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maverick23 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 11:06

mickey1975 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 09:32

handsofstone wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 06:55

Hearn is a liar but it's not up for debate that Wilder and Fury both turned down offers to fight Joshua, it's fact, are you in denial about that ?? Wilder admitted it and we don't have to go into details about how Fury shat the bed, Wilder turned it down and has admitted it, there's no grey area here, why use John Fury as an example of a liar when you've got Tyson right there??

Didn't he turn one down with proof of funds? Look at his matchmaking. It is horrendous. Only two good fighters out there in his prime and he fought neither.

Usyk not a good a fighter?

maverick23 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 11:06

mickey1975 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 09:32

handsofstone wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 06:55

Hearn is a liar but it's not up for debate that Wilder and Fury both turned down offers to fight Joshua, it's fact, are you in denial about that ?? Wilder admitted it and we don't have to go into details about how Fury shat the bed, Wilder turned it down and has admitted it, there's no grey area here, why use John Fury as an example of a liar when you've got Tyson right there??

Didn't he turn one down with proof of funds? Look at his matchmaking. It is horrendous. Only two good fighters out there in his prime and he fought neither.

Usyk not a good a fighter?

Ricky wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 06:41

veriton wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 06:29

Ricky wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 06:14 Just watched the highlights. Joshua really has done well to have the career he's had - because let's be honest, he's not very good at boxing. His footwork is awful, his stance is so wide, everything bar his hands is so slow. He's no natural ability to ride or slip punches, he ate loads of right hands that seemed so obvious where they were coming from, if Franklin could bang he'd have had AJ out of there.

Joshua would be best just sticking to bowling over no-hopers to keep his UnderArmour & Lynx deals on the table for now, then hang them up.

In years to come he'll be fondly remembered as the guy who asked the Saudi Arabians for 3 hiphip hoorays but then giving them 5 hiphip hoorays.

Should you even be on a boxing forum posting crap like this? I never see football fans saying World Cup winners don't know how to kick a ball.

I'm not AJs biggest fan but please keep it in perspective and, as Ron Mac would say, do not divest your opinion from reality!

Maybe you would if there were 4 different World Cups and to win one of them you only had to beat Charles Martin

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 04:47 Went to this fight, first live show I've been to since Fury v Parker.

One thing I noticed with AJ he didn't go to the body a lot. I was expecting a different AJ but nothing really changed. His fighting life is coming to an end maybe 2 fights left.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 05:52

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 04:47 Went to this fight, first live show I've been to since Fury v Parker.

One thing I noticed with AJ he didn't go to the body a lot. I was expecting a different AJ but nothing really changed. His fighting life is coming to an end maybe 2 fights left.

I agree, the fire has gone out - he's become too gunshy now to really go for it, he's like Wlad was after his beatings, except that Wlad was a much better boxer, and was still able to bash people up, even being extremely cautious.

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 14:59

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 05:52

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 04:47 Went to this fight, first live show I've been to since Fury v Parker.

One thing I noticed with AJ he didn't go to the body a lot. I was expecting a different AJ but nothing really changed. His fighting life is coming to an end maybe 2 fights left.

I agree, the fire has gone out - he's become too gunshy now to really go for it, he's like Wlad was after his beatings, except that Wlad was a much better boxer, and was still able to bash people up, even being extremely cautious.

The beating he got from Ruiz has ruined him. Every time he fights anyone I think that's all he sees in front of him, Ruiz.

If Fury had any sense he would be offering him a shot at the WBC I think AJ would take an offer of 80/20!

Ricky wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 06:14 Just watched the highlights. Joshua really has done well to have the career he's had - because let's be honest, he's not very good at boxing. His footwork is awful, his stance is so wide, everything bar his hands is so slow. He's no natural ability to ride or slip punches, he ate loads of right hands that seemed so obvious where they were coming from, if Franklin could bang he'd have had AJ out of there.

Joshua would be best just sticking to bowling over no-hopers to keep his UnderArmour & Lynx deals on the table for now, then hang them up.

In years to come he'll be fondly remembered as the guy who asked the Saudi Arabians for 3 hiphip hoorays but then giving them 5 hiphip hoorays.

si7dog7 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 15:20

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 14:59

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 05:52

I agree, the fire has gone out - he's become too gunshy now to really go for it, he's like Wlad was after his beatings, except that Wlad was a much better boxer, and was still able to bash people up, even being extremely cautious.

The beating he got from Ruiz has ruined him. Every time he fights anyone I think that's all he sees in front of him, Ruiz.

If Fury had any sense he would be offering him a shot at the WBC I think AJ would take an offer of 80/20!

Fury ain’t taking that fight
Vis a vis Usyk

Smoke and mirrors

Sorry to shatter that illusion.

