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apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 14:57 Golovkin terminated his contract with Universum in January 2010 and stated the following in an interview: "The reason for this decision is that I've always been placed behind Felix Sturm and Sebastian Zbik by Universum. Our demands to fight against Felix Sturm or Sebastian Zbik have been always rejected on absurd grounds. Universum had no real plan or concept for me, they did not even try to bring my career forward. They would rather try to prevent me from winning a title as long as Sturm and Zbik are champions. Further more, bouts against well-known and interesting opponents were held out in prospect, but nothing happened. This situation was not acceptable. It was time to move forward." from wiki

Actually Loeffler did a very good job to promote GGG. Fighting 2 times and possible for a 3rd time the cash cow of boxing ain't "lack of quality".

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:06

apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 14:57 Golovkin terminated his contract with Universum in January 2010 and stated the following in an interview: "The reason for this decision is that I've always been placed behind Felix Sturm and Sebastian Zbik by Universum. Our demands to fight against Felix Sturm or Sebastian Zbik have been always rejected on absurd grounds. Universum had no real plan or concept for me, they did not even try to bring my career forward. They would rather try to prevent me from winning a title as long as Sturm and Zbik are champions. Further more, bouts against well-known and interesting opponents were held out in prospect, but nothing happened. This situation was not acceptable. It was time to move forward." from wiki

Actually Loeffler did a very good job to promote GGG. Fighting 2 times and possible for a 3rd time the cash cow of boxing ain't "lack of quality".

Are you saying that K2 has handled GGG’s career marvellously, because Universum did such a bad job of it?

Is that the foundation for your entire argument, really?

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:13

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:06

apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 14:57 Golovkin terminated his contract with Universum in January 2010 and stated the following in an interview: "The reason for this decision is that I've always been placed behind Felix Sturm and Sebastian Zbik by Universum. Our demands to fight against Felix Sturm or Sebastian Zbik have been always rejected on absurd grounds. Universum had no real plan or concept for me, they did not even try to bring my career forward. They would rather try to prevent me from winning a title as long as Sturm and Zbik are champions. Further more, bouts against well-known and interesting opponents were held out in prospect, but nothing happened. This situation was not acceptable. It was time to move forward." from wiki

Actually Loeffler did a very good job to promote GGG. Fighting 2 times and possible for a 3rd time the cash cow of boxing ain't "lack of quality".

Are you saying that K2 has handled GGG’s career marvellously, because Universum did such a bad job of it?

Is that the foundation for your entire argument, really?

At this point, just come out and say you are flat out bias. You've been destroyed multiple times on this, and you still don't want to admit it. Then you point out the most biased resume account and think it's legit.

I can't tell if you're dumb or seriously dumb.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 20:45 Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 14:59 EO/Fergus just blabbering on this thread utterly bs

Imo Loefller did for GGG the best job it could be done in terms of promoting.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:47

apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 14:59 EO/Fergus just blabbering on this thread utterly bs

Imo Loefller did for GGG the best job it could be done in terms of promoting.

TBF, it could have been better. But he’s done well. 2 mega PPV fights. Canelo needed GGG to get over 1m buys just as much.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 20:45 Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 20:45 Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 20:45 Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

Why exactly do you think explicit details of behind-the-scenes business negotiations would be in the public domain?

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:25

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10
Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

Why exactly do you think explicit details of behind-the-scenes business negotiations would be in the public domain?

Only two people give a shite about this at this point. But we'll sacrifice an entire thread for it.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:25

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:24

Why exactly do you think explicit details of behind-the-scenes business negotiations would be in the public domain?

Only two people give a shite about this at this point. But we'll sacrifice an entire thread for it.

This thread was ruined about 11 pages ago

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

Why exactly do you think explicit details of behind-the-scenes business negotiations would be in the public domain?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 20:45 Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 20:45 Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Yup, pretty much they didn't want to get whooped for lesser money.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:49

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

In those articles, purses weren’t even mentioned. Fighters were saying no to GGG full stop, before any money was discussed. Also GGG was mandatory to Sturm, purse bids would have been ordered no? They knew it was high risk and low reward.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:49

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

In those articles, purses weren’t even mentioned. Fighters were saying no to GGG full stop, before any money was discussed. Also GGG was mandatory to Sturm, purse bids would have been ordered no? They knew it was high risk and low reward.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:00

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:49

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10
Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

In those articles, purses weren’t even mentioned. Fighters were saying no to GGG full stop, before any money was discussed. Also GGG was mandatory to Sturm, purse bids would have been ordered no? They knew it was high risk and low reward.

Ultimately though, no one can actually prove that Tom Loeffler even attempted to make fights against the majority of GGG’s big name peers by submitting financial offers?

I really don’t know why people are even pretending that what I’ve written is untrue, since no one can prove otherwise.

If GGG’s career would have been handled by the likes of Al Haymon, Eddie Hearn, Oscar De La Hoya or Bob Arum, do you not feel that Gennady would have engaged in many more marquee bouts?

Is such a notion so unreasonable to consider?

What has Tom Loeffler achieved to be defended by GGG’s fans so passionately?

ewenhay wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:08

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:00

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:49

In those articles, purses weren’t even mentioned. Fighters were saying no to GGG full stop, before any money was discussed. Also GGG was mandatory to Sturm, purse bids would have been ordered no? They knew it was high risk and low reward.

Ultimately though, no one can actually prove that Tom Loeffler even attempted to make fights against the majority of GGG’s big name peers by submitting financial offers?

I really don’t know why people are even pretending that what I’ve written is untrue, since no one can prove otherwise.

If GGG’s career would have been handled by the likes of Al Haymon, Eddie Hearn, Oscar De La Hoya or Bob Arum, do you not feel that Gennady would have engaged in many more marquee bouts?

Is such a notion so unreasonable to consider?

What has Tom Loeffler achieved to be defended by GGG’s fans so passionately?

This is futile.

They can't prove he made an offer and you can't prove he didn't.

This isn't a court of law, you're not Perry Mason and negotiations between boxing managers and promoters aren't matters of public record

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:51

apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:45

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Yup, pretty much they didn't want to get whooped for lesser money.

Best part is.. In the end, GGG has made more money then them all put together..

ewenhay wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:08
This is futile.

They can't prove he made an offer and you can't prove he didn't.

This isn't a court of law, you're not Perry Mason and negotiations between boxing managers and promoters aren't matters of public record

jamamb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:36 these bruhs need to go play video games or something, i recommend skyrim, if thats too 2011 for you then they just released another red dead redemption

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:45

jamamb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:36 these bruhs need to go play video games or something, i recommend skyrim, if thats too 2011 for you then they just released another red dead redemption

Red Dead Redemption 2 is pretty good!