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tobyh5 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:47 So he had a hearing as not enough time to test the B Sample. Over a week later, no news on the B Sample and you can bet your bollox that they have the results back from it.

That they have not said it exonerates him makes it clear that the B Sample is backing up the A Sample so they are trying to now fire legal bullshite around this to get away with it. However the truth is out there, some fanboys and idiots will go along with the narrative they present, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows all they need to do.

I will never fork out a bean to watch Whyte, nor will I support him in any way at all (but to complete my own double standards, I have no issue with Fury. I know, go figure?!)

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:09 I'm not the biggest fan of Whyte the person but ive always been led to believe it was a genuine mistake 1st time around when he got the ban early in his career, wasn't it something over the counter or in a drink or something? I'm still glad he got a ban as boxers should take full responsibilty for what they put in their system, I think Maccarinelli was the same, I hate cheats and am all for life bans but truth be told there are levels to PEDs, some are blatant cheating and some are just naïve idiots, i'll give Whyte the benefit of doubt for the time being until I know more, its clear to see this isn't another Jarrell Miller case

From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

What I will say though UKAD need to do away with the confidential crap, even if there's a query with findings all parties involved need to be aware even its not certain theres been any wrongdoing, I feel sorry for Rivas in all this but as Eddie says if he has failed as well then he or Whyte wont know for the same reasons, UKAD don't tell anyone dick and we know the VADA tests have been fine because they would reveal all

UKAD aren't fit for purpose, they have got the resourses to fight their own cases, wasn't the reason the Fury's got off was because a courtcase would bankrupt them??

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:25

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:09 From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

There's plenty of reasons why ONE might find something and the other wouldn't, unless they were sharing the same sample (which would be weird). Don't imagine either were testing him every day, so what day they took the tests could have been important, how long Dbol shows up in a test could be an issue, how much fluid he had in his system for each of the tests, and even whether Dbol "pulses" in tests (see the Jon Jones case).

VADA say doing tests on the 8th, 12th and 17th might have missed it if he took it on the 13th and it was cleared from his system 3 days later, whilst UKAD could have tested him on the 14th, and bang, traces of the metabolite show up. (dates used as example, and aren't specific to this case)

VADA might be number 1 but there are still hundreds of flaws with any testing, especially when the drugs are becoming ever harder to track and it can come down to luck of the testers.

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:56

Coco wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 11:44 With his shape you would be surprised if Ruiz was juicing!

I wouldn't. He might have plenty of unseen enhanced muscle under that fat, and recall that Miller was busted for Cardarine for improved stamina. EPO's one of the tricky ones because it's detectable during its peak enhancement. So it's a big timing gamble, but also a big help.

Could it be that Wilder's more devastating 225lb self is the PED version? I'd been putting his weight loss down to the pressure of bigger fights, but it's very plausible that that was down to stricter testing. Wilder looks like one of the fittest heavies (book by its cover, I know), and yet he tires. I'd be very surprised if any top fighter's clean, but not surprised if Wilder's a lighter user.

JimStone wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:00

tobyh5 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:47 So he had a hearing as not enough time to test the B Sample. Over a week later, no news on the B Sample and you can bet your bollox that they have the results back from it.

That they have not said it exonerates him makes it clear that the B Sample is backing up the A Sample so they are trying to now fire legal bullshite around this to get away with it. However the truth is out there, some fanboys and idiots will go along with the narrative they present, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows all they need to do.

I will never fork out a bean to watch Whyte, nor will I support him in any way at all (but to complete my own double standards, I have no issue with Fury. I know, go figure?!)

It's more likely that Dillian elected to attend a hearing to explain the reason(s) for the positive test and/or put forward his legal position given the result and chose not to have the B sample tested.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:08 Toney failed a ped test too

Flabs more of a calorie issue then a ped issue. Fat guys still have muscle and stuff under there fat, they can still get plenty of benefits from peds while being flabby

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:06 And Fury has always looked like sh!t in terms of build, and still failed a test.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:08 Toney failed a ped test too

Flabs more of a calorie issue then a ped issue. Fat guys still have muscle and stuff under there fat, they can still get plenty of benefits from peds while being flabby

rd350lc wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:13

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:06 And Fury has always looked like sh!t in terms of build, and still failed a test.

Don't know shite about the subject , but is it not more of a stamina boosting thing , rather than muscle building ?
Fury has great stamina .

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:17

rd350lc wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:13

Don't know shite about the subject , but is it not more of a stamina boosting thing , rather than muscle building ?
Fury has great stamina .

Yeah exactly. That’s what I’m saying, it’s not just a bodybuilding/physique thing, can’t point to someone being clean purely on their body shape or type.

rd350lc wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:23

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:17

Yeah exactly. That’s what I’m saying, it’s not just a bodybuilding/physique thing, can’t point to someone being clean purely on their body shape or type.