Fury climbed the mountain v Wlad. Disappeared.
Beat Wilder 2.5 times. (Not a great boxer and forget the best puncher in the world fugazi). Than the rabbit in the headlights Dillion.

He won’t fight Usyk or AJ. Too much risk

The dossers!!!!!

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 15:32

Ricky wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 06:14 Just watched the highlights. Joshua really has done well to have the career he's had - because let's be honest, he's not very good at boxing. His footwork is awful, his stance is so wide, everything bar his hands is so slow. He's no natural ability to ride or slip punches, he ate loads of right hands that seemed so obvious where they were coming from, if Franklin could bang he'd have had AJ out of there.

Joshua would be best just sticking to bowling over no-hopers to keep his UnderArmour & Lynx deals on the table for now, then hang them up.

In years to come he'll be fondly remembered as the guy who asked the Saudi Arabians for 3 hiphip hoorays but then giving them 5 hiphip hoorays.

It must be tough for the likes of Bruno to watch this set of heavyweights. Bruno would have put a jab on Joshua/Whyte etc and got them out of there. He'd struggle with the toughness of Joyce but I'd have him beating Dubois by KO too. He doesn't get enough respect for me. Joshua is not on his level at all but the majority of fight fans would have Joshua above him.

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 16:50

si7dog7 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 15:20

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 14:59

The beating he got from Ruiz has ruined him. Every time he fights anyone I think that's all he sees in front of him, Ruiz.

If Fury had any sense he would be offering him a shot at the WBC I think AJ would take an offer of 80/20!

Fury ain’t taking that fight
Vis a vis Usyk

Smoke and mirrors

Sorry to shatter that illusion.

Fury climbed the mountain v Wlad. Disappeared.
Beat Wilder 2.5 times. (Not a great boxer and forget the best puncher in the world fugazi). Than the rabbit in the headlights Dillion.

He won’t fight Usyk or AJ. Too much risk

The dossers!!!!!

Once apon a time I would agree with you. Fury beats AJ not so sure about Usyk though. In all honesty Fury doesn't want to fight anyone. 20 years ago Fury would never have become world champion.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 01:24

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 16:50

si7dog7 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 15:20

Fury ain’t taking that fight
Vis a vis Usyk

Smoke and mirrors

Sorry to shatter that illusion.

Fury climbed the mountain v Wlad. Disappeared.
Beat Wilder 2.5 times. (Not a great boxer and forget the best puncher in the world fugazi). Than the rabbit in the headlights Dillion.

He won’t fight Usyk or AJ. Too much risk

The dossers!!!!!

Once apon a time I would agree with you. Fury beats AJ not so sure about Usyk though. In all honesty Fury doesn't want to fight anyone. 20 years ago Fury would never have become world champion.

So John Ruiz would have beaten him, too? I understand people being down on him at the moment but this is just stupid. He’s scared of his own shadow according to everyone on here. You all sound mental.

tonyevs wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:21 We have had this discussion - nobody is saying Fury is scared; .. just saying he won`t take risks fighting against the better heavyweights in his division. There is proof to this .. Aj and Usyk in the last 6mths.

Nobody has said Fury is scared of his own shadow once - so bit mental saying everyone here is saying it ... Mick, I think you dug a similar hole previously saying people said he was `petrified hundreds of times`

tonyevs wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:21 We have had this discussion - nobody is saying Fury is scared; .. just saying he won`t take risks fighting against the better heavyweights in his division. There is proof to this .. Aj and Usyk in the last 6mths.

Nobody has said Fury is scared of his own shadow once - so bit mental saying everyone here is saying it ... Mick, I think you dug a similar hole previously saying people said he was `petrified hundreds of times`

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:54

tonyevs wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:21 We have had this discussion - nobody is saying Fury is scared; .. just saying he won`t take risks fighting against the better heavyweights in his division. There is proof to this .. Aj and Usyk in the last 6mths.

Nobody has said Fury is scared of his own shadow once - so bit mental saying everyone here is saying it ... Mick, I think you dug a similar hole previously saying people said he was `petrified hundreds of times`

I haven't dug any hole. So you think John Ruiz beats Fury?

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 15:32

Ricky wrote: ↑03 Apr 2023, 06:14 Just watched the highlights. Joshua really has done well to have the career he's had - because let's be honest, he's not very good at boxing. His footwork is awful, his stance is so wide, everything bar his hands is so slow. He's no natural ability to ride or slip punches, he ate loads of right hands that seemed so obvious where they were coming from, if Franklin could bang he'd have had AJ out of there.

Joshua would be best just sticking to bowling over no-hopers to keep his UnderArmour & Lynx deals on the table for now, then hang them up.

In years to come he'll be fondly remembered as the guy who asked the Saudi Arabians for 3 hiphip hoorays but then giving them 5 hiphip hoorays.

