Canelo got some credit in the interview for at least producing receipts and going for the hair follicle test which appears so accurate. It was said that this test is such good science in the future it might be included as part of the upfront drug testing if it’s fully approved. Not a single mention of such testing by Benn as it might well uncover long term PED use.
In relation to Canelo he said he was disappointed he only went for 1 year on the 365 day random testing, and suggested most boxers actually get away with two predictable tests per year if that. Which reading between the lines must be why it’s relatively easy to get away with doping in boxing as it lacks the random testing you often find in other mainstream sports. So that comment that all sports dope just like in boxing may not be strictly true.
Re: Conor Benn - What Next?
Posted: 24 Feb 2023, 01:15
by Controversial
In that interview about 12 minutes in who was Gabriel Montoya talking about when he said years ago he spoke to a very well known boxer who said boxing is a dirty sport and always has been? He didn’t name him but said everyone watching will know who it was.
Re: Conor Benn - What Next?
Posted: 24 Feb 2023, 02:32
by leejonesjnr
I’m sure a bit of investigating would reveal why but I’m just so lazy I’ll ask here instead…
Why is the WBC involved in Conor Benns cheating anyway?
Benn has only boxed for WBA belts hasn’t he?
CB v CEJ wasn’t for any title from any org?
Re: Conor Benn - What Next?
Posted: 24 Feb 2023, 02:37
by Controversial
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 02:32
I’m sure a bit of investigating would reveal why but I’m just so lazy I’ll ask here instead…
Why is the WBC involved in Conor Benns cheating anyway?
Benn has only boxed for WBA belts hasn’t he?
CB v CEJ wasn’t for any title from any org?
I guess he needed to be ranked by someone and the WBC gave him the all clear. Sulaiman done an interview with Bunce and said its protocol of the Clean Boxing Program that the WBC run that all fighters in their top 15 are signed up to. It all sounds odd, not sure if they just test him again or actually look into the failed tests but I came away not really understanding what they done to clear Benn to be in their rankings.
Re: Conor Benn - What Next?
Posted: 24 Feb 2023, 03:09
by polecateddy
Controversial wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 01:15
In that interview about 12 minutes in who was Gabriel Montoya talking about when he said years ago he spoke to a very well known boxer who said boxing is a dirty sport and always has been? He didn’t name him but said everyone watching will know who it was.
I thought he meant either Holyfield or Roy Jones. He was surprised because it felt like a very famous boxer was kind of saying of course I take steroids, because everyone does that in this sport.
Controversial wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 01:15
In that interview about 12 minutes in who was Gabriel Montoya talking about when he said years ago he spoke to a very well known boxer who said boxing is a dirty sport and always has been? He didn’t name him but said everyone watching will know who it was.
I thought he meant either Holyfield or Roy Jones. He was surprised because it felt like a very famous boxer was kind of saying of course I take steroids, because everyone does that in this sport.
Tommy Morrison admitted to doing it and said it was rife
Controversial wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 01:15
In that interview about 12 minutes in who was Gabriel Montoya talking about when he said years ago he spoke to a very well known boxer who said boxing is a dirty sport and always has been? He didn’t name him but said everyone watching will know who it was.
I thought he meant either Holyfield or Roy Jones. He was surprised because it felt like a very famous boxer was kind of saying of course I take steroids, because everyone does that in this sport.
Tommy Morrison admitted to doing it and said it was rife
I can only think that heavyweight boxers who are successful must be on performance enhancing drugs, or as a minimum have previously been on ‘cycles’ but have more or less come off, but retain the benefit of being enhanced above where they would have reached naturally. I think you have to be open-minded - here’s Ricky Hatton’s well known nutritionalist, Kerry Kayes admitting he took every steroid under the sun as a bodybuilder, but we have to take it at face value he never advised a boxer on how to take the stuff; https://boxing-social.com/features/the- ... in-boxing/
…although interestingly when Hatton switched to Mayweather as a trainer his previous team commented that Hatton had lost muscle mass.
I thought he meant either Holyfield or Roy Jones. He was surprised because it felt like a very famous boxer was kind of saying of course I take steroids, because everyone does that in this sport.
Tommy Morrison admitted to doing it and said it was rife
I can only think that heavyweight boxers who are successful must be on performance enhancing drugs, or as a minimum have previously been on ‘cycles’ but have more or less come off, but retain the benefit of being enhanced above where they would have reached naturally. I think you have to be open-minded - here’s Ricky Hatton’s well known nutritionalist, Kerry Kayes admitting he took every steroid under the sun as a bodybuilder, but we have to take it at face value he never advised a boxer on how to take the stuff; https://boxing-social.com/features/the- ... in-boxing/
…although interestingly when Hatton switched to Mayweather as a trainer his previous team commented that Hatton had lost muscle mass.
