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cinny, i guess i cant go against the tide

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑23 Sep 2019, 16:00

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Sep 2019, 09:28

So you're either Prime or you're Shot? There is no in between to you?

There is definitely in between, and that is where he is now. "Shot" just means that he shifted too much from his prime. For example, if Golovkin doesn't manage a clear win against Derevo, I will call him shot.

Off-topic, I know, but do you now consider GGG shot, because he definitely didn't manage a clear win over Derevianchenko?

Anyway, back to the original point, even if Kovalev isn’t shot, Canelo won’t receive any kudos from fight fans, because his achievement will be belittled by fight fans that dislike him.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Oct 2019, 12:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑23 Sep 2019, 16:00
There is definitely in between, and that is where he is now. "Shot" just means that he shifted too much from his prime. For example, if Golovkin doesn't manage a clear win against Derevo, I will call him shot.

Off-topic, I know, but do you now consider GGG shot, because he definitely didn't manage a clear win over Derevianchenko?

He was sick and injured, so I think the word "shot" would be too strong based on that fight, but he is definitely years past his prime.

Dougie Fischer, The RING, has today just made the following prediction that I also made six weeks ago:

I believe the number of KO predictions for Canelo has more to do with the biases against both fighters than it does with the Mexican star’s punching power or Kovalev’s inability to take a punch (to the head or body).

I think some fans are saying Canelo will blowout Kovalev to discredit him regardless of the outcome. They don’t want to give him credit for stepping up to light heavyweight, so they claim that Kovalev is “shot.” They don’t want to give him credit for beating Kovalev (if he’s able to), so they say he’ll blast the light heavyweight veteran out early (or easily). If he does that, they can say “See, we told you Kovalev was a spent bullet.”

If Canelo doesn’t stop Kovalev, or if he struggles to stop him, they will say “Alvarez sucks, he had a hard time with an old, shot fighter.”

And if Kovalev loses a decision, but legitimately wins four rounds, they’ll score it a draw or 7 rounds to 5 for Kovalev, and say that Canelo got a gift.

And they’re all mad at me for seeing through their bulls__t and calling them on it. And guess what? Those fools can stay vexed.

Dougie got REALLY mad when judges gifted the first Kovalev fight to Ward. So, he can get mad and others can't?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 07:11 Dougie Fischer, The RING, has today just made the following prediction that I also made six weeks ago:

I believe the number of KO predictions for Canelo has more to do with the biases against both fighters than it does with the Mexican star’s punching power or Kovalev’s inability to take a punch (to the head or body).

I think some fans are saying Canelo will blowout Kovalev to discredit him regardless of the outcome. They don’t want to give him credit for stepping up to light heavyweight, so they claim that Kovalev is “shot.” They don’t want to give him credit for beating Kovalev (if he’s able to), so they say he’ll blast the light heavyweight veteran out early (or easily). If he does that, they can say “See, we told you Kovalev was a spent bullet.”

If Canelo doesn’t stop Kovalev, or if he struggles to stop him, they will say “Alvarez sucks, he had a hard time with an old, shot fighter.”

And if Kovalev loses a decision, but legitimately wins four rounds, they’ll score it a draw or 7 rounds to 5 for Kovalev, and say that Canelo got a gift.

And they’re all mad at me for seeing through their bulls__t and calling them on it. And guess what? Those fools can stay vexed.

Aren't you predicting Canelo to bash up Kov too. I mean surely there is reason to pick that that isn't bias.

And if predicting Canelo to bash him is bias, and predicting Kov to bash Canelo and stop him are bias/unfounded, then what is the right pick

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 11:51

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 07:11 Dougie Fischer, The RING, has today just made the following prediction that I also made six weeks ago:

I believe the number of KO predictions for Canelo has more to do with the biases against both fighters than it does with the Mexican star’s punching power or Kovalev’s inability to take a punch (to the head or body).

I think some fans are saying Canelo will blowout Kovalev to discredit him regardless of the outcome. They don’t want to give him credit for stepping up to light heavyweight, so they claim that Kovalev is “shot.” They don’t want to give him credit for beating Kovalev (if he’s able to), so they say he’ll blast the light heavyweight veteran out early (or easily). If he does that, they can say “See, we told you Kovalev was a spent bullet.”

If Canelo doesn’t stop Kovalev, or if he struggles to stop him, they will say “Alvarez sucks, he had a hard time with an old, shot fighter.”

And if Kovalev loses a decision, but legitimately wins four rounds, they’ll score it a draw or 7 rounds to 5 for Kovalev, and say that Canelo got a gift.

And they’re all mad at me for seeing through their bulls__t and calling them on it. And guess what? Those fools can stay vexed.

Aren't you predicting Canelo to bash up Kov too. I mean surely there is reason to pick that that isn't bias.

And if predicting Canelo to bash him is bias, and predicting Kov to bash Canelo and stop him are bias/unfounded, then what is the right pick

I think you’re missing the point.

It’s not really about people making honest predictions.

It’s more about people inevitably allowing their hatred of Canelo compelling them to do their upmost to undermine the nature of his victory over Kovalev (assuming he’s able to overcome the Russian veteran that is).

Basically, whatever the outcome, Canelo’s detractors will find a way to criticise the Mexican.

I can understand people not being a supporter of Canelo, but it does confuse me to see so many fight fans despise him and become hideously outraged about anything he does. It’s just seems like a weird over-reaction.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 13:24

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 11:51

Aren't you predicting Canelo to bash up Kov too. I mean surely there is reason to pick that that isn't bias.

And if predicting Canelo to bash him is bias, and predicting Kov to bash Canelo and stop him are bias/unfounded, then what is the right pick

I think you’re missing the point.