It must be tough for the likes of Bruno to watch this set of heavyweights. Bruno would have put a jab on Joshua/Whyte etc and got them out of there. He'd struggle with the toughness of Joyce but I'd have him beating Dubois by KO too. He doesn't get enough respect for me. Joshua is not on his level at all but the majority of fight fans would have Joshua above him.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 05:25

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:54

tonyevs wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:21 We have had this discussion - nobody is saying Fury is scared; .. just saying he won`t take risks fighting against the better heavyweights in his division. There is proof to this .. Aj and Usyk in the last 6mths.

Nobody has said Fury is scared of his own shadow once - so bit mental saying everyone here is saying it ... Mick, I think you dug a similar hole previously saying people said he was `petrified hundreds of times`

I haven't dug any hole. So you think John Ruiz beats Fury?

Don't you mean Andy Ruiz?

I personally don't think Andy Ruiz beats him, he may have some moments however.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 05:37

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 05:25

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:54
I haven't dug any hole. So you think John Ruiz beats Fury?

Don't you mean Andy Ruiz?

I personally don't think Andy Ruiz beats him, he may have some moments however.

He was replying to MasterG, he said Fury wouldn't have won a world title 20 years ago.

The same time John Ruiz was champion.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 01:24

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 16:50

si7dog7 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 15:20

Fury ain’t taking that fight
Vis a vis Usyk

Smoke and mirrors

Sorry to shatter that illusion.

Fury climbed the mountain v Wlad. Disappeared.
Beat Wilder 2.5 times. (Not a great boxer and forget the best puncher in the world fugazi). Than the rabbit in the headlights Dillion.

He won’t fight Usyk or AJ. Too much risk

The dossers!!!!!

Once apon a time I would agree with you. Fury beats AJ not so sure about Usyk though. In all honesty Fury doesn't want to fight anyone. 20 years ago Fury would never have become world champion.

So John Ruiz would have beaten him, too? I understand people being down on him at the moment but this is just stupid. He’s scared of his own shadow according to everyone on here. You all sound mental.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 05:37

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 05:25

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:54
I haven't dug any hole. So you think John Ruiz beats Fury?

Don't you mean Andy Ruiz?

I personally don't think Andy Ruiz beats him, he may have some moments however.

He was replying to MasterG, he said Fury wouldn't have won a world title 20 years ago.

The same time John Ruiz was champion.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:57

tonyevs wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:21 We have had this discussion - nobody is saying Fury is scared; .. just saying he won`t take risks fighting against the better heavyweights in his division. There is proof to this .. Aj and Usyk in the last 6mths.

Nobody has said Fury is scared of his own shadow once - so bit mental saying everyone here is saying it ... Mick, I think you dug a similar hole previously saying people said he was `petrified hundreds of times`

AJ is top 5. He faced clearly the number one in Wlad and at least the no 2 at the time in Wilder in their home countries. But won't face better Heavies? Please name those better than Wlad at the time. Or Wilder for that matter.

tonyevs wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 10:45

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:57

tonyevs wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 04:21 We have had this discussion - nobody is saying Fury is scared; .. just saying he won`t take risks fighting against the better heavyweights in his division. There is proof to this .. Aj and Usyk in the last 6mths.

Nobody has said Fury is scared of his own shadow once - so bit mental saying everyone here is saying it ... Mick, I think you dug a similar hole previously saying people said he was `petrified hundreds of times`

AJ is top 5. He faced clearly the number one in Wlad and at least the no 2 at the time in Wilder in their home countries. But won't face better Heavies? Please name those better than Wlad at the time. Or Wilder for that matter.

I don't feel Andy Ruiz would beat Fury .. I think it's an easy night for Fury. A hesitant AJ outboxed him quite easily so nothing to suggest Fury would struggle.

Wlad and the first Wilder fight was a few years ago now .. we talking about the 2023 Fury not wanting to face the top guys in the division; that said .. he didn't rematch Wlad did he

Fury could have forgotten ght both AJ and Usyk within the last 6 MTHS .. but negotiated himself out of it with both; we know this is true.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 01:24

MasterG wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 16:50

si7dog7 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 15:20

Fury ain’t taking that fight
Vis a vis Usyk

Smoke and mirrors

Sorry to shatter that illusion.

Fury climbed the mountain v Wlad. Disappeared.
Beat Wilder 2.5 times. (Not a great boxer and forget the best puncher in the world fugazi). Than the rabbit in the headlights Dillion.

He won’t fight Usyk or AJ. Too much risk

The dossers!!!!!

Once apon a time I would agree with you. Fury beats AJ not so sure about Usyk though. In all honesty Fury doesn't want to fight anyone. 20 years ago Fury would never have become world champion.

So John Ruiz would have beaten him, too? I understand people being down on him at the moment but this is just stupid. He’s scared of his own shadow according to everyone on here. You all sound mental.