Will you be subscribing to allegedly?

[gobbles]

Frank W was still able to put together impressive bills like Mitchell-Murray and its stacked undercard on standard Sky Sports without the extra BN subscription money. Going further back, he managed to put on a huge stadium fight like Bruno-McCall - with Nigel Benn on the undercard - on standard Sky Sports without the extra revenue from PPV. And of course going back further still the likes of Eubank-Benn were on terrestrial TV without the extra revenue from subscription channels.

I understand times and market forces change, but I do just think it's a mistake when people think the extra money they pay as consumers is what accounts for big fights being made. Again - there were big fights before BN. There were big fights before PPV. There were big fights before Sky Sports. Thus, it just seems unneccesary to me, and that is why I said we were doing just fine without BN until autumn 2011.

Fair enough Oliver - well argued [/quote]

How much would you guess Sky paid for boxing rights in the Bruno era compared to 2012? If Sky paid what it did then, or even close, BoxN would not exist. But Sky has squeezed boxing for years.

[leforge]

Frank W was still able to put together impressive bills like Mitchell-Murray and its stacked undercard on standard Sky Sports without the extra BN subscription money. Going further back, he managed to put on a huge stadium fight like Bruno-McCall - with Nigel Benn on the undercard - on standard Sky Sports without the extra revenue from PPV. And of course going back further still the likes of Eubank-Benn were on terrestrial TV without the extra revenue from subscription channels.

I understand times and market forces change, but I do just think it's a mistake when people think the extra money they pay as consumers is what accounts for big fights being made. Again - there were big fights before BN. There were big fights before PPV. There were big fights before Sky Sports. Thus, it just seems unneccesary to me, and that is why I said we were doing just fine without BN until autumn 2011.

Fair enough Oliver - well argued

How much would you guess Sky paid for boxing rights in the Bruno era compared to 2012? If Sky paid what it did then, or even close, BoxN would not exist. But Sky has squeezed boxing for years.[/quote]
In the early days of sky boxing got the viewers so they paid money now it does not! Even when Setanta were paying more for fights it still did not get the viewing figures. Have the general sports fan lost interest in the sport.

[gobbles]

Frank W was still able to put together impressive bills like Mitchell-Murray and its stacked undercard on standard Sky Sports without the extra BN subscription money. Going further back, he managed to put on a huge stadium fight like Bruno-McCall - with Nigel Benn on the undercard - on standard Sky Sports without the extra revenue from PPV. And of course going back further still the likes of Eubank-Benn were on terrestrial TV without the extra revenue from subscription channels.

I understand times and market forces change, but I do just think it's a mistake when people think the extra money they pay as consumers is what accounts for big fights being made. Again - there were big fights before BN. There were big fights before PPV. There were big fights before Sky Sports. Thus, it just seems unneccesary to me, and that is why I said we were doing just fine without BN until autumn 2011.

Fair enough Oliver - well argued

How much would you guess Sky paid for boxing rights in the Bruno era compared to 2012? If Sky paid what it did then, or even close, BoxN would not exist. But Sky has squeezed boxing for years.

In the early days of sky boxing got the viewers so they paid money now it does not! Even when Setanta were paying more for fights it still did not get the viewing figures. Have the general sports fan lost interest in the sport.

Setanta had their highest viewing figures for boxing.

[leforge]

How much would you guess Sky paid for boxing rights in the Bruno era compared to 2012? If Sky paid what it did then, or even close, BoxN would not exist. But Sky has squeezed boxing for years.

In the early days of sky boxing got the viewers so they paid money now it does not! Even when Setanta were paying more for fights it still did not get the viewing figures. Have the general sports fan lost interest in the sport.

Setanta had their highest viewing figures for boxing.

There other boxing figures were really poor I going to post them belew for you. If you think big numbers are going to subscribe for allegedly you are mis guided. A one off big fight on a general sports staion should do well. Only fights they get into top top 10 can be recorded.