KK was a body builder, there’s no pretence from any competitive body builder that it’s a clean sport hence the ‘natural’ categories.
Controversial wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 01:15
In that interview about 12 minutes in who was Gabriel Montoya talking about when he said years ago he spoke to a very well known boxer who said boxing is a dirty sport and always has been? He didn’t name him but said everyone watching will know who it was.
I thought he meant either Holyfield or Roy Jones. He was surprised because it felt like a very famous boxer was kind of saying of course I take steroids, because everyone does that in this sport.
Tommy Morrison admitted to doing it and said it was rife
He also said that prayers and orange juice cured him of HIV…
I thought he meant either Holyfield or Roy Jones. He was surprised because it felt like a very famous boxer was kind of saying of course I take steroids, because everyone does that in this sport.
Tommy Morrison admitted to doing it and said it was rife
He also said that prayers and orange juice cured him of HIV…
I think in those days it was mainly just blatently injecting steroids, it's thought he got HIV through sharing needles.
Def seems a lot more hi tech these days
Re: Conor Benn - What Next?
Posted: 24 Feb 2023, 10:02
by handsofstone
Roids is perfectly acceptable, just don't do weed or coke, still can't believe Liam Cameron got 4 years for recreational, shouldn't even be banned out of competition, waste of testing money
wrighty wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 07:39
Tommy Morrison admitted to doing it and said it was rife
He also said that prayers and orange juice cured him of HIV…
I think in those days it was mainly just blatently injecting steroids, it's thought he got HIV through sharing needles.
Def seems a lot more hi tech these days
There is just so much more bodybuilding info everywhere now, YouTube etc. And the rise of the strength and conditioning coaches who are totally immersed in the details. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that they wondered how many failed tests had been effectively covered up over the years. Here I see the WBC name-checked again in this article. Suggestions that in 2016 Joshua’s urine contained traces of Clenbuterol, and then again in 2017, by-products of Nandrolone. I hadn’t heard any of that; https://www.anabolicshealth.com/anthony-joshua/
He also said that prayers and orange juice cured him of HIV…
I think in those days it was mainly just blatently injecting steroids, it's thought he got HIV through sharing needles.
Def seems a lot more hi tech these days
There is just so much more bodybuilding info everywhere now, YouTube etc. And the rise of the strength and conditioning coaches who are totally immersed in the details. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that they wondered how many failed tests had been effectively covered up over the years. Here I see the WBC name-checked again in this article. Suggestions that in 2016 Joshua’s urine contained traces of Clenbuterol, and then again in 2017, by-products of Nandrolone. I hadn’t heard any of that; https://www.anabolicshealth.com/anthony-joshua/
It's very possible that Joshua, and most other heavyweights, have used banned substances and they should be called out for it when it's proven but that article appears to have made up unheard rumours to push the narrative.
Really it is an awfully written blog post posing as an article. I'm not entirely sure that they know what evidence is and they've referenced rumours and reports which don't appear to exist. You can pick apart nearly every paragraph which just highlights how poorly written and researched it is.
People have speculated that Joshua’s rise to fame was too quick for him to be completely natural. For example, he went from zero professional fights in 2013 to becoming IBF heavyweight champion in 18 months.
He was an Olympic gold medalist who won the belt after 28 months against arguably the weakest champion in decades. Tyson did it in about 18 months, Spinks did it in 13 months while beating Ali in the process...
I think in those days it was mainly just blatently injecting steroids, it's thought he got HIV through sharing needles.
Def seems a lot more hi tech these days
There is just so much more bodybuilding info everywhere now, YouTube etc. And the rise of the strength and conditioning coaches who are totally immersed in the details. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that they wondered how many failed tests had been effectively covered up over the years. Here I see the WBC name-checked again in this article. Suggestions that in 2016 Joshua’s urine contained traces of Clenbuterol, and then again in 2017, by-products of Nandrolone. I hadn’t heard any of that; https://www.anabolicshealth.com/anthony-joshua/
It's very possible that Joshua, and most other heavyweights, have used banned substances and they should be called out for it when it's proven but that article appears to have made up unheard rumours to push the narrative.
Really it is an awfully written blog post posing as an article. I'm not entirely sure that they know what evidence is. You can pick apart nearly every paragraph which just highlights how poorly written and researched it is.
People have speculated that Joshua’s rise to fame was too quick for him to be completely natural. For example, he went from zero professional fights in 2013 to becoming IBF heavyweight champion in 18 months.
He was an Olympic gold medalist who won the belt after nearly 30 months against arguably the weakest champion in decades. Tyson did it in about 18 months, Holmes did it in 13 months while beating Ali in the process...
