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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑13 Jun 2020, 22:26 - I vote for the creation of the super duper dumb topic forum where our notoriously pedantic infant terribles can be isolated much like the mythical fights ADD guy was.

Joe Greene vs Bennie Goodnight, who you got?

Super Weinie division vs Jr Weinie division?

Superheavy Rump vs Barracuda Biten?

And all the classes in between!

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Jun 2020, 21:11 I wake up in the middle of night, heart racing and covered in sweat, from the nightmare that I have to read an entire EO post --every single word---from start to finish

There's a Witherspoon vs Bruno debate in "British & Irish." EO must believe Terrible Timmy was more effective at 238 than at 208. Hey, A. Ruiz was better than Liston because he weighed more.

Paci wrote: ↑13 Jun 2020, 21:32 Open weight is way cooler. Since small fries like me can have a go at the giants. Might die but I didn't dodge him in a double meaning

Open Weight fights have actually taken place in the last 30 years too. Just not in Boxing.

Think open weight fights can happen, just that the smaller guy always gains weight in reality

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 17:48 Think open weight fights can happen, just that the smaller guy always gains weight in reality

I doubt they would allow most of them anymore.

Like a Light Heavyweight weighing 178 fighting a Heavyweight? I just can't see that being allowed at this point.

The last time I've seen open weight bouts it was in Pride FC in Japan.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 17:43

Paci wrote: ↑13 Jun 2020, 21:32 Open weight is way cooler. Since small fries like me can have a go at the giants. Might die but I didn't dodge him in a double meaning

Open Weight fights have actually taken place in the last 30 years too. Just not in Boxing.

Do love how crazy people are.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 17:53

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 17:48 Think open weight fights can happen, just that the smaller guy always gains weight in reality

I doubt they would allow most of them anymore.

Like a Light Heavyweight weighing 178 fighting a Heavyweight? I just can't see that being allowed at this point.

The last time I've seen open weight bouts it was in Pride FC in Japan.

How about 160 pound Fitz vs the President

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 18:44

gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 17:53

I doubt they would allow most of them anymore.

Like a Light Heavyweight weighing 178 fighting a Heavyweight? I just can't see that being allowed at this point.

The last time I've seen open weight bouts it was in Pride FC in Japan.

How about 160 pound Fitz vs the President

Could've happened in Fitz's time. Though I don't think there were a lot of Heavyweight Boxers from Nigeria back then

You don't seem to get my stance on Fitz vs Ibeabuchi, but this ain't the thread to discuss it. I thought I explained it pretty well anyhow.

Oh I get your stance, I just think it's irrelevant to a 1 night, at their best matchup

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 18:51 Oh I get your stance, I just think it's irrelevant to a 1 night, at their best matchup

And I think a rapist who's career ended right as it was getting started doesn't deserve credit in mythical matchups when he couldn't even prove himself in his own era before ruining his career and life.

Rapist has nothing at all to do with a 1 night fight when they're at their best

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 18:57 Rapist has nothing at all to do with a fight when they're at their best

Ibeabuchi never fought the best of his own time. He went to Prison first.

He doesn't belong in mythical matchups where he's given credit for "Oh yeah he could've beat..."

Fact is. He DIDN'T beat any great fighter in his own time. He beat Chris Byrd who was very good.

Maybe he could've been great, but he wasn't.

Maybe he could've beaten a lot of good fighters, but he didn't.

I feel the same about Edwin Valero. Name me almost anybody vs Edwin Valero in a mythical matchup, and I'm picking the accomplished fighter who didn't throw his life away over the guy who knocked out a bunch of stiffs, and never stepped up before stepping out.

Mythical fights are all 'oh yeah he could've beat'...

Just go with what you saw

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 19:03 Mythical fights are all 'oh yeah he could've beat'...

Just go with what you saw

I saw Ibeabuchi win a decision he didn't deserve over David Tua, and I've seen grainy footage of Bob Fitzsimmons knocking out Corbett in the 14th round with a solar plexus punch after losing the majority of the fight up to that point.

I've read about many of Fitzsimmons' accomplishments too. In a very well written book about his life and career.

I have infinitely more respect for him as a fighter, and a man than I do Ibeabuchi.

He's the better fighter, and as far as I'm concerned he'd win the fight because he proved he was a great fighter, unlike Ibeabuchi.

Then f@ck ya for open weight fights, damn commissions should let that sh!t happen, bring on the top middleweights vs the top hws

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 19:07 Then f@ck ya for open weight fights, damn commissions should let that sh!t happen, bring on the top middleweights vs the top hws

Fury vs Inoue

Ibeabuchi was relatively untested. He only had two wins that meant anything. On the other hand, that is more than any current heavyweight.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 10:27 Ibeabuchi was relatively untested. He only had two wins that meant anything. On the other hand, that is more than any current heavyweight.

Fury has exactly 2 wins that mean something

And they mean more than Ibeabuchi's 2 wins.

Wilder has 2 and AJ has more than 2 wins, but Fury has the 2 biggest wins.

I think Ike's era is pretty far ahead of Fitzsimmons era head to head at heavyweight.

Ike's era had guys like Lewis, Tua, Tyson, etc. What is the equivalent from Fitzsimmons era?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 14:19

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 10:27 Ibeabuchi was relatively untested. He only had two wins that meant anything. On the other hand, that is more than any current heavyweight.

Fury has exactly 2 wins that mean something

And they mean more than Ibeabuchi's 2 wins.

Wilder has 2 and AJ has more than 2 wins, but Fury has the 2 biggest wins.

Fury has a win over Wilder. That's it.
Wilder has none.
Joshua has none.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Jun 2020, 10:51

gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 14:19

Fury has exactly 2 wins that mean something

And they mean more than Ibeabuchi's 2 wins.

Wilder has 2 and AJ has more than 2 wins, but Fury has the 2 biggest wins.

Fury has a win over Wilder. That's it.
Wilder has none.
Joshua has none.

You're acting like Ibeabuchi beat Lennox Lewis or something.

Fury has Wilder and Wlad. Wilder has Luis Ortiz 2x, AJ has Povetkin, Wlad and Joseph Parker.

All of those wins are at least on par with David Tua or Chris Byrd. Most them are superior to either.

I think some people overrate Ibeabuchi, but at least he beat Tua and Byrd.
Klitschko was ancient by the time he fought Joshua and Fury.

Tua and Byrd were certainly not all time greats, but they were much better than Ortiz, Parker, and Povetkin.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Jun 2020, 12:54 I think some people overrate Ibeabuchi, but at least he beat Tua and Byrd.
Klitschko was ancient by the time he fought Joshua and Fury.

Tua and Byrd were certainly not all time greats, but they were much better than Ortiz, Parker, and Povetkin.

I don't see Tua beating Ortiz. A fight between him and Povetkin is 50/50 to me.

Parker I'll grant you is a notch below those guys, but not by much.

Also Ibeabuchi didn't deserve the nod over Tua IMO. So he has 2 big wins, and one of 'em I didn't think he won.

Anyone that's picking Ibeabuchi to beat any great fighter of the past is overrating him.

Tua was not the most consistent guy in the world, but he was pretty good. He had a lot of power and a great chin. I simply don't think Ortiz, Parker or Povetkin were very good. Nothing about them impresses me at all. They have fought in a pathetic era and couldn't make it to the top.

Ibeabuchi-Tua was pretty close. Tua brought his A game to that fight. How many fights since then have been better? Even if you give the decision to Tua, it's not like Ibeabuchi looked bad.

Ibeabuchi knocked out a prime Byrd. That has to count for something.

He clearly beat tua.