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Loki wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 15:26 Canelo will KO him, brutally.

How come?
This has controversy points decision to Canelo written all over it.
Billy ain't glass jaw Khan, and that's the last guy Canelo knocked out.
And so far, no pro has knocked Billy down.

Alvarez, 30, stepped on the scale at 167.4 pounds.

Saunders, 31, officially weighed 167.8 pounds.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:15

Loki wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 15:26 Canelo will KO him, brutally.

How come?
This has controversy points decision to Canelo written all over it.
Billy ain't glass jaw Khan, and that's the last guy Canelo knocked out.
And so far, no pro has knocked Billy down.

why does it have controversy all over it? canelo will beat him clearly

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:25

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:15

Loki wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 15:26 Canelo will KO him, brutally.

How come?
This has controversy points decision to Canelo written all over it.
Billy ain't glass jaw Khan, and that's the last guy Canelo knocked out.
And so far, no pro has knocked Billy down.

why does it have controversy all over it? canelo will beat him clearly

Meh, I can see another Lara type fight. Maybe not quite as negative, but similar. The road maps to beating Canelo laid down by Floyd and Lara are pretty negative.

i think canelo is level above saunders, dont see any controversy about who shouldve won

Undercard Weigh in

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Elwin Soto (18-1, 12 KOs), Mexicali, Mexico, 107.8 pounds vs. Katsunari Takayama (32-8, 12 KOs, 1 NC), Osaka, Japan, 107.6 pounds, 12 rounds for Soto’s WBO junior flyweight title.

Kieron Conway (16-1-1, 3 KOs), Northampton, England, 154 pounds vs. Souleymane Cissokho (12-0, 8 KOs), Bagnolet, France, 153.6 pounds, 10 rounds, junior middleweights.

Frank Sanchez (17-0, 13 KOs), Guantanamo, Cuba, 237.6 pounds vs. Nagy Aguilera (21-10, 14 KOs), Newburgh, New York, 238.2 pounds, 10 rounds, heavyweights.

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Marc Castro (2-0, 2 KOs), Fresno, California, 132.4 pounds vs. Irving Macias Castillo (9-1, 6 KOs), Monterrey, Mexico, 127.6 pounds, 6 rounds, lightweights.

Keyshawn Davis (2-0, 2 KOs), Norfolk, Virginia, 138 pounds vs. Jose Antonio Meza (6-4, 1 KO), Gomez Palacio, Mexico, 138 pounds, 6 rounds, junior welterweights.

Christian Alan Gomez Duran (19-2-1, 17 KOs), Guadalajara, Mexico, 146.4 pounds vs. Xavier Wilson (11-2-1, 1 KO), San Antonio, 147.8 pounds, welterweights.

Kelvin Davis (1-0, 1 KO), Norfolk, Virginia, 143.8 pounds vs. Jan Marsalek (8-2, 7 KOs), Pardubice, Czech Republic, 140.4 pounds, 4 rounds, welterweights.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:29

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:25

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:15
How come?
This has controversy points decision to Canelo written all over it.
Billy ain't glass jaw Khan, and that's the last guy Canelo knocked out.
And so far, no pro has knocked Billy down.

why does it have controversy all over it? canelo will beat him clearly

Meh, I can see another Lara type fight. Maybe not quite as negative, but similar. The road maps to beating Canelo laid down by Floyd and Lara are pretty negative.

There's a real danger of a massive disappointment tomorrow night.

A potentially negative 12 rounds of nothing (Klitschko v Fury) with one of the least promising undercards within memory.

Perhaps they could liven things up a little by showing us the cards before the fight.

im pretty much prepared for bjs being super negative and hence am not expecting an entertaining fight, my expectations are low so things can only be better

Thomastearns wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 17:44

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:29

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:25

why does it have controversy all over it? canelo will beat him clearly

Meh, I can see another Lara type fight. Maybe not quite as negative, but similar. The road maps to beating Canelo laid down by Floyd and Lara are pretty negative.

There's a real danger of a massive disappointment tomorrow night.

A potentially negative 12 rounds of nothing (Klitschko v Fury) with one of the least promising undercards within memory.

Perhaps they could liven things up a little by showing us the cards before the fight.

X2
I'm trying not to get excited about the main event. A couple of the undercard fights should be worth a watch. But as you said, it could well be the largest US indoor boxing crowd booing and baying for Billy's blood. They ain't gonna be as polite as the crowd at the Lemieux fight

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:15

Loki wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 15:26 Canelo will KO him, brutally.

