a fighter and athlete, but more down to his Dad trying to relive his own career through his son.