Setanta

08/03/2008 Haye-Maccarinelli 136,000 (Setanta #1)
22/03/2008 Rees-Kotelnik 37,000 (Setanta #5)
14/06/2008 Brook-Jones 5,000 (Setanta #7)
15/11/2008 Haye-Barrett 172,000 (Setanta #2)
28/03/2008 Dodson-Quigley 21,000 (Setanta 2 #1)
19/04/2008 Calzaghe-Hopkins 243,000 (Setanta #4)
25/04/2008 Lindsay-Appleby 42,000 (Setanta #5)
26/07/2008 Cotto-Margarito 14,000 (Setanta #9)
21/02/2009 Cotto-Jennings 12,000 (Setanta 2 #2)
13/06/2009 Cotto-Clottey 10,000 (Setanta 2 #6)

Here some sky figures for 2010

3/02 Big Fight Live (Cleverly, Mitchell, Degale etc.) – 222,000 (SS1 #6) Frank ******
13/02 FNF Replay (Daws-Cook) Saturday 29,000 (SS2 #9) Matchroom
26/02 Prizefighter (Light Middles) – 147,000 (SS1 #6) Matchroom
09/04 Big Fight Live (Sprott-Harrison) – 274,000 (SS1 #8 ) Matchroom
12/04 Haye-Ruiz replay – 55,000 (SS2 #4) Hayemaker
30/04 Prizefighter (Cruiserweights) – 152,000 (SS2 #4) Matchroom
02/05 Mosley-Mayweather Replay – 99,000 (SS2 #7) Golden Boy
15/05 Mitchell-Katsidis – 272,000 (SS1 #8 ) Frank ******
16/05 Khan-Mallignagi Replay (second replay one earlier on ITV1) – 349,000 (ITV4 #2) Golden Boy
04/06 Hall-Napa - 90,000 (SS2 #5) Matchroom
11/06 McCloskey-Lauri - 112,000 (SS2 #1) Matchroom
25/06 Fury-McDermott II - 118,000 (SS2 #2) Frank Maloney
31/06 Prizefighter (Super Middleweights) - 112,000 (SS1 #7) Matchroom
02/07 McDonnell-Bracco - 66,000 (SS2 #3) Frank Maloney
09/07 Laws-Williams - 59,000 (SS2 #6) Matchroom
16/07 Hatton-Nuzhenko - 166,000 (SS1 #4) Hatton Promotions
23/07 Hall-Power - 89,000 (SS2 #7) Frank Maloney
04/09 Roman Martinez-Ricky Burns - 141,000 (SS1 #6) Replay 44,000 (SS2 #10) Frank ******
11/09 Wladimir Klitschko-Samuel Peter & Steve Molitor-Jason Booth - 202,000 (SS1 #6) Frank Maloney
24/09 Tony Bellew-Bob Ajisafe - 161,000 (SS1 #9) Frank ******
02/10 Levan Kirakosyan-Stephen Foster - 139,000 (SS1 #10) Hatton Promotions
23/10 Liam Walsh-Maxwell Awuku - 131,000 (SS1 # 8 ) Frank ******
24/10 Toshiaki Nishioka-Rendall Munroe Replay @ 18:30 - 44,000 (SS3 #6) Frank Maloney
20/11 Prizefighter (Super Featherweights) - 102,000 (SS1 #9) Matchroom