How come?
This has controversy points decision to Canelo written all over it.
Billy ain't glass jaw Khan, and that's the last guy Canelo knocked out.
And so far, no pro has knocked Billy down.

If Saunders is coming to win like he says he is then he will have to fight eventually he is not going to steal rounds

ThereByTheGrace wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 18:29

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:15

Loki wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 15:26 Canelo will KO him, brutally.

How come?
This has controversy points decision to Canelo written all over it.
Billy ain't glass jaw Khan, and that's the last guy Canelo knocked out.
And so far, no pro has knocked Billy down.

If Saunders is coming to win like he says he is then he will have to fight eventually he is not going to steal rounds

Yes and No.

He needs to make Canelo miss and then make him pay, a bit like Lara did for the first five rounds of his bout against Alvarez.

He can’t afford to play tig, like the Cuban did for the final seven rounds, because the judges will penalise him for his negativity.

I don’t think that Saunders can, or even should, engage with Canelo, because he’d be outgunned.

Instead, the Brit needs to make sure that the punches he can connect with are relatively meaningful, rather than simply “touching” the target.

Because rounds are scored completely different in the pros than the amateurs.

ERIC GUY wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 09:45 A SIMPLE SEARCH TELL YOU THE PRICES,
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He doesn’t want to admit to his one gigantic cock-up, so he’s decided to become cowardly and pretend that he didn’t really write what everyone saw him post.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 17:47 im pretty much prepared for bjs being super negative and hence am not expecting an entertaining fight, my expectations are low so things can only be better

Agreed

I think to win Saunders needs to jab and move, jab and move and pick 1 mabey 2 times a round when canelo chases a bit to strait to throw a 1-2 or a flurry then back on the back foot jabbing. Mabeyyyy the of right hook as he is stepping in but only if it’s really there.

For billy to win this fight I think he needs to throw about 20-30 power punches for the fight. fornicate all. Cause canelos counters are just to sharp to give him enough looks to figure it out.

Only way billy should throw more is if he starts negative and then canelo gets frustrated and tries and just fight front foot reckless, then billy will have to throw more to hold him off but that works for billy.


Can this win a decision vs canelo? There has been sooooo much talk lately about canelos judges that I can’t see them being to biased because it’s just too under the spotlight now, they actualy favoured Callum smith more than what every other person watching the fight saw.

(This is a stretch though, and I think if billy tries it he will get countered to the body when jabbing and countered hard when picking his power punches. But the only way I see possible )

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 16:33 i think canelo is level above saunders, dont see any controversy about who shouldve won

People comparing it to the Lara fight, but I dont think Lara has a habit of fading after 6 rounds like Saunders does. He noticeably dips. He's able to get away with it against lesser fighters, but not so sure against Canelo.

canelo's come on a lot since then too, his skills are better than ever--- he's got timing, speed, power, excellent head movment, improved steak nutrition etc. he's also continually added experience vs top notch opponents with different styles and strengths., and i think prime lara was better than bill anyway

ppl seem to think of bjs as some masterclass boxer of the lemieux fight....but look at all the times he's barely scraped by.....split eubank, majority lee, 115-114 ryder, tough fight vs blackwell, easily could've lost a decision to akavov, 96-94/95-95 vs coeceres, shaken to his boots by isufi. canelo is far better than any of these guys.

canelo is levels above anything he's seen, saunders is just another dude for canelo

and as someone mentioned, maybe you, bjs has looked worse since moving up to smw. actually surprised there hasnt been more talk of that. i dont think it's his best division

since moving up he's had basically an even fight with the argie for 10 rounds, got hurt worse than he has ever before by isufi, and then decisioned totally shopworn murray. hasnt looked as quick or sharp

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 May 2021, 03:22 canelo's come on a lot since then too, his skills are better than ever--- he's got timing, speed, power, excellent head movment, improved steak nutrition etc. he's also continually added experience vs top notch opponents with different styles and strengths., and i think prime lara was better than bill anyway

ppl seem to think of bjs as some masterclass boxer of the lemieux fight....but look at all the times he's barely scraped by.....split eubank, majority lee, 115-114 ryder, tough fight vs blackwell, easily could've lost a decision to akavov, 96-94/95-95 vs coeceres, shaken to his boots by isufi. canelo is far better than any of these guys.

canelo is levels above anything he's seen, saunders is just another dude for canelo

Canelo is surely better in many aspects, but Saunders can become a stylistic problem for Canelo, as Canelo had troubles with movers. Also, it's important to note, that Saunders often wasn't motivated enough and he prepared according to a level of opposition. The Akavov fight was the best example of him coming not prepared well, suffering from the weightcut and underestimating an opponent. So, there're some chances of Saunders bringing surprises.