Yeah fair enough. Still Joshua with his love of bodybuilding, bulking up, slimming down recently. No way that guy ever passes a polygraph test. Still regardless of how badly written the article it does raise an interesting question of how involved the WBC and other bodies are in covering things up?
There is just so much more bodybuilding info everywhere now, YouTube etc. And the rise of the strength and conditioning coaches who are totally immersed in the details. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that they wondered how many failed tests had been effectively covered up over the years. Here I see the WBC name-checked again in this article. Suggestions that in 2016 Joshua’s urine contained traces of Clenbuterol, and then again in 2017, by-products of Nandrolone. I hadn’t heard any of that; https://www.anabolicshealth.com/anthony-joshua/
It's very possible that Joshua, and most other heavyweights, have used banned substances and they should be called out for it when it's proven but that article appears to have made up unheard rumours to push the narrative.
Really it is an awfully written blog post posing as an article. I'm not entirely sure that they know what evidence is. You can pick apart nearly every paragraph which just highlights how poorly written and researched it is.
People have speculated that Joshua’s rise to fame was too quick for him to be completely natural. For example, he went from zero professional fights in 2013 to becoming IBF heavyweight champion in 18 months.
He was an Olympic gold medalist who won the belt after nearly 30 months against arguably the weakest champion in decades. Tyson did it in about 18 months, Holmes did it in 13 months while beating Ali in the process...
Yeah fair enough. Still Joshua with his love of bodybuilding, bulking up, slimming down recently. No way that guy ever passes a polygraph test. Still regardless of how badly written the article it does raise an interesting question of how involved the WBC and other bodies are in covering things up?
I mean, arguably. It doesn't seem to quote a source/report/rumour for that either. I don't doubt they have been involved in under the table deals to ensure they get their sanctioning fees but I don't think the report has put forward any evidence that can be used to suggest that.
It's very possible that Joshua, and most other heavyweights, have used banned substances and they should be called out for it when it's proven but that article appears to have made up unheard rumours to push the narrative.
Really it is an awfully written blog post posing as an article. I'm not entirely sure that they know what evidence is. You can pick apart nearly every paragraph which just highlights how poorly written and researched it is.
He was an Olympic gold medalist who won the belt after nearly 30 months against arguably the weakest champion in decades. Tyson did it in about 18 months, Holmes did it in 13 months while beating Ali in the process...
Yeah fair enough. Still Joshua with his love of bodybuilding, bulking up, slimming down recently. No way that guy ever passes a polygraph test. Still regardless of how badly written the article it does raise an interesting question of how involved the WBC and other bodies are in covering things up?
I mean, arguably. It doesn't seem to quote a source/report/rumour for that either. I don't doubt they have been involved in under the table deals to ensure they get their sanctioning fees but I don't think the report has put forward any evidence that can be used to suggest that.
Are they not accepting bribes to help with rankings too? It doesn’t seem like very much of a stretch to have them cover up and smooth over test results?
I think in those days it was mainly just blatently injecting steroids, it's thought he got HIV through sharing needles.
Def seems a lot more hi tech these days
There is just so much more bodybuilding info everywhere now, YouTube etc. And the rise of the strength and conditioning coaches who are totally immersed in the details. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that they wondered how many failed tests had been effectively covered up over the years. Here I see the WBC name-checked again in this article. Suggestions that in 2016 Joshua’s urine contained traces of Clenbuterol, and then again in 2017, by-products of Nandrolone. I hadn’t heard any of that; https://www.anabolicshealth.com/anthony-joshua/
It's very possible that Joshua, and most other heavyweights, have used banned substances and they should be called out for it when it's proven but that article appears to have made up unheard rumours to push the narrative.
Really it is an awfully written blog post posing as an article. I'm not entirely sure that they know what evidence is and they've referenced rumours and reports which don't appear to exist. You can pick apart nearly every paragraph which just highlights how poorly written and researched it is.
People have speculated that Joshua’s rise to fame was too quick for him to be completely natural. For example, he went from zero professional fights in 2013 to becoming IBF heavyweight champion in 18 months.
He was an Olympic gold medalist who won the belt after 28 months against arguably the weakest champion in decades. Tyson did it in about 18 months, Holmes did it in 13 months while beating Ali in the process...
Holmes did not win it in 13 months. It took him 5 years. And it was a vacant title
Re: Conor Benn - What Next?
Posted: 24 Feb 2023, 14:38
by polecateddy
The fine line for Danny to tread - trying to be respectful enough to pass, while innerly seething that he's got to breathe the same oxygen as this utter charlatan;
Maybe , but is Benn going to be the next best thing ?
I don't really think so .
Is he really going to be promoted by Eddie Hearn to do an overseas fight? You’ve got to think that all parties involved would end up with a stink on them. Literally the whole knowledgable boxing community would be against them.