2011 sky figures

2/01/2011 Jamie McDonnell-Stephane Jamoye - 124,000 (SS1 #9) Frank Maloney
29/01/2011 Prizefighter - Light Heavyweights - 117,000 (SS1 #9) Matchroom
05/02/2011 Jason Booth-Jamie Arthur - Did not make Top 10 (10# SKY SPORTS NEWS AT SEVEN 92,000)
12/02/2011 Watson-Crolla - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE MILLENNIUM MAGIC SUPER LEAGUE 140,000)
19/02/2011 Gavin-Lomax - Did not make Top 10 (10# Gillette Soccer Special 134,000)
26/02/2011 Foster-Fegatilli - Did not make Top 10 (10# GILLETTE SOCCER SPECIAL 180,000)
05/03/2011 Gary Sykes-Carl Johanneson - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE SUPER LEAGUE 144,000)
12/03/2011 Ricky Burns-Joseph Laryea - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE SUPER LEAGUE 140,000)
19/03/2011 Liam Walsh-Jon Kays & Vitali Klitschko-Odliander Solis - 168,000 (SS1 #8 ) Frank ******/K2
23/03/2011 Prizefighter The Super Middleweights - Did not make Top 10 (10# Goals on Sunday 186,000)
26/03/2011 Denton Vassell-Bethuel Ushona - 56,000 (SS2 #7) Hatton Promotions
02/04/2011 John Murray-Karim El Ouazghari - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE SUPER LEAGUE 179,000)
09/04/2011 Stuart Hall-John Donnelly - 46,000 (SS3 #6) Frank Maloney
16/04/2011 Ringside - 61,000 (SS2 # 8 )
30/04/2011 Darren Barker-Domenico Spada - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE SUPER LEAGUE 155,000)
07/05/2011 International Prizefighters Heavyweights - 170,000 (SS1 #9)
08/05/2011 Manny Pacquiao-Shane Mosley Replay - 58,000 (SS2 #9)
13/05/2011 Sam Webb-Prince Arron - Did not make Top 10 (10# GOALS ON SUNDAY 168,000)
22/05/2011 Jean Pascal-Bernard Hopkins Delayed Coverage - 30,000 (SS4 # 8 ) Golden Boy/InterBox
28/05/2011 Jamie McDonnell-Nick Otieno - 83,000 (SS2 #9) Frank Maloney
04/06/2011 Gavin Rees-Andy Murray/Mikkel Kessler-Mehdi Bouadla/Carl Froch-Glen Johnson - 148,000 (SS1 #10) Matchroom
05/06/2011 Froch-Johnson replay - 57,000 (SS2 #9) and 41,000 (SS4 #5)
07/07/2011 Prizefighter The Welterweights - 111,000 (SS2 #4) Matchroom
11/06/2011 Price-Dallas - Did not make Top 10 (SS2 10# 87,000 LIVE UEFA EURO U21S-BELARUS V ICELAND)
11/06/2011 Price-Dallas replay - 38,000 (SS4 #6) Frank Maloney
18/06/2011 Murray-Blackwell - Did not make Top 10 (SS1 #10 - 152,000 LIVE ENG V SL TEST CRICKET)
19/06/2011 Alvarez-Rhodes - 50,000 (SS3 #6)
23/06/2011 Ringside - 48,000 (SS3 #4) Replay 20,000 (SS4 #7)
25/06/2011 Brook-N'Dou & Sturm-Macklin - 133,000 (SS2 #1) Matchroom
26/06/2011 Haye-Valuev - 30,000 (SS3 #9) & 18,000 (SS4 #9)
29/06/2011 Ringside - 52,000 (SS3 #4) 30/6/11 - 51,000 (SS2 #4) & 03/07/11 - 38,000 (SS2 #9)
01/07/2011 Ringside Klitschko-Haye Countdown - 107,000 (SS1 #9) & 16,000 (SS4 #9)
16/07/2011 Murray-Mitchell - 190,000 (SS1 #6) & 17/07/2011 Replay - 30,000 (SS4 #7)

05/09/2011 McDonnell-Hall - Did not make Top 10 - (SS1 #10 - 94,000 GOALS ON SUNDAY)
12/09/2011 McCloskey-Prescott & Klitschko-Adamek - 193,000 (SS2 #2)
15/09/2011 Prizefighter The Light Middleweights II - Did not make Top 10 (SS1 #10 - 89,000 GILLETTE SOCCER SPECIAL)
17/09/2011 Smith-Selby - Did not make Top 10 Live (SS1 #10 - 89,000 GILLETTE SOCCER SPECIAL) 19/09/2011 Replay - 27,000 (SS4 #10)
24/09/2011 Sykes-Buckland - 86,000 (SS2 #8 )
01/10/2011 Rees-Mathews - Did not make Top 10 Live (SS1 #10 - 115,000 THE SUNDAY SUPPLEMENT) 02/10/2011 Replays - 33,000 (SS3 #7) and 36,000 (SS4 #4)
08/10/2011 Brook-Jackiewicz - Did not make Top 10 (SS1 #10 - 147,000 LIVE WORLD GRAND PRIX DARTS)
12/10/2011 Prizefighter The Super Flyweights - 102,000 (SS1 #10)
22/10/2011 Booth-Quigg - Did not make Top 10 (SS1 10 # 88,000 LIVE EUROPEAN TOUR GOLF)
29/10/2011 Prizefighter The Featherweights - Did not make Top 10 Live (SS1 #10 - 144,000 LIVE FOUR NATIONS RUGBY LEAGUE) 30/10/2011 Replay - 37,000 (SS3 #8 )
12/11/2011 - Vassell-Colomban - 123,000 (SS2 #4)