However, I see it as a wide dec win for Canelo, too wide on the official scores, although I root for BJS.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 May 2021, 03:22 canelo's come on a lot since then too, his skills are better than ever--- he's got timing, speed, power, excellent head movment, improved steak nutrition etc. he's also continually added experience vs top notch opponents with different styles and strengths., and i think prime lara was better than bill anyway

ppl seem to think of bjs as some masterclass boxer of the lemieux fight....but look at all the times he's barely scraped by.....split eubank, majority lee, 115-114 ryder, tough fight vs blackwell, easily could've lost a decision to akavov, 96-94/95-95 vs coeceres, shaken to his boots by isufi. canelo is far better than any of these guys.

canelo is levels above anything he's seen, saunders is just another dude for canelo

Saunders looks strong too and he's bigger than Canelo. Probably it's just the hype before the fight but I would not be surprised if BJS will be a problem for Canelo.

I don't see anything saunders brings to the table to bother this canelo

He isn't going to outmuscle him inside or outjab him. It is tough to hit and run and win against alvarez

10 to 2 is my prediction. Maybe 9 to 3

Stats and Stakes

Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez

Age: 30
Titles: Ring/WBC/WBA Super Middleweight (2020-Present, 1 Defense)
Previous Titles: WBC Super Welterweight (2011-13, 6 Defenses); Ring Jr. Middleweight (2013); WBC Middleweight (2015-16, 1 Defense); TBRB Middleweight (2015-17); WBO Jr. Middleweight (2016-17); Ring World Middleweight (2015-18, 2 Defenses); IBF Middleweight (2019); Lineal World Middleweight (2015-20, 4 Defenses); TBRB/Ring/WBC/WBA Middleweight (2018-Present, 1 Defense)
Height: 5’8
Weight: 167 ½ lbs.
Stance: Orthodox
Hails from: Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
Record: 55-1-2, 37 KO
Press Rankings: #1 (TBRB, ESPN, Boxing News, BoxRec),
Record in Major Title Fights: 15-1-1, 8 KO (16-1-1, 9 KO including WBA sub-title fights)
Last Five Opponents: 144-8-1 (.967)

Notable Outcomes, TBRB and/or Ring Rated Foes: Ryan Rhodes TKO12; Josesito Lopez TKO5; Austin Trout UD12; Floyd Mayweather Jr. L12; Erislandy Lara SD12; Miguel Cotto UD12; Amir Khan KO6; Liam Smith KO9; Gennady Golovkin D12, MD12; Rocky Fielding TKO3; Daniel Jacobs UD12; Sergey Kovalev KO11; Callum Smith UD12

Additional Current/Former Titlists Faced: Miguel Vazquez SD4, UD10; Carlos Baldomir KO6; Lovemore N’Dou UD12; Kermit Cintron TKO5; Shane Mosley UD12; Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. UD12

vs.

Billy Joe Saunders

Age: 31
Title: WBO Super Middleweight (2019-20, 2 Defenses)
Previous Titles: WBO Middleweight (2015-18, 3 Defenses)
Height: 5’11
Weight: 167 ¾ lbs.
Stance: Southpaw
Hails from: Hatfield, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Record: 30-0, 14 KO
Press Rankings: #3 (Boxing News, BoxRec), #4 (Ring), #5 (ESPN), #6 (TBRB)
Record in Major Title Fights: 7-0, 1 KO
Last Five Opponents: 164-24-4 (.865)

Notable Outcomes, TBRB and/or Ring Rated Foes: Andy Lee MD12; David Lemieux UD12

Additional Current/Former Titlists Faced: None

Loki wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 15:26 Canelo will KO him, brutally.

100%.

saunders will be rendered unconcious, head bouncing of the canvas multiple times, legs twitching like apollo's in rocky 4, he will come to his senses fixated on a stretcher convulsions of pain still running thru his tortured organism.

his crying father will tell him canelo did it with a single BODY SHOT TO THE LIVER!

saunders is a clown, a weak ass bum, canelo a god walking amongst mere men, the sole saviour of frikkin boxing.

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