It’s not really about people making honest predictions.

It’s more about people inevitably allowing their hatred of Canelo to do their upmost to undermine the nature of his victory over Kovalev (assuming he’s able to overcome the Russian veteran that is).

Basically, whatever the outcome, Canelo’s detractors will find a way to criticise the Mexican.

I can understand people not being a supporter of Canelo, but it does confuse me to see to many people despise him and become hideously outraged about anything he does. It’s just a weird over-reaction.

I'll regret this.

A lot of people don't like him because they think he gets preferential treatment from judges, previous shenanigans fighting for recognised belts at catch weight plus the Mexican beef scandal.

Which is fair enough I'd say

ewenhay wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 13:31

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 13:24
I think you’re missing the point.

It’s not really about people making honest predictions.

It’s more about people inevitably allowing their hatred of Canelo to do their upmost to undermine the nature of his victory over Kovalev (assuming he’s able to overcome the Russian veteran that is).

Basically, whatever the outcome, Canelo’s detractors will find a way to criticise the Mexican.

I can understand people not being a supporter of Canelo, but it does confuse me to see to many people despise him and become hideously outraged about anything he does. It’s just a weird over-reaction.

I'll regret this.

A lot of people don't like him because they think he gets preferential treatment from judges, previous shenanigans fighting for recognised belts at catch weight plus the Mexican beef scandal.

Which is fair enough I'd say

Like I said, I understand why some might not be a fan of his and may want to see him lose, but many seem to overreact and become filled with rage at the mere mention of his name.

It’s just a weird phenomenon, considering there are far more evil people alive on this planet that don’t stir up the same sort of negative emotions.

Their reaction is much akin to “safe space” dwelling liberal millennial SJW’s that consider it “an act of violence”, causing them to become obscenely angry, if you inadvertently refer to them using an incorrect gender-pronoun.

To each their own, I guess.

Great fight! Hard to predict who will win. Both are supreme technicians. Power edge to Sergey, Canelo has edge in age. My prediction is a draw.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 13:38

ewenhay wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 13:31

I'll regret this.

A lot of people don't like him because they think he gets preferential treatment from judges, previous shenanigans fighting for recognised belts at catch weight plus the Mexican beef scandal.

Which is fair enough I'd say

Like I said, I understand why some might not be a fan of his and may want to see him lose, but many seem to overreact and become filled with rage at the mere mention of his name.

It’s just a weird phenomenon, considering there are far more evil people alive on this planet that don’t stir up the same sort of negative emotions.

Their reaction is much akin to “safe space” dwelling liberal millennial SJW’s that consider it “an act of violence”, causing them to become obscenely angry, if you inadvertently refer to them using an incorrect gender-pronoun.

To each their own, I guess.

Nobody wants him lynched or hanged I dont think.

It's Kovalev v Alvarez. There will be controversy on here regardless. Both sides in this one have history of crying after the event.

Although Canelo Alvarez, who is moving up two weight divisions to 175 pounds, did not seek a catch weight for his light heavyweight world title challenge of Sergey Kovalev in an effort to drain him from his natural fighting weight, there is a rehydration clause in the contract, sources told ESPN. It requires both fighters to submit to a weight check on Saturday morning at which neither man can weigh more than 185 pounds, one source said. There are severe financial penalties if either man is over. Kovalev is used to weight checks on the morning of the fight from his days of holding the IBF title because that organization requires them.

Dan Rafael, ESPN Senior Writer

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 15:26 Although Canelo Alvarez, who is moving up two weight divisions to 175 pounds, did not seek a catch weight for his light heavyweight world title challenge of Sergey Kovalev in an effort to drain him from his natural fighting weight, there is a rehydration clause in the contract, sources told ESPN. It requires both fighters to submit to a weight check on Saturday morning at which neither man can weigh more than 185 pounds, one source said. There are severe financial penalties if either man is over. Kovalev is used to weight checks on the morning of the fight from his days of holding the IBF title because that organization requires them.

Dan Rafael, ESPN Senior Writer

No surprise. Canelo hasn't changed. His "bravery" is based on pre-calculated advantages including waiting for his opponents to significantly slide, weight draining them, pocket judges, Mexican "meat", etc.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 15:47

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 15:26 Although Canelo Alvarez, who is moving up two weight divisions to 175 pounds, did not seek a catch weight for his light heavyweight world title challenge of Sergey Kovalev in an effort to drain him from his natural fighting weight, there is a rehydration clause in the contract, sources told ESPN. It requires both fighters to submit to a weight check on Saturday morning at which neither man can weigh more than 185 pounds, one source said. There are severe financial penalties if either man is over. Kovalev is used to weight checks on the morning of the fight from his days of holding the IBF title because that organization requires them.

Dan Rafael, ESPN Senior Writer

No surprise. Canelo hasn't changed. His "bravery" is based on pre-calculated advantages including waiting for his opponents to significantly slide, weight draining them, pocket judges, Mexican "meat", etc.

at least he doesnt wait 7 years for his best opponent to worsen like floyd did.

canelo fought close to prime GGG and past prime Kovalev, who still is a dangerous knock out puncher. on top his team say they have no problem with facing prime bertebiev, which would be crazy, since bertebiev is a monster, a KO machine.

just look at canelo standing infront of kovalev, he has so many disadvantages. kovalev got reach, height, punching power, basicly everything on his side.

What. We had gone over this months ago, I thought it was confirmed that there was no rehydration clause. If memory serves me, Duva confirmed this. This is that A side B side nonsense.

Also, the weigh-in is late leaving Kova less time to rehydrate.

Canelo looked in good shape.

his neck hs shoulders are strong, canelo is the real deal.