[The 1bangkid]

no im gunna get it for free on my dream box

[dalcumly]

Well this it . We've enjoyed not paying extra for allegedly ,we've seen some great fights ,got to know more about Steve Bunce ,and he's not a bad chap ( but everytime he starts speaking I knock my coffee over and my hands start to shake-can anyone explain that ?) but its decision time .

I hope it does well because we all want to be able to see more boxing , but for me the wallets empty . Boxing News , Boxing Monthly , TV licence , SKY subscriptions , ESPN subscriptions I have to draw the line somewhere .
I was told recently that on average SKY SPORTS boxing programmes get between 70,000 and 100,000 viewers . I have no idea if this is true , but the guy who told me seemed to think so . Can allegedly get some of these viewers on a regular basis ? They will get some but not them all ,and I think they NEED them all .
I'm only one individual but I will never again , on a point of principle , pay for PPV , so I'm not going to shell out ANOTHER £10 a month for ANY boxing coverage , unless SKY SPORTS throw in the towel as far as boxing goes .
So , can SKY SPORTS confirm to us they are going to last the course ?

[leforge]

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... &start=400

Boxing figures on page 9 of thread. I don't think it will get the same number of viewers as sky due to that figure including casual boxing fans who will not pay a £10 a month.

[NazNaci1]

It's simple: because boxing was effectively taken away from the general public twenty years ago, most of those under thirty have had very little exposure to the sport and, as a result, ain't interested

And now this channel will take the sport even further away. I have said before that I happy to able to watch a lot more boxing but this is really really bad for the long term future of the sport and IMO is a bad move.

I have always been a fan of Bunce but surely IMO even he can see (when not wearing his paymasters hat) that this channel is a huge blow for the sport as this country's biggest promoter fights will only be seen by a hand full of fans

Both BIG MARK and Macho have summed up perfectly what I feel about this sorry episode. It's not about 'hating' on Warren, its what he has knowingly done to the sport, (though admittedly he is not the only one, there are others), without giving a s*** about it. All in the name of making money. Boxing and money have always been interlinked, but along with that was forsight, to keep it going in order to keep the money coming in. This type of move reeks of desperation, of squeezing every last penny out of the sport before bailing.

Watching the sport go from an 'Event', with millions and millions of viewers to a few hundred thousand and now to even less than that, does not fill me with optimism.

PS Did anyone hear Buncey, last night. telling people not to harass him in a week or two about subscriptions and to 'get it sorted now'. Don't blame him for that, to be honest. Also heard him mention ESB boards and their scoring on last nights cards, we had scoring on the fights too. Didn't get a look in Not that bothered, genuinely but impartiality and a 'fair crack of the whip' seems to have gone out the window.

Are the subs not at the levels they were expecting? Or was it just a bit of a plug to get things going. Found it interesting, nonetheless.

[smoggy7188]

I was thinking about paying if it was available on the internet but from what I here that might take a while. Also I was only going to pay on a month by month basis to avoid the shitter weeks which is bound to happen but apparently you need a minimum of 6month sign up. The channel has been pretty good so far but I aint a fan of Allegedly gettin his fighters to vacate titles just so he can save shows, Bellew with the light heavyweight title and now Groves supposedly giving up his Commonwealth super-middleweight title.

[leforge]

I was thinking about paying if it was available on the internet but from what I here that might take a while. Also I was only going to pay on a month by month basis to avoid the shitter weeks which is bound to happen but apparently you need a minimum of 6month sign up. The channel has been pretty good so far but I aint a fan of Allegedly gettin his fighters to vacate titles just so he can save shows, Bellew with the light heavyweight title and now Groves supposedly giving up his Commonwealth super-middleweight title.

Who going to fight for Groves title? Rocky Fielding is it?