Gotcha , bit slow on the uptake me !

tobyh5 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:47 So he had a hearing as not enough time to test the B Sample. Over a week later, no news on the B Sample and you can bet your bollox that they have the results back from it.

That they have not said it exonerates him makes it clear that the B Sample is backing up the A Sample so they are trying to now fire legal bullshite around this to get away with it. However the truth is out there, some fanboys and idiots will go along with the narrative they present, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows all they need to do.

I will never fork out a bean to watch Whyte, nor will I support him in any way at all (but to complete my own double standards, I have no issue with Fury. I know, go figure?!)

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:06 And Fury has always looked like sh!t in terms of build, and still failed a test.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 16:05

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:56

I wouldn't. He might have plenty of unseen enhanced muscle under that fat, and recall that Miller was busted for Cardarine for improved stamina. EPO's one of the tricky ones because it's detectable during its peak enhancement. So it's a big timing gamble, but also a big help.

Could it be that Wilder's more devastating 225lb self is the PED version? I'd been putting his weight loss down to the pressure of bigger fights, but it's very plausible that that was down to stricter testing. Wilder looks like one of the fittest heavies (book by its cover, I know), and yet he tires. I'd be very surprised if any top fighter's clean, but not surprised if Wilder's a lighter user.

Ruiz was also a lot more active against Joshua that he was against Parker for example...not accusing him by any means, but agree that his build shouldn’t exclude the possibility of him using PEDs. Frankly I think they’re all on them anyway.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:39 My hunch is after reading everything, Whyte has TUE's which UKAD were aware of however VADA were not in the loop.

The test comes back positive from VADA, then the hearing before the bout with UKAD is just providing evidence that the flagged substance was an exemption.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:39 My hunch is after reading everything, Whyte has TUE's which UKAD were aware of however VADA were not in the loop.

The test comes back positive from VADA, then the hearing before the bout with UKAD is just providing evidence that the flagged substance was an exemption.

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:09 I'm not the biggest fan of Whyte the person but ive always been led to believe it was a genuine mistake 1st time around when he got the ban early in his career, wasn't it something over the counter or in a drink or something? I'm still glad he got a ban as boxers should take full responsibilty for what they put in their system, I think Maccarinelli was the same, I hate cheats and am all for life bans but truth be told there are levels to PEDs, some are blatant cheating and some are just naïve idiots, i'll give Whyte the benefit of doubt for the time being until I know more, its clear to see this isn't another Jarrell Miller case

From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

What I will say though UKAD need to do away with the confidential crap, even if there's a query with findings all parties involved need to be aware even its not certain theres been any wrongdoing, I feel sorry for Rivas in all this but as Eddie says if he has failed as well then he or Whyte wont know for the same reasons, UKAD don't tell anyone dick and we know the VADA tests have been fine because they would reveal all

UKAD aren't fit for purpose, they have got the resourses to fight their own cases, wasn't the reason the Fury's got off was because a courtcase would bankrupt them??

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:53

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:09 I'm not the biggest fan of Whyte the person but ive always been led to believe it was a genuine mistake 1st time around when he got the ban early in his career, wasn't it something over the counter or in a drink or something? I'm still glad he got a ban as boxers should take full responsibilty for what they put in their system, I think Maccarinelli was the same, I hate cheats and am all for life bans but truth be told there are levels to PEDs, some are blatant cheating and some are just naïve idiots, i'll give Whyte the benefit of doubt for the time being until I know more, its clear to see this isn't another Jarrell Miller case

From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

What I will say though UKAD need to do away with the confidential crap, even if there's a query with findings all parties involved need to be aware even its not certain theres been any wrongdoing, I feel sorry for Rivas in all this but as Eddie says if he has failed as well then he or Whyte wont know for the same reasons, UKAD don't tell anyone dick and we know the VADA tests have been fine because they would reveal all

UKAD aren't fit for purpose, they have got the resourses to fight their own cases, wasn't the reason the Fury's got off was because a courtcase would bankrupt them??

Yeh. I think UKAD have an annual budget of £600k..

kbackup408 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:58

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:53

Yeh. I think UKAD have an annual budget of £600k..

Sorry for chiming in but if that £600K figure is correct - UKAD is absolutely incompetent when it comes to testing

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:46

kbackup408 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:39 My hunch is after reading everything, Whyte has TUE's which UKAD were aware of however VADA were not in the loop.

The test comes back positive from VADA, then the hearing before the bout with UKAD is just providing evidence that the flagged substance was an exemption.

What are the chances that a banned drug is used as a TUE?

kbackup408 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:58

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:53

Yeh. I think UKAD have an annual budget of £600k..

Sorry for chiming in but if that £600K figure is correct - UKAD is absolutely incompetent when it comes to testing

liamlion wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 18:02

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 17:46

What are the chances that a banned drug is used as a TUE?

It happened with Billy Joe Saunders.