[gobbles]

I was thinking about paying if it was available on the internet but from what I here that might take a while. Also I was only going to pay on a month by month basis to avoid the shitter weeks which is bound to happen but apparently you need a minimum of 6month sign up. The channel has been pretty good so far but I aint a fan of Allegedly gettin his fighters to vacate titles just so he can save shows, Bellew with the light heavyweight title and now Groves supposedly giving up his Commonwealth super-middleweight title.

That's not exactly anything new. Jamie Moore and a host of fighters gave up titles to save Sky shows.

For me, I get to watch a lot of boxing that I wouldn't have otherwise seen, like last night. It means more shows happening in Britain, boxers being more active and having more chance of building press interest or support. It will be interesting also if allegedly get some kind of terrestrial TV tie-up, maybe some kind of weekly magazine show like KOTV, to build the profile.

As for the guy saying he has ESPN and draw the line - well, you don't get ESPN for boxing. Their refusal to show boxing has been very sad.

[bad mamma jamma]

apart from a few fights on dec 3, december is a washout with shit bills like the degale one. i am not paying a tenner to watch him beat Miasisalwais Ondicanvus from Vilnius. there are other ways to watch the fights on dec 3. and the 6 month tie in - smacks of not being confident that their product will keep subscribers happy.

[danfoster]

Frank W was still able to put together impressive bills like Mitchell-Murray and its stacked undercard on standard Sky Sports without the extra BN subscription money. Going further back, he managed to put on a huge stadium fight like Bruno-McCall - with Nigel Benn on the undercard - on standard Sky Sports without the extra revenue from PPV. And of course going back further still the likes of Eubank-Benn were on terrestrial TV without the extra revenue from subscription channels.

I understand times and market forces change, but I do just think it's a mistake when people think the extra money they pay as consumers is what accounts for big fights being made. Again - there were big fights before BN. There were big fights before PPV. There were big fights before Sky Sports. Thus, it just seems unneccesary to me, and that is why I said we were doing just fine without BN until autumn 2011.

Fair enough Oliver - well argued

How much would you guess Sky paid for boxing rights in the Bruno era compared to 2012? If Sky paid what it did then, or even close, BoxN would not exist. But Sky has squeezed boxing for years.[/quote]

There are many factors that have contributed to the current state of boxing. Dreadful, over-protective match-making leading to awful mismatc fights was the biggest factor of all, in my humble opinion. I don't think Sky were to blame for this; and perhaps if they hadn't been rubbish then they'd have remained a bit freer with their chequebook.

[danfoster]

I was thinking about paying if it was available on the internet but from what I here that might take a while. Also I was only going to pay on a month by month basis to avoid the shitter weeks which is bound to happen but apparently you need a minimum of 6month sign up. The channel has been pretty good so far but I aint a fan of Allegedly gettin his fighters to vacate titles just so he can save shows, Bellew with the light heavyweight title and now Groves supposedly giving up his Commonwealth super-middleweight title.

That's not exactly anything new. Jamie Moore and a host of fighters gave up titles to save Sky shows.

For me, I get to watch a lot of boxing that I wouldn't have otherwise seen, like last night. It means more shows happening in Britain, boxers being more active and having more chance of building press interest or support. It will be interesting also if Allegedly channel get some kind of terrestrial TV tie-up, maybe some kind of weekly magazine show like KOTV, to build the profile.

As for the guy saying he has ESPN and draw the line - well, you don't get ESPN for boxing. Their refusal to show boxing has been very sad.

I agree that anything that keeps fighters busy and increases the number of fights on tv MUST be a good thing. I hope it works but i am dubious for reasons that i wont go into again.

[iamasadlittleboy]

apart from a few fights on dec 3, december is a washout with shit bills like the degale one. i am not paying a tenner to watch him beat Miasisalwais Ondicanvus from Vilnius. there are other ways to watch the fights on dec 3. and the 6 month tie in - smacks of not being confident that their product will keep subscribers happy.

Lets not pretend November has been great either, only 1 show in the entire month has actually stood out. They need to realise they aren't going to get subscribers if they are only showing 1 or 2 good cards ...and are picking up cards from the US at 2AM, only hardcore fans will bother staying up. They need to do all they can to make deals with promoters in Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland and even Turkey (Oner) to get primetime shows. I saw that Premier had Aydin v Jo Jo Dan and that was the perfect sort of show to pick up to fill the schedule and likely to be relatively cheap.

It'd be great if they got stuff from Japan or Australia as well and then they won't have Lillis saying things like "We never see those Japanese fighters like Nishioka until they come over and school Marquez" as we'll get to see them on UK TV (rather than streaming).

[leforge]

Only 14,000 people watched Cotto v Margarito first fight on Setanta. I wonder how many will watch this weekend.

[leforge]

http://secure.allegedly.tv/allegedly/Subscribe.do For Sky have to use paywizard!

[leforge]

A Message from B O X Nation

So we want to make this promise to you -
We are going to show you more live boxing than anyone else. (And better boxing)
We are going to give you more access to boxing exclusives than anyone else.
We are going to go deeper behind the scenes into the boxing world than anyone else.
And we're going to do all of this for better value than what you've had to pay for before.

What do you make of it??

Where the schedule gone?

[oliverfennell]

I seem to remember there's some sort of ban on Boxing News articles but hopefully this one will be allowed as it has a bit of actual concrete insight to things, rather than speculation from the punters and silence from the company:

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08/detail.asp?id=2665

[leforge]

I seem to remember there's some sort of ban on Boxing News articles but hopefully this one will be allowed as it has a bit of actual concrete insight to things, rather than speculation from the punters and silence from the company:

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08/detail.asp?id=2665

Sky customers have to subcribe for 6 months through paywizard!

[dondada]

I seem to remember there's some sort of ban on Boxing News articles but hopefully this one will be allowed as it has a bit of actual concrete insight to things, rather than speculation from the punters and silence from the company:

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08/detail.asp?id=2665

Nah, they aren't banned Oliver...they're allowed two links a week to their own stuff, same as others...

Interesting piece.

[leforge]

I seem to remember there's some sort of ban on Boxing News articles but hopefully this one will be allowed as it has a bit of actual concrete insight to things, rather than speculation from the punters and silence from the company:

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08/detail.asp?id=2665

Nah, they aren't banned Oliver...they're allowed two links a week to their own stuff, same as others...

Interesting piece.

Do you realise that only 14000 watched the first Cotto V Margarito on Setanta!

[earsjohn]

Anyone got any idea how the 6 months for the price of 5 for Sky customers works? Do I get December free? Or maybe May 2012? It's not very clear.

I have, however, signed up. So long as you've got all of your details in front of you, it's pretty straight forward, but I can see a number of people being put off by having to set up a Paywizard account (in effect another Paypal type of service).

Ts and Cs state a minimum 6 month contract after which it automatically becomes a monthly rolling contract (which is a lot better than an automatic 6 month contract).

[leforge]

Anyone got any idea how the 6 months for the price of 5 for Sky customers works? Do I get December free? Or maybe May 2012? It's not very clear.

I have, however, signed up. So long as you've got all of your details in front of you, it's pretty straight forward, but I can see a number of people being put off by having to set up a Paywizard account (in effect another Paypal type of service).

Ts and Cs state a minimum 6 month contract after which it automatically becomes a monthly rolling contract (which is a lot better than an automatic 6 month contract).

So your having to commit to 6 months without knowing the schedule. Lucklily its month by month from word go on Virgin. Don't see how this is going to get the numbers required to make it work.

[earsjohn]

Anyone got any idea how the 6 months for the price of 5 for Sky customers works? Do I get December free? Or maybe May 2012? It's not very clear.

I have, however, signed up. So long as you've got all of your details in front of you, it's pretty straight forward, but I can see a number of people being put off by having to set up a Paywizard account (in effect another Paypal type of service).

Ts and Cs state a minimum 6 month contract after which it automatically becomes a monthly rolling contract (which is a lot better than an automatic 6 month contract).

So your having to commit to 6 months without knowing the schedule. Lucklily its month by month from word go on Virgin. Don't see how this is going to get the numbers required to make it work.

If it starts falling apart after Jan / Feb, I'll just cancel my payment and let them chase me for their £10. If I'm in that position (ie that I want to cancel), allegedly will have more pressing concerns than recouping